First, Welcome back!
Your datalink is not working. That happens a lot when you go back to edit your post. As a result, I generally try to post the Data Chunk so that even if the link doesn't work, other can still get the build fed into Mid's. As a result, I can't load in the build unless I pull up Mid's and re-choose all the powers.
Because of the above, I can't see your bonus numbers. From what I see, it is a pretty nice build, and I can see why you chose the enhancements and powers you chose. I think Freezing Rain is underslotted . . . I have recently tried slotting FR (and Cold's Sleet) with 2 Rech, Achilles Heel Proc, Lady Grey proc, Posi Blast proc, Impeaded Swiftness proc. Freezing Rain alone kills stuff. I'm quite happy with the amount of damage I get from those 4 procs. But that would mean pulling slots from somewhere else.
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Guide Links: Earth/Rad Guide, Illusion/Rad Guide, Electric Control
There we go, the build has been re-posted and the link should work as well as the data link.
Good to see you again Local Man - I really missed CoX and looking forward to playing regular again as the rest of the games out there just seem to be missing something that i apparently can only find here.
Tam
The build is actually pretty good. Nice job.
My general feedback:
- Endurance is going to be murder until you get some incarnate abilities. You want to get a Alpha Cardiac as soon as possible. You probably also want Ageless Destiny.
- No Arctic Air. There are a lot of discussions about this on the boards and a number of conflicting opinions, but for what its worth, in my opinion this power is the main reason to play an Ice Controller. With Storm specifically it can be a bit dicier because of Hurricane pushing stuff out of AAs radius. However, very few teams will tolerate a Storm character who runs Hurricane 24/7. The endurance cost can be an issue, but you also shouldn't be throwing too many Tornadoes when you are teaming either.
- The 3% Defense PVP IO is the most expensive IO in the game, regularly selling for about 2.5 billion influence. That is a little more than twice as much as the most expensive build I have ever completed. It may be a suitable long term target if this is your main, favorite character or you already have it. However, even if you do have it, it may be worth simply selling it (I recommend using the market forums rather than the in game Auction House because it sells for more than the AH influence cap). You could outfit several characters for the cost of that one slot.
- I tend to avoid the Ice APP for Ice Control in favor of Psi. The main reason is Indomitable Will, which provides mezz protection and significant Psi defense. Its tough to perma but has good coverage while it is up. Psi is the main damage type that tends to bypass traditional defense. This decision is ultimately up to you. The other path to mezz protection is via the Clarion Destiny incarnate tree. I tend to favor that option less on builds with high recharge because I feel Clarion leaves me with some awkward situations (e.g. moments when you really need the mezz protection for yourself but the rest of the team is too far away to hit with it). Characters less dependent on avoiding mezzes have a little more flexibility there, IMO. Getting detoggled when you really need AA or Hurricane can be deadly.
- I am not sure about having both capped Ranged and capped S/L defenses. I think it could be effective in some contexts, but I also feel like many standard S/L attacks are avoidable anyway, and much of what isn't is deflected by Ranged. The main issue really is AoEs. I wonder if you wouldn't be more survivable with average-ish S/L Defense, a S/L Resistance armor instead, capped Ranged, and using Hurricane to floor the ToHit any melee attackers. No matter what your defenses are you will eventually get tagged, so capping to multiple damage types isn't always the best method if it means having very low Resistance.
I'll echo Tex's sentiments about AA. To me, it's the defining power of the Ice set. Without AA, I would at least consider Shiver because Snow Storm alone won't floor anyone's recharge. When you face enemies that con 3 or 4 levels higher, you'll really start feeling the lack of a second reliable source of -recharge.
I'll disagree, however, with Tex's advice on APPs. Considering the level of defense you've acquired mezzes should rarely get through. You'll still have to take care around certain enemies, particularly Carnies and Rikti. I would be tempted to recommend Earth for the self-heal, but it seems you've gone with the Ice APP for both utility and theme.
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Originally Posted by Oedipus_Tex
The build is actually pretty good. Nice job.
