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Oh, I see what you are talking about.|
Originally Posted by plainguy
I will definitely look at what I got when I get home. I know someone was short defense cap wise. Maybe you can post your build and show me where I went wrong.
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It's the mastermind himself who is hard to soft-cap, without IOs. The reason is because the bots/ff mastermind won't be able to use the two ally-only shields on himself.
Still, you get rather close to the soft-cap thanks to the bubble the Protector Bots put on you(one for each bot up to a total of about 20% more defense) and your own 25% defense with fully SOed dispersion bubble, stealth, maneuvers and hover.
You'll be set, especially since you have mez protection.
BUT, I never was a "tankermind". I let the pets hold aggro with their more than ample defenses.
I'll post the build in the next post.
Here is the build. It's all SOs and not how I want it exactly yet. It's also in a slightly older version of Mids, but all info is still accurate aside from endurance costs of powers that are now lower.
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Okay came home pulled out my build.
I have done AVs with this toon but GMs are an issue. So I spoke a bit out of term in my original post.
Defense cap wise I am defense cap with protectors bots base 7.5% bubble. But with double bubble The pets are still short by 2% or so. I needed Nerve Radial Paragon to bump up my defenses so my bubbles will now completely defense cap my pets.
Without trying to play around with the protector bots and slotting for defenses I am talking off the cuff now. I would guess slotting them for defense will increase the bubble they offer. Just off the top of my head I do not know that exact number, for some reason 12% stick outs. But I'm just guessing.. So what I loose from set bonuses I might get back from protector bot bubbles and those double bubbles might cap out the pets and I might not need Nerve Radial Paragon incarnate.
If someone wants to pass an number for protector bots bubbles slotted for defenses then I can do the math.
Here is my current build, I have incarnate turned on.
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1. Why Soft Cap is Important : http://dechskaison.blogspot.com/2011...important.html
2. Limits: http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Limits
3. Attack Mechanics: http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Attack_Mechanics
4. Rule of Five: http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Rule_o...e_Law_of_Fives
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You're adding wrong. You don't need sets or incarnate boosts to soft-cap the pets and yourself with a robots/force field build, at least when you take maneuvers.|
Originally Posted by plainguy
Defense cap wise I am defense cap with protectors bots base 7.5% bubble. But with double bubble The pets are still short by 2% or so. I needed Nerve Radial Paragon to bump up my defenses so my bubbles will now completely defense cap my pets.
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1) Dispersion Bubble + Insulation Shield + Deflection Shield + Maneuvers = 31.447% defense to all positions in your build.
2) The Protectors Bots cast one bubble each, giving 7.5%(easily 10% enhanced and max 12%) defense each, which stack. That comes out to an easy 20% more defense.
That is over 51% defense, well over the 45% soft-cap for all content except incarnate trials. (Although, the Protector Bots can't bubble themselves so they have 10% less so yes they are a little lower.)
Of course, your character will not benefit from the ally-only bubbles so you will have about 16% less defense, but you have weave to compensate some.
Still, your bots will easily all be either well above soft-cap or close to soft-cap while your character will be pushing 40% defense as well.
The Protector Bots should not be gaining aggro either so they should be fine with a little less.
You can always use Force Bubble to keep most enemies away.
You don't need to be the tank for your pets which would make your own defense matter less.
Honestly, I've never considered tanking worth the risk when my pets easily do a good enough job themselves with surviving aggro. I just send them to fight and keep them buffed.
Hell, if you're doing the tanking for them then their defense doesn't even matter since it won't apply except for occasional AoE damage if they are in range.
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Actually, you haven't slotted Deflection Shield and Insulation Shield enough.
You can gain 2.5% more defense for your pets if you slotted them to 60% enhancement of defense buffs.
You also can slot an Edict of the Master Defense Bonus to give your pets 5% more defense when they are close to you.
Edit 2:
You took the laser rifle attacks?
You should probably skip one of those for Assault form the Leadership pool. That will help your ability to take tough enemies down. Your pets are your best source of damage, especially for robots, but it is perhaps just a preference choice. It's hard to measure the dps difference that could be.
Don't forget about HOs/SHOs for your builds. They save slots and give you a lot of benefit, especially on a mastermind.
Here is an example build with demons/ff:
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Protector bots do not double bubble anymore. So YOU only get 1 bubble.
Rifle is for the set bonus.
1. Why Soft Cap is Important : http://dechskaison.blogspot.com/2011...important.html
2. Limits: http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Limits
3. Attack Mechanics: http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Attack_Mechanics
4. Rule of Five: http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Rule_o...e_Law_of_Fives
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Ummm....last I checked there are 2 Protector Bots who each cast one bubble on each pet and yourself to add up to "2 bubbles".|
Originally Posted by plainguy
Protector bots do not double bubble anymore. So YOU only get 1 bubble.
Rifle is for the set bonus. |
The only pets that get only a single bubble are the Protector Bots who can't bubble themselves.
It's the same thing as Deflection Shield and Insulation Shield from the Force Field power set. 2 different users can stack bubbles on a single target for double the benefit(compared to a single bubble total).
Protector bots only bubble the mm once. Check your combat numbers in game. Be nice if it was otherwise. That said my 50 bot/ff has 62 def on big bot and lil bots and he and protection bots sit about 48 (ranged) so Good numbers are possible with some basic sets.
53 Bots/FF/Mace Mastermind | 53 NRG/FF/Electricity Defender | 50 Time/Dual Pistols/Soul Defender | 50 Demons/FF/Mace Mastermind | 51 Necro/Dark/Soul Mastermind | 50 Thugs/Time/Mace Mastermind | 50 Ice/Ice/Arctic Tanker | 50 Plant/Rad/Earth Controller | 50 Illusion/Trick Arrow Controller | 50 Gravity/Force Field Controller
Yes, I like Force Fields.
I will definitely look at what I got when I get home. I know someone was short defense cap wise. Maybe you can post your build and show me where I went wrong.
1. Why Soft Cap is Important : http://dechskaison.blogspot.com/2011...important.html
2. Limits: http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Limits
3. Attack Mechanics: http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Attack_Mechanics
4. Rule of Five: http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Rule_o...e_Law_of_Fives