Good choices for your character. And welcome to stalking, I hope you stick around and enjoy the ride! A lot of people will recommend ninjitsu over SR for two reasons:
#1 it has toys and a self heal.
#2 only stalkers can play it so might as well give it a shot.
Electric melee is one of the best stalker sets so can't really improve on that choice. =)
My advice is don't worry about hide. Learn to use it, but don't depend on it. Don't run away to get it back, don't stand and wait for it to kick in. Stalkers have a lot of tools, hide is one and it is great, but it is not the be-all-end-all of stalking. Please, don't be a run and hide stalker.
when teamed, you do more crits if you are near your buddies. So keep 'em close. Your assassin strike is a key power. With build up you can 1-shot lieutenants, and matched with your other hard hitting powers you can drop bosses before buildup wears off or at least make them really hurt. Plus, it makes nearby enemies afraid for a decent chunk of time to protect you.
Learn to use placate. Don't often placate the person you're hitting. Placate somoene else. That person will stop attacking until you attack them. But you'll also go back into hide for an auto crit. Use that to help kill your real target faster while the one you placated is not hurting you at all.
When you hit high level, we get snipes in some of the patron sets. Please don't take them unless you are confident you understand how bad they suck as an attack and know what you are doing by taking it. There's almost always a better choice (and 9 times out of 10 that better choice is fireball anyway hehe).
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I'm familiar with the popularity of /Nin, but that's the set I used on both my prior attempts at a Stalker and I just want to avoid repeating my past problems. However, assuming this Stalker goes well I wouldn't be opposed to another /Nin sometime down the road. |
Originally Posted by GavinRuneblade
Good choices for your character. And welcome to stalking, I hope you stick around and enjoy the ride! A lot of people will recommend ninjitsu over SR for two reasons:
#1 it has toys and a self heal. #2 only stalkers can play it so might as well give it a shot. |
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| My advice is don't worry about hide. Learn to use it, but don't depend on it. Don't run away to get it back, don't stand and wait for it to kick in. Stalkers have a lot of tools, hide is one and it is great, but it is not the be-all-end-all of stalking. Please, don't be a run and hide stalker. |
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| when teamed, you do more crits if you are near your buddies. So keep 'em close. Your assassin strike is a key power. With build up you can 1-shot lieutenants, and matched with your other hard hitting powers you can drop bosses before buildup wears off or at least make them really hurt. Plus, it makes nearby enemies afraid for a decent chunk of time to protect you. |
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| Learn to use placate. Don't often placate the person you're hitting. Placate somoene else. That person will stop attacking until you attack them. But you'll also go back into hide for an auto crit. Use that to help kill your real target faster while the one you placated is not hurting you at all. |
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When you hit high level, we get snipes in some of the patron sets. Please don't take them unless you are confident you understand how bad they suck as an attack and know what you are doing by taking it. There's almost always a better choice (and 9 times out of 10 that better choice is fireball anyway hehe). I'm too braindead to think of anything better. |
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[QUOTE=AllYourBase;3908094]Ok. Stay and scrap. [quote]
Not quite. We're not exactly scrappers. Melee, but use your tricks. Scrapping it out is trading blows until one or the other dies. Stalking is cheating every chance you get.
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Get demonic or the hero equivalent (demonic is vastly easier). The trick is as always, cheat. As an example, my dark/dark going against a pack of 4 (2 lieuts adn 2 minions is pretty common). Buildup + AS on one lieut, now it is 3:1. Placate lieut #2 = 2:1. Smite with autocrit from hide takes him to 50%, he and his buddy attack, one hits. Shadow mail drops minion #1 and misses #2 (always my luck). 1:1 and I get hit again. Smite-brawl-smite polish off minion 2 and lieut #2 is back aggressive. I'm still at 75% health and it's still 1:1. I have a while before build up or placate are back online, but I keep another trick in my back pocket: air superiority. Air sup and he flips. smight while he's down. Air sup and I flip him again. Keep him juggling until dead. Tops he gets in two attacks before he dies.| I've just hit level 22 and slotted SOs in my powers. Defense is sitting around 30% while Hide is suppressed, but I'm finding that if there is more than three or four enemies, then i usually fall or have to run before I can kill them all. It is definitely better now, with SOs, and I anticipate it getting better as I get more attacks and slots. And Lightning Rod. Of course, inspirations help but they don't drop fast enough taking out single targets. |
A scrapper would run up and hit buildup and an aoe wounding all 4. they attack, two hit. hardest melee drops lieut #1. they attack again 1 hits. another melee drops a minion, two more attacks 1 more hit. aoe recharged drops minion #2 wounds lieut #2 who probably misses. Another attack or two kill him.