My general feedback: - Endurance is going to be murder until you get some incarnate abilities. You want to get a Alpha Cardiac as soon as possible. You probably also want Ageless Destiny. I agree with this statement but honestly I have yet to explore the new incarnate abilities so I can't honestly do more than take your word on it. - No Arctic Air. There are a lot of discussions about this on the boards and a number of conflicting opinions, but for what its worth, in my opinion this power is the main reason to play an Ice Controller. With Storm specifically it can be a bit dicier because of Hurricane pushing stuff out of AAs radius. However, very few teams will tolerate a Storm character who runs Hurricane 24/7. The endurance cost can be an issue, but you also shouldn't be throwing too many Tornadoes when you are teaming either. This is good advice. Along with Ketch's assessment that if I'm going to use a -recharge ability that doesn't floor a +3/4's recharge I need a secondary -recharge ability like Shiver. It always felt like you were sacrificing too much just to make AA work to it's fullest. Not saying that I wont use it but I believe I will need to re-evaluate my build and see if it can be worked in, as my playstyle will have to change to use it correctly and find a way to deal with the end usage. In response to the Hurricane, (and not to sound defensive...but it kinda does) I would like to think of myself as not an average player so I use Hurricane as a tool to position mobs in my teams AOE. I've yet to have a team ever give me grief of my use of Hurricane Tornadoes are a serious pain in teams but man do I love to use it solo. - The 3% Defense PVP IO is the most expensive IO in the game, regularly selling for about 2.5 billion influence. That is a little more than twice as much as the most expensive build I have ever completed. It may be a suitable long term target if this is your main, favorite character or you already have it. However, even if you do have it, it may be worth simply selling it (I recommend using the market forums rather than the in game Auction House because it sells for more than the AH influence cap). You could outfit several characters for the cost of that one slot. Once a long long time ago we used to 8 on 8 farm pvp io's - I have a large number of these already sitting in storage so I figured I'd put one in there. Good to know they are expensive now I might see if there is any interest on my server since it sells above the market cap. Good info! - I tend to avoid the Ice APP for Ice Control in favor of Psi. It's thematic to a point but it was simply an APP I was familiar with and the armor and hibernate are excellent abilities not to mention Ice storm hits like a truck. - I am not sure about having both capped Ranged and capped S/L defenses. I think it could be effective in some contexts, but I also feel like many standard S/L attacks are avoidable anyway, and much of what isn't is deflected by Ranged. I just noticed that I was contradicting myself by saying that I like to stay out of melee range but than I cap my S/L. This is excellent advice and I will be making some changes based off of this for sure. . |
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Originally Posted by ketch
I'll echo Tex's sentiments about AA. To me, it's the defining power of the Ice set. Without AA, I would at least consider Shiver because Snow Storm alone won't floor anyone's recharge. When you face enemies that con 3 or 4 levels higher, you'll really start feeling the lack of a second reliable source of -recharge.
I am torn now. There is no sense getting Snow Storm without getting either Shiver or AA unless I am going to never con above +1 which isn't likely... I'll disagree, however, with Tex's advice on APPs. Considering the level of defense you've acquired mezzes should rarely get through. You'll still have to take care around certain enemies, particularly Carnies and Rikti. I would be tempted to recommend Earth for the self-heal, but it seems you've gone with the Ice APP for both utility and theme. I appreciate the insight as that was my assessment as well and I do avoid carnies like the plague. As I have a feeling by the time this is over I will be making some significant changes to the build, I will explore the Earth APP and see if it fits. |
Tam
I completely missed that the build was lacking Arctic Air and Shiver. I agree that Arctic Air is a defining power of an Ice Controller, and it should be 6 slotted for EndRdx and Confuse. Once you hit level 50, the Contagious Confusion proc almost seems to double the effectiveness of the power.
However, AA requires a melee playstyle. If you want to stay at range, then Shiver is a good alternative. But one or the other should be taken. There are a lot of other powers I would skip before one of the AoE Slow powers. Leveling up, my Ice/Storm used AA and Snow Storm. Once we got inherent Stamina, I also added Shiver . . . now I use all three to slow everything in range to a crawl.
My Ice/Storm is not built for Defense. He is more designed to provide team support by letting the Tank and other melee guys grab aggro, and then run in to reduce damage and control. I'm pretty happy with that playstyle. You don't have to have a mega-mega defense/resistance/tankmage build. I have tried both the Earth and Ice APPs on him. I used Ice until the Incarnate stuff came along, and now that I have Cardiac in my Alpha Slot, I am trying Earth for the great heal and better melee attacks. With my playstyle, I don't need Indomidible Will . . . I get mezzed once in a while, but it is pretty rare and I can usually deal with it with a break free. If I ever get there, I'll probably take Clarion for the Destiny Slot.
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Guide Links: Earth/Rad Guide, Illusion/Rad Guide, Electric Control
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Note that now that you can e-mail enhancements and recipes, there's no particular reason to include the phrase "on my server" in the above -- you can pull the IO off a character on one server and e-mail it to, well, anyone who can use e-mail (probably not Free players, but I haven't investigated that). Post the item in the market forum and let bidders from everywhere make offers.
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Originally Posted by Local_Man
I completely missed that the build was lacking Arctic Air and Shiver. I agree that Arctic Air is a defining power of an Ice Controller, and it should be 6 slotted for EndRdx and Confuse. Once you hit level 50, the Contagious Confusion proc almost seems to double the effectiveness of the power.
