Doubling up on Ill/Cold


DSorrow

 

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I know someone recently posted a thread about this, but I have different build goals so I figured I might as well start a fresh one. First, this is for a planned alt- I don't have any real experience (beyond level 20) playing Illusion, but I've played Cold almost-to-50 on a Defender.

All that being said, My goals were pretty straightforward for this build- Priority #1 was Perma PA and Perma Heat Loss... Both of which I was able to achieve with the help of t4 Spiritual Alpha.

Personal survivability was taken into account; PA is a great aggro soaker, but I still wanted to weave some defense and good resists (at least to s/l) into the build as a fail-safe. I didn't place any particular emphasis on any type/position for defense, but honestly I don't think it should be necessary. I've managed ~20% across the board with 63% s/l resistance. At least if attackers manage to hit me, they won't be hitting for too much in most cases.

This is just a theoretical alt as of now, so I didn't want to plan exorbitantly budget wise. This build is something that I can pay for all in one shot and not miss the money, so try to keep that in mind when giving feedback; I have no interest in spending more than loose change on this potential character.

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Seems like I did an alright job, then... Preemptive budget constraints considered?


 

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There are a few things about the build I'd change.

First of all, I'd shift the focus from Res to Def. Controllers have such low HP and damage recovery (Illu/Cold ones anyway), that they want to avoid being hit rather than being consistently hit for low damage. With PA out there won't be many attacks directed at you, so it's better to make those few attacks miss, IMO.

Then to your power picks and slotting:

  • Infrigidate: I wouldn't bother slotting it much. On my Illu/Cold I have a single Lyso HO in there because I pretty much never use it. I get all the slow I need out of Sleet, Ice Storm and Heat Loss.
  • I'd also change your ancillary to Ice Mastery because you didn't pick Indomitable Will, which I think is the only reason to pick Psy Mastery in the first place. Ice Blast and Ice Storm boost your damage considerably and Ice Armor helps you get to the S/L soft cap.
  • Sleet doesn't really need accuracy slotting. Sure, it's nice to have the procs fire on the initial tick, but you'll have their Defense Debuffed so that it'll hit on the second round. Having Sleet's effect perma (Rech < 30s if it isn't bugged anymore) makes accuracy slotting only profitable for the very first cast.
  • Combat Jumping: I'd swap this for Maneuvers. More Defense for you and your team. Endurance should never be a problem with perma HL.
  • Benumb: It really wants accuracy. It's also a good idea to make it recharge in ~27 seconds to have the effect perma. This is pretty much your most powerful tool against hard targets (heavy -DMG and -regen, with -special) so you want it up all the time meaning it has to be perma and it has to hit.

I don't know how you're planning to play your Illu/Cold, but I have never felt the need for Aid Self. Then again, I went for S/L/Ranged soft cap along with perma PA, so the few hits that get directed at me (something along the lines of 0-3 every 60 seconds) usually miss so that my low regen is able to take care of that. If my regen can't handle it, there are always Respites which I need very rarely so I don't feel like devoting two power choices for that.


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I look at the slotting and things stand out, compare the slotting on group invis and combat jump to your ally shields, its like putting toilet paper in the laundry basket and clothes down the toilet.


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Originally Posted by New Dawn View Post
I look at the slotting and things stand out, compare the slotting on group invis and combat jump to your ally shields, its like putting toilet paper in the laundry basket and clothes down the toilet.
I disagree. My Illu/Cold build has the ally shields slotted in the exact same way while things like Maneuvers and Weave have maxed out Def slotting. The slotting choices are all part of the plan for the character which I think here is to be able to do pretty much anything solo while being helpful to a team/league when needed. At least that's what my Illu/Cold is all about. So yeah, things that help me get priority over stuff that helps teammates. Selfish? Maybe, but people still want my Illu/Cold in teams for some reason.


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Originally Posted by DSorrow View Post
First of all, I'd shift the focus from Res to Def. Controllers have such low HP and damage recovery (Illu/Cold ones anyway), that they want to avoid being hit rather than being consistently hit for low damage. With PA out there won't be many attacks directed at you, so it's better to make those few attacks miss, IMO.
First thanks for your input, and second I'll have to disagree with this part. I think resistance is going to be something I'll get more mileage out of, especially with perma PA on top of some defense, my thinking is that I really will not get hit often, but when I do I will take reduced damage.