Cheat. You're a stalker. You're good at it. We're like single target melee doms. We cheat. That's why I love stalkers.
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| How many levels above me can I still one-shot lieutenants? I can take down a +1 lieut, I know that much. |
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| How about Waterspout? Does its pseudo-pet nature avoid breaking Hide? Is it a decent attack in its own right? |
none of those attacks but the AS break hide and you get back hidden by the end of lightning rod.
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Thank you everyone at Paragon and on Virtue. When the lights go out in November, you'll find me on Razor Bunny.
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MORE than three or four? That's a bit more than a level 22 Stalker should be attempting at once. Not impossible, but it sure won't be easy. The main reason is Assassin Strike. An Elec/SR Scrapper would instead have Thunderstrike already for extra AoE and knockdown/stun. That, more than the 60ish extra hit points the Scrapper has, would enable him to handle slightly larger groups than the equivalent Stalker. As a Stalker at this level, focus on smaller groups. You may be able to kick it up to +1 and take advantage of being able to take the LT out of the fight almost before it begins.|
Originally Posted by AllYourBase
Ok. Stay and scrap. I've just hit level 22 and slotted SOs in my powers. Defense is sitting around 30% while Hide is suppressed, but I'm finding that if there is more than three or four enemies, then i usually fall or have to run before I can kill them all.
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Stalkers have always been slower starters than Scrappers owing to the fact they usually take Assassin Strike and Placate where the Scrapper gets more normal attacks and typically skips the taunt. Some combos are a bit easier to start thanks to better damage mitigation from the primary. Dark Melee and Katana are very scrappy, even at low levels.
If you're intent on attacking larger groups at this level, I'd suggest a secondary build that skips Assassin Strike and takes all the normal attacks plus Aid Other / Self (or maybe Air Superiority... something that would add some damage mitigation ability).
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My advice.....do the minimum of the mission requirements and make sure you take recall friend fairly early if you want to be a team player......reasons are simple....you hide...you can run to the end of the mission area kill the boss and his minions alot faster then most everyone else....and on a team....being able to teleport everyone else....to the end or out of dangerous areas.....is a big plus..(also helps if you get the day jobs of proffesor and doctor so you can get the rez power...that makes you become wanted alot...when you can save people along with the rest of your arsenal)|
Originally Posted by AllYourBase
Hi there. So I am slowly overcoming my alt-itis by working toward a 50 of each AT, and it's time for a Stalker. Thing is, I have never gotten one to SO levels before so I'm not sure of the tricks of the trade. I know Stalkers are more Scrapper-y now, but what tricks should I be aware of? What pitfalls should I try to avoid?
I rolled up an Elec/SR Stalker mostly because they're sets I know to be decent to great yet have never really given much time to. Also, I like the idea of easily softcapping on a low-HP character. Thanks in advance, AYB |
You want to level fast....you can surpass any phoney scrapper anyday by just doing more missions.....eventualy you will get to a point where you have alot more merits and missions you have done....that you can slot your self fairly well....and then you can pick and choose your targets...selecting bosses and ignoring minions mostly.....
Thats my advice....
And when you team and can do things fast...trust me...everyone you normaly play with will start trying to mimic you alot.....they wont do as well....but people will start asking for you specificaly....because you will be the Stalker..the one that can bypass pretty much everything and save the team when no one else can.
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Solid advice. So is Zem's. I'll add that If you have the nemesis staff with it's longer than normal range, you'll find that stalkers make great pullers because placate can turn back one enemy if they have only aggro'd on you.
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Originally Posted by PsychicKitty
And when you team and can do things fast...trust me...everyone you normaly play with will start trying to mimic you alot.....they wont do as well....but people will start asking for you specificaly....because you will be the Stalker..the one that can bypass pretty much everything and save the team when no one else can.
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"Hmm, I guess I'm not as omniscient as I thought" -Gavin Runeblade.
I can be found, outside of paragon city here.
Thank you everyone at Paragon and on Virtue. When the lights go out in November, you'll find me on Razor Bunny.
Hi there. So I am slowly overcoming my alt-itis by working toward a 50 of each AT, and it's time for a Stalker. Thing is, I have never gotten one to SO levels before so I'm not sure of the tricks of the trade. I know Stalkers are more Scrapper-y now, but what tricks should I be aware of? What pitfalls should I try to avoid?
I rolled up an Elec/SR Stalker mostly because they're sets I know to be decent to great yet have never really given much time to. Also, I like the idea of easily softcapping on a low-HP character.
Thanks in advance,
AYB
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