However, AA requires a melee playstyle. If you want to stay at range, then Shiver is a good alternative. But one or the other should be taken. There are a lot of other powers I would skip before one of the AoE Slow powers. Leveling up, my Ice/Storm used AA and Snow Storm. Once we got inherent Stamina, I also added Shiver . . . now I use all three to slow everything in range to a crawl. My Ice/Storm is not built for Defense. He is more designed to provide team support by letting the Tank and other melee guys grab aggro, and then run in to reduce damage and control. I'm pretty happy with that playstyle. You don't have to have a mega-mega defense/resistance/tankmage build. I have tried both the Earth and Ice APPs on him. I used Ice until the Incarnate stuff came along, and now that I have Cardiac in my Alpha Slot, I am trying Earth for the great heal and better melee attacks. With my playstyle, I don't need Indomidible Will . . . I get mezzed once in a while, but it is pretty rare and I can usually deal with it with a break free. If I ever get there, I'll probably take Clarion for the Destiny Slot. |
I'm still at work so I'll build it up tonight. You steered me in the right direction once before on my elec/rad Praet and I still love to play that character.
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Note that now that you can e-mail enhancements and recipes, there's no particular reason to include the phrase "on my server" in the above -- you can pull the IO off a character on one server and e-mail it to, well, anyone who can use e-mail (probably not Free players, but I haven't investigated that). Post the item in the market forum and let bidders from everywhere make offers.
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If it's helpful, here is a recent build I did for someone else that uses the Psi APP like I was describing. I actually didn't put either Shiver or Snow Storm in there. This is partly made up for because the Psi APP has -Recharge as well, so Psinado will tend to top off the -Recharge of a lot of enemies. I am really just not a fan of Shiver in general to be honest... especially the fact that it only lasts 18 seconds. It has always struck me as a big animation time investment for fairly little payoff, although I sometimes take it when there are leftover power slots and I can kind of see why someone people like it.
This build absolutely needs endurance support in the form of Cardiacs and is also greatly helped by picking up Ageless Destiny. However, it has 60% S/L Resistance, capped Psi defense and Ranged, and is more or less immune to being mezzed most of the time.
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Level 50 Magic Controller
Primary Power Set: Ice Control
Secondary Power Set: Storm Summoning
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fighting
Ancillary Pool: Psionic Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Block of Ice -- BasGaze-Acc/Hold(A), BasGaze-Rchg/Hold(3), BasGaze-EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(3), BasGaze-Acc/Rchg(5), Dmg-I(5), HO:Perox(13)
Level 1: Gale -- Acc-I(A)
Level 2: Frostbite -- GravAnch-Immob/Rchg(A), GravAnch-Hold%(15), GravAnch-Acc/Immob/Rchg(43), GravAnch-Immob/EndRdx(43), GravAnch-Acc/Rchg(46)
Level 4: Chilblain -- Thundr-Acc/Dmg(A), Thundr-Dmg/Rchg(17), Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx(19)
Level 6: Arctic Air -- CoPers-Conf(A), CoPers-Conf/EndRdx(7), CoPers-Conf%(7), CoPers-Conf/Rchg(9), CoPers-Acc/Conf/Rchg(9), CoPers-Acc/Rchg(11)
Level 8: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(11), RechRdx-I(13)
Level 10: Steamy Mist -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(15), RedFtn-Def(19), RedFtn-Def/Rchg(23), RedFtn-EndRdx/Rchg(25), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(25)
Level 12: Ice Slick -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 14: Super Speed -- Zephyr-ResKB(A), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx(50)
Level 16: Freezing Rain -- RechRdx-I(A), Achilles-ResDeb%(17)
Level 18: O2 Boost -- Numna-Heal/EndRdx(A), Numna-Heal(29), Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(29), Numna-EndRdx/Rchg(31), Numna-Heal/Rchg(31), Numna-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(31)
Level 20: Hurricane -- DarkWD-ToHitDeb(A), DarkWD-ToHitDeb/EndRdx(21), DarkWD-ToHitdeb/Rchg/EndRdx(21), DarkWD-ToHitDeb/Rchg(23)
Level 22: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 24: Boxing -- Acc-I(A)
Level 26: Glacier -- Lock-Acc/Hold(A), Lock-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(27), Lock-%Hold(27), Lock-Acc/Rchg(34), Lock-Rchg/Hold(36), Lock-EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(36)
Level 28: Tough -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(A)
Level 30: Weave -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), RedFtn-Def/Rchg(37), RedFtn-EndRdx/Rchg(37), RedFtn-Def(37), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(40), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(43)
Level 32: Jack Frost -- ExRmnt-Acc/Rchg(A), ExRmnt-EndRdx/Dmg/Rchg(33), ExRmnt-+Res(Pets)(33), ExRmnt-Acc/Dmg(33), ExRmnt-Dmg/EndRdx(34), ExRmnt-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(34)
Level 35: Mental Blast -- Thundr-Acc/Dmg(A), Thundr-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(36), Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(39), Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx(39), Thundr-Dmg/Rchg(40), Thundr-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(40)
Level 38: Indomitable Will -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), RechRdx-I(39), RechRdx-I(42), RechRdx-I(42)
Level 41: Lightning Storm -- Thundr-Acc/Dmg(A), Thundr-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(42), Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx(45), Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(45), Thundr-Dmg/Rchg(46), Thundr-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(46)
Level 44: Psionic Tornado -- Posi-Acc/Dmg(A), Posi-Dmg/EndRdx(45), Posi-Dmg/Rchg(48), Posi-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(48), Posi-Dam%(50)
Level 47: Tornado -- Dmg-I(A), Dmg-I(48)
Level 49: Mind Over Body -- ResDam-I(A)
Level 50: Cardiac Core Paragon
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Containment
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Health -- Mrcl-Rcvry+(A)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- EndMod-I(A), EndMod-I(50)
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OK So I've tried to take all of your advice collectively and have come up with this.