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  • Infrigidate: I wouldn't bother slotting it much. On my Illu/Cold I have a single Lyso HO in there because I pretty much never use it. I get all the slow I need out of Sleet, Ice Storm and Heat Loss.
I believe I have it slotted more conservatively on my Cold defender, but I was scrambling for places to pick up extra recharge- Heat Loss and PA are already relying on spiritual core paragon to stay perma. Heat Loss only misses perma by .19s pulling the slow set though, so I can do without it.
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  • I'd also change your ancillary to Ice Mastery because you didn't pick Indomitable Will, which I think is the only reason to pick Psy Mastery in the first place. Ice Blast and Ice Storm boost your damage considerably and Ice Armor helps you get to the S/L soft cap.
Agree to disagree on the defense vs. resistance focus- I had indomitable will in an earlier draft, but ended up absently shifting things around and couldn't find the room for it; I'll actually probably go with fire mastery instead.
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  • Sleet doesn't really need accuracy slotting. Sure, it's nice to have the procs fire on the initial tick, but you'll have their Defense Debuffed so that it'll hit on the second round. Having Sleet's effect perma (Rech < 30s if it isn't bugged anymore) makes accuracy slotting only profitable for the very first cast.
Hm, that's interesting. I don't feel I overslotted for accuracy by any stretch though, the value only being at 33% I suppose it wouldn't hurt to switch the Nucleo for a damage IO... I'm showing a ~16.7 recharge with a 30 second duration on my build.
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  • Combat Jumping: I'd swap this for Maneuvers. More Defense for you and your team. Endurance should never be a problem with perma HL.
That's a good call.

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Benumb: It really wants accuracy. It's also a good idea to make it recharge in ~27 seconds to have the effect perma. This is pretty much your most powerful tool against hard targets (heavy -DMG and -regen, with -special) so you want it up all the time meaning it has to be perma and it has to hit.
Again, good call. I reappropriated the slots from Infrigidate for this.
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I don't know how you're planning to play your Illu/Cold, but I have never felt the need for Aid Self. Then again, I went for S/L/Ranged soft cap along with perma PA, so the few hits that get directed at me (something along the lines of 0-3 every 60 seconds) usually miss so that my low regen is able to take care of that. If my regen can't handle it, there are always Respites which I need very rarely so I don't feel like devoting two power choices for that.
Yea, like you already pointed out it's a failsafe for if and when I do get hit- Even if it won't be for much in most cases, I still feel I'll get use out of aid self.

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Originally Posted by New Dawn View Post
I look at the slotting and things stand out, compare the slotting on group invis and combat jump to your ally shields, its like putting toilet paper in the laundry basket and clothes down the toilet.

My defender slotted up the cold shields but as being a buff bot will not be a primary function I didn't feel the need to devote slots to them on an Illusion build.


 

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You would get a lot more responses if you posted the build itself instead of just the Data Chunk. By posting the Data Chunk alone, you force anyone who wants to help to load up Mids . . . and some people review the forums at work (no Mids) or on a Mac (Can't run Mids unless they have a Windows virtual machine). And some people just won't bother. But they might bother if they saw something in your build that they feel needs to be commented upon.


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You would get a lot more responses if you posted the build itself instead of just the Data Chunk. By posting the Data Chunk alone, you force anyone who wants to help to load up Mids . . . and some people review the forums at work (no Mids) or on a Mac (Can't run Mids unless they have a Windows virtual machine). And some people just won't bother. But they might bother if they saw something in your build that they feel needs to be commented upon.

I like to think I have a good enough idea of what I'm doing that a quick glance-over wouldn't be the best means of acquiring worthwhile feedback. DSorrow was more than helpful already- Thanks for your concern though.


 

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I like to think I have a good enough idea of what I'm doing that a quick glance-over wouldn't be the best means of acquiring worthwhile feedback. DSorrow was more than helpful already- Thanks for your concern though.
Your response there comes across a bit snooty when I was making a friendly suggestion. Your failure to post the build might be why nobody responded for six days when you first posted it. I made that suggestion because I often skip over commenting on builds when the poster doesn't post the build. I want to see whether it is worth my time without having to pull up Mids first. With all the time I have spent looking at builds, I can usually see pretty quickly if there is room for improvement. If I see something that needs comments, then I may go ahead and pull up the build in Mids.

A few others around here know something about Ill/Cold and might have different suggestions. I'm pretty familiar with Illusion, as I have Ill/Rad, Ill/Cold, Ill/TA and Ill/Storm all at 50 . . . and could probably suggest some improvements. However, if you don't want to bother posting the build, I won't bother spending my time to help.


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Sorry if that was the impression you got- I've already posted a datalink. I certainly don't want you to feel any obligation to offer your opinion, and that's not to say that it wouldn't be welcome. I just don't feel the need to post a readout for reasons I already mentioned, sorry if that somehow offends or upsets you.