It's close.
I honestly had no idea what to do with shiver so I just dropped a Hami micro in there(and I don't even know if it affects it or not)
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Level 50 Magic Controller
Primary Power Set: Ice Control
Secondary Power Set: Storm Summoning
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fighting
Ancillary Pool: Stone Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Chilblain -- Thundr-Acc/Dmg(A), Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx(3), Thundr-Dmg/Rchg(3)
Level 1: Gale -- Acc-I(A)
Level 2: Block of Ice -- BasGaze-Acc/Hold(A), BasGaze-Rchg/Hold(5), BasGaze-EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(5), BasGaze-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(7), BasGaze-Acc/Rchg(7)
Level 4: Super Speed -- Zephyr-ResKB(A)
Level 6: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 8: Kick -- Acc-I(A)
Level 10: Frostbite -- Enf'dOp-Immob/Rng(A), Enf'dOp-EndRdx/Immob(13), Enf'dOp-Acc/Immob/Rchg(13), Enf'dOp-Acc/Immob(15), Enf'dOp-Acc/EndRdx(48)
Level 12: Snow Storm -- HO:Micro(A)
Level 14: Tough -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), GA-3defTpProc(15)
Level 16: Arctic Air -- CoPers-Conf(A), CoPers-Conf/Rchg(17), CoPers-Acc/Conf/Rchg(17), CoPers-Acc/Rchg(19), CoPers-Conf/EndRdx(19), CoPers-Conf%(21)
Level 18: Steamy Mist -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(46)
Level 20: Weave -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(21), RedFtn-Def/Rchg(23), RedFtn-EndRdx(23), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(25), RedFtn-Def(25)
Level 22: Shiver -- HO:Micro(A)
Level 24: Freezing Rain -- Posi-Dam%(A), LdyGrey-%Dam(27), Achilles-ResDeb%(27), ImpSwft-Dam%(29), RechRdx-I(29), RechRdx-I(31)
Level 26: Ice Slick -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 28: Hurricane -- DarkWD-ToHitDeb(A), DarkWD-ToHitDeb/Rchg(31), DarkWD-ToHitdeb/Rchg/EndRdx(31), DarkWD-ToHitDeb/EndRdx(33)
Level 30: Glacier -- Lock-Acc/Hold(A), Lock-Acc/Rchg(33), Lock-Rchg/Hold(33), Lock-EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(34), Lock-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(34), Lock-%Hold(34)
Level 32: Jack Frost -- ExRmnt-Acc/Rchg(A), ExRmnt-Acc/Dmg(36), ExRmnt-Dmg/EndRdx(36), ExRmnt-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(36), ExRmnt-EndRdx/Dmg/Rchg(37), ExRmnt-+Res(Pets)(37)
Level 35: Tornado -- ExRmnt-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(A), ExRmnt-Acc/Dmg(37), ExRmnt-Dmg/EndRdx(39), ExRmnt-EndRdx/Dmg/Rchg(39)
Level 38: Lightning Storm -- Thundr-Acc/Dmg(A), Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx(39), Thundr-Dmg/Rchg(40), Thundr-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(40), Thundr-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(40), Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(42)
Level 41: Fissure -- Posi-Acc/Dmg(A), Posi-Dmg/EndRdx(42), Posi-Dmg/Rchg(42), Posi-Dmg/Rng(43), Posi-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(43), FrcFbk-Rechg%(43)
Level 44: Seismic Smash -- Mako-Acc/Dmg(A), Mako-Dmg/EndRdx(45), Mako-Dmg/Rchg(45), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(45), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(46), Mako-Dam%(46)
Level 47: Rock Armor -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(48), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(48)
Level 49: Earth's Embrace -- Dct'dW-Heal(A), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx(50), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(50), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(50)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Containment
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Health -- Mrcl-Rcvry+(A), Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(9)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- P'Shift-EndMod(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(9), P'Shift-End%(11), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(11)
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Looks like you solved the anemic Freezing Rain slotting that you had in the first build, and I'm traveling and don't have access to mids, but there isn't anything that's jumping out at me.
However, you could pull a slot from Stamina with minimal impact if you were looking for another slot, perhaps to five slot Earth's embrace for a recharge bonus? (Switch Rock Armor and Earth's Embrace to have enough slots)
Draggynn on Virtue: lvl 50 Storm/Psi, 1389 badges
Draggynn's Guide to Storm Summoning(Gale-Tornado, updated 6/25/2011)
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Looks mostly good but swap Fissure and Tornado. You can now take Fissure at 35 and I think you will want that more if you end up exemplaring down to level 30 (unless you make a second build specifically for that).
Same with Arctic Air and Kick, Freezing Rain and Tough. Right now if you were to drop down to level 20 for a Positron TF or something similar you'd be left without most of your core powers.
Also, you have the Force Feedback proc affecting your current totals. When you turn that off you can see that Hasten is far from perma--you need to move slots there.
IMO if you must take Shiver or Snow Storm, skip the other. Consider replacing with O2 Burst or something like Combat Jumping.
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I'm glad you pointed that out since I need another slot to fix my mistake with the +Regen proc being turned on giving me a false sense of awesome.|
Originally Posted by Draggynn
Looks like you solved the anemic Freezing Rain slotting that you had in the first build, and I'm traveling and don't have access to mids, but there isn't anything that's jumping out at me.
Ya Local Man pointed me at the franken proc slotting. I'm actually pretty excited to try that power out slotted like that. However, you could pull a slot from Stamina with minimal impact if you were looking for another slot, perhaps to five slot Earth's embrace for a recharge bonus? (Switch Rock Armor and Earth's Embrace to have enough slots) |
Dropped 1 from Stamina and 1 from Steamy and 1 from Frostbite...and moved them over to Hasten and Earth's Embrace.
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Originally Posted by Oedipus_Tex
Looks mostly good but swap Fissure and Tornado. You can now take Fissure at 35 and I think you will want that more if you end up exemplaring down to level 30 (unless you make a second build specifically for that).
I didn't know that about APP being available at 35 - apparently MIDS is not updated with that change. Same with Arctic Air and Kick, Freezing Rain and Tough. Right now if you were to drop down to level 20 for a Positron TF or something similar you'd be left without most of your core powers. I have switched them around and that makes perfect sense. Also, you have the Force Feedback proc affecting your current totals. When you turn that off you can see that Hasten is far from perma--you need to move slots there. I R DUM IMO if you must take Shiver or Snow Storm, skip the other. Consider replacing with O2 Burst or something like Combat Jumping. |
Well Unless someone has a revelation that will change the entire build I think we might have figured it out.
Go Team!
I appreciate all the time you took to look at this for me and Please please if you have more to say about this I will continue to work with you guys till the end of days.
Working through builds was one of my favorite parts of CoH outside playing the actual game.
Thanks again and I'll post a followup once I've had a chance to play with it.
Tam
For those just skipping to the bottom to find the final build I will update this post with whatever I end up keeping.
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Level 50 Magic Controller
Primary Power Set: Ice Control
Secondary Power Set: Storm Summoning
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leaping
Ancillary Pool: Stone Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Chilblain -- Thundr-Acc/Dmg(A), Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx(3), Thundr-Dmg/Rchg(3)
Level 1: Gale -- Acc-I(A)
Level 2: Block of Ice -- BasGaze-Acc/Hold(A), BasGaze-Rchg/Hold(5), BasGaze-EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(5), BasGaze-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(7), BasGaze-Acc/Rchg(7)
Level 4: Super Speed -- Zephyr-ResKB(A)
Level 6: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(11), RechRdx-I(13)
Level 8: Arctic Air -- CoPers-Conf(A), CoPers-Conf/Rchg(13), CoPers-Acc/Conf/Rchg(15), CoPers-Acc/Rchg(15), CoPers-Conf/EndRdx(17), CoPers-Conf%(17)
Level 10: Frostbite -- Enf'dOp-Immob/Rng(A), Enf'dOp-EndRdx/Immob(19), Enf'dOp-Acc/Immob/Rchg(19), Enf'dOp-Acc/Immob(21)
Level 12: Snow Storm -- HO:Micro(A)
Level 14: Kick -- Acc-I(A)
Level 16: Freezing Rain -- Posi-Dam%(A), LdyGrey-%Dam(21), Achilles-ResDeb%(23), ImpSwft-Dam%(23), RechRdx-I(25), RechRdx-I(25)
Level 18: Steamy Mist -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 20: Tough -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), GA-3defTpProc(27)
Level 22: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 24: Weave -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(27), RedFtn-Def/Rchg(29), RedFtn-EndRdx(29), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(31), RedFtn-Def(31)
Level 26: Ice Slick -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 28: Hurricane -- DarkWD-ToHitDeb(A), DarkWD-ToHitDeb/Rchg(31), DarkWD-ToHitdeb/Rchg/EndRdx(33), DarkWD-ToHitDeb/EndRdx(33)
Level 30: Glacier -- Lock-Acc/Hold(A), Lock-Acc/Rchg(33), Lock-Rchg/Hold(34), Lock-EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(34), Lock-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(34), Lock-%Hold(36)
Level 32: Jack Frost -- ExRmnt-Acc/Rchg(A), ExRmnt-Acc/Dmg(36), ExRmnt-Dmg/EndRdx(36), ExRmnt-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(37), ExRmnt-EndRdx/Dmg/Rchg(37), ExRmnt-+Res(Pets)(37)
Level 35: Tornado -- ExRmnt-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(A), ExRmnt-Acc/Dmg(39), ExRmnt-Dmg/EndRdx(39), ExRmnt-EndRdx/Dmg/Rchg(39)
Level 38: Lightning Storm -- Thundr-Acc/Dmg(A), Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx(40), Thundr-Dmg/Rchg(40), Thundr-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(40), Thundr-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(42), Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(42)
Level 41: Fissure -- Posi-Acc/Dmg(A), Posi-Dmg/EndRdx(42), Posi-Dmg/Rchg(43), Posi-Dmg/Rng(43), Posi-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(43), FrcFbk-Rechg%(45)
Level 44: Seismic Smash -- Mako-Acc/Dmg(A), Mako-Dmg/EndRdx(45), Mako-Dmg/Rchg(45), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(46), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(46), Mako-Dam%(46)
Level 47: Earth's Embrace -- Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx(A), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(48), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(48), Dct'dW-Heal(48), Dct'dW-Rchg(50)
Level 49: Rock Armor -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(50), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(50)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Containment
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Health -- Mrcl-Rcvry+(A), Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(9)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- P'Shift-EndMod(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(9), P'Shift-End%(11)
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Just for comparison, here is the build I'm working on. This is a build capable of playing solo, but also works well on teams. I am close but not quite at Perma Hasten but have perma EE. I could have, with a few small changes, made this build with Rock Armor and about 41.9% Defense that could easily hit the Softcap if I wanted to sacrifice a little bit. But I prefer my controllers to focus on Control, and use Control in place of Defense.
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Ice-Storm: Level 50 Technology Controller
Primary Power Set: Ice Control
Secondary Power Set: Storm Summoning
Power Pool: Flight
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leaping
Ancillary Pool: Stone Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Block of Ice -- BasGaze-Acc/Hold(A), BasGaze-Acc/Rchg(3), BasGaze-Rchg/Hold(5), BasGaze-EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(15), HO:Nucle(25), Dmg-I(29)
Level 1: Gale -- Acc-I(A)
Level 2: Chilblain -- Decim-Acc/Dmg(A), Decim-Dmg/EndRdx(3), Decim-Dmg/Rchg(5), Decim-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(15), Decim-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(25)
Level 4: Snow Storm -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 6: Arctic Air -- CoPers-Conf(A), CoPers-Conf/EndRdx(7), CoPers-Conf%(7), Mlais-Dam%(9), Mlais-EndRdx/Conf(13), EndRdx-I(21)
Level 8: Air Superiority -- C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg(A), C'ngImp-Dmg/Rchg(9), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(43), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(43), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(46)
Level 10: Steamy Mist -- LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(34), LkGmblr-Rchg+(46)
Level 12: Ice Slick -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(13)
Level 14: Fly -- Frbd-Stlth(A)
Level 16: Freezing Rain -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(17), Posi-Dam%(17), Achilles-ResDeb%(37), LdyGrey-%Dam(37), ImpSwft-Dam%(40)
Level 18: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(19), RechRdx-I(19)
Level 20: Hurricane -- DarkWD-ToHitDeb(A), DarkWD-ToHitdeb/Rchg/EndRdx(21), DarkWD-ToHitDeb/EndRdx(23), DarkWD-Rchg/EndRdx(23)
Level 22: O2 Boost -- Mrcl-Heal/EndRdx(A), Mrcl-Heal(34)
Level 24: Shiver -- Acc-I(A)
Level 26: Glacier -- BasGaze-Acc/Hold(A), BasGaze-Acc/Rchg(27), BasGaze-Rchg/Hold(27), BasGaze-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(34), HO:Endo(46)
Level 28: Frostbite -- TotHntr-Acc/Rchg(A), TotHntr-EndRdx/Immob(29), TotHntr-Acc/EndRdx(31), TotHntr-Dam%(31)
Level 30: Combat Jumping -- Krma-ResKB(A), LkGmblr-Rchg+(31)
Level 32: Jack Frost -- ExRmnt-Acc/Dmg(A), ExRmnt-Dmg/EndRdx(33), ExRmnt-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(33), ExRmnt-EndRdx/Dmg/Rchg(33)
Level 35: Tornado -- ExRmnt-Acc/Dmg(A), ExRmnt-Dmg/EndRdx(36), ExRmnt-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(36), ExRmnt-EndRdx/Dmg/Rchg(36), EndRdx-I(37)
Level 38: Lightning Storm -- Decim-Acc/Dmg(A), Decim-Dmg/EndRdx(39), Decim-Dmg/Rchg(39), Decim-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(39), Decim-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(40), Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(40)
Level 41: Fissure -- Posi-Acc/Dmg(A), Posi-Dmg/EndRdx(42), Posi-Dmg/Rchg(42), Posi-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(42), Posi-Dam%(43)
Level 44: Seismic Smash -- C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg(A), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx(45), C'ngImp-Dmg/Rchg(45), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(45), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(48)
Level 47: Earth's Embrace -- Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx(A), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(48), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(48), Dct'dW-Heal(50), Dct'dW-Rchg(50)
Level 49: Hover -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 50: Cardiac Core Paragon
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Containment
Level 1: Sprint -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 2: Rest -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 2: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 2: Health -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(A), Mrcl-Rcvry+(50)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- P'Shift-EndMod(A), P'Shift-End%(11), EndMod-I(11)
Level 4: Ninja Run
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Set Bonus Totals:
- 6% DamageBuff(Smashing)
- 6% DamageBuff(Lethal)
- 6% DamageBuff(Fire)
- 6% DamageBuff(Cold)
- 6% DamageBuff(Energy)
- 6% DamageBuff(Negative)
- 6% DamageBuff(Toxic)
- 6% DamageBuff(Psionic)
- 5% Defense(Energy)
- 5% Defense(Negative)
- 2.5% Defense(Ranged)
- 4.5% Max End
- 88.8% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
- 32% Enhancement(Accuracy)
- 4% Enhancement(Heal)
- 4% Enhancement(Confused)
- 5% Enhancement(Immobilize)
- 5% FlySpeed
- 91.6 HP (9%) HitPoints
- 5% JumpHeight
- 5% JumpSpeed
- Knockback (Mag -4)
- Knockup (Mag -4)
- MezResist(Confused) 5%
- MezResist(Held) 5%
- MezResist(Immobilize) 14.9%
- MezResist(Sleep) 5%
- MezResist(Stun) 5%
- MezResist(Terrorized) 7.2%
- 18% (0.3 End/sec) Recovery
- 10% (0.42 HP/sec) Regeneration
- 2.84% Resistance(Fire)
- 2.84% Resistance(Cold)
- 5% RunSpeed
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LOCAL MAN! The most famous hero of all. There are more newspaper stories about me than anyone else. "Local Man wins Medal of Honor." "Local Man opens Animal Shelter." "Local Man Charged with..." (Um, forget about that one.)
Guide Links: Earth/Rad Guide, Illusion/Rad Guide, Electric Control
As for Shiver: I didn't have it leveling up, and it certainly isn't needed. However, now that I added it in after inherent Stamina was added, I find that I use it more than Snow Storm. It is easy to use, and provides a huge ranged Slow and -Recharge.
Often in large groups, I will jump in with the melee guys, and then blow Shiver at the next group who was just aggroed as they run towards us. The other group slows to a crawl and I focus on taking down the foes around me. By the time the other group reaches us, the foes around us are down. Then I can use the same trick on the next group. You could do the same trick with Snow Storm, but I find that Snow Storm takes longer to set up than a quick blow from Shiver.
LOCAL MAN! The most famous hero of all. There are more newspaper stories about me than anyone else. "Local Man wins Medal of Honor." "Local Man opens Animal Shelter." "Local Man Charged with..." (Um, forget about that one.)
Guide Links: Earth/Rad Guide, Illusion/Rad Guide, Electric Control
Hello,
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I'm a returning player from 2008 and re-subbed for the head start.
I spent most of the evening reading every ice/storm guide and all similar threads.
I am set on the actual powers I picked as they are chosen based on my play-style. Mostly solo but I do group once in awhile for TF's, but mostly solo.
What I'm looking for are a few sets of eyes to see what glaring mistakes I made based on enhancement choice and honestly I'm not sure what the caps are now that a few issues have been published.
I was rather good with MID's back in the day but again even the #'s there have changed that I'm not sure if I'm just overlooking something that might be obvious to the current build masters out there.
Goals for this build were
Capped Def S/L/Ranged
3.0 min Rec(just a # it's not static)
150+ recharge(didn't make it but got close)
And a couple heavy hitting abilities to mix things up a bit
Thank you in advance, I appreciate you taking your personal time to look at this.
Tam
Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.942
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Level 50 Magic Controller
Primary Power Set: Ice Control
Secondary Power Set: Storm Summoning
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Ice Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Chilblain -- Decim-Acc/Dmg(A), Decim-Dmg/EndRdx(25), Decim-Dmg/Rchg(40), Decim-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(43), Decim-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(50)
Level 1: Gale -- Acc-I(A)
Level 2: Block of Ice -- BasGaze-Acc/Hold(A), BasGaze-Rchg/Hold(3), BasGaze-EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(3), BasGaze-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(23)
Level 4: O2 Boost -- Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx(A), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(5), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(5), Dct'dW-Heal(9), Dct'dW-EndRdx/Rchg(9)
Level 6: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(7), RechRdx-I(7)
Level 8: Super Speed -- Zephyr-ResKB(A)
Level 10: Frostbite -- Enf'dOp-Acc/Immob(A), Enf'dOp-EndRdx/Immob(11), Enf'dOp-Immob/Rng(11), Enf'dOp-Acc/Immob/Rchg(13)
Level 12: Snow Storm -- HO:Micro(A)
Level 14: Steamy Mist -- RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(A), RedFtn-Def/Rchg(15), RedFtn-EndRdx/Rchg(15), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(17), RedFtn-Def(17), RedFtn-EndRdx(19)
Level 16: Ice Slick -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 18: Freezing Rain -- RechRdx-I(A), LdyGrey-DefDeb/EndRdx(19)
Level 20: Hurricane -- DarkWD-ToHitDeb(A), DarkWD-ToHitDeb/Rchg(21), DarkWD-ToHitdeb/Rchg/EndRdx(21), DarkWD-ToHitDeb/EndRdx(23)
Level 22: Kick -- Acc-I(A)
Level 24: Tough -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), GA-3defTpProc(25)
Level 26: Glacier -- Lock-Acc/Hold(A), Lock-Rchg/Hold(27), Lock-Acc/Rchg(27), Lock-EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(37), Lock-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(37), Lock-%Hold(37)
Level 28: Weave -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(29), RedFtn-Def/Rchg(29), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(31), RedFtn-Def(31), RedFtn-EndRdx(34)
Level 30: Maneuvers -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(31)
Level 32: Jack Frost -- ExRmnt-Acc/Rchg(A), ExRmnt-Acc/Dmg(33), ExRmnt-Dmg/EndRdx(33), ExRmnt-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(33), ExRmnt-EndRdx/Dmg/Rchg(34), ExRmnt-+Res(Pets)(34)
Level 35: Tornado -- ExRmnt-Acc/Rchg(A), ExRmnt-Dmg/EndRdx(36), ExRmnt-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(36), ExRmnt-EndRdx/Dmg/Rchg(36)
Level 38: Lightning Storm -- Thundr-Acc/Dmg(A), Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx(39), Thundr-Dmg/Rchg(39), Thundr-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(39), Thundr-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(40), Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(40)
Level 41: Ice Blast -- Thundr-Acc/Dmg(A), Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx(42), Thundr-Dmg/Rchg(42), Thundr-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(42), Thundr-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(43), Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(43)
Level 44: Frozen Armor -- RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(A), RedFtn-Def/Rchg(45), RedFtn-EndRdx/Rchg(45), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(45), RedFtn-Def(46), RedFtn-EndRdx(46)
Level 47: Ice Storm -- Posi-Acc/Dmg(A), Posi-Dmg/EndRdx(48), Posi-Dmg/Rchg(48), Posi-Dmg/Rng(48), Posi-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(50)
Level 49: Hibernate -- RechRdx-I(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Containment
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Health -- Mrcl-Rcvry+(A), Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(46)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- EndMod-I(A), P'Shift-End%(13), P'Shift-EndMod(50)