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MFing Peacebringer Guide?

AIB

By AIB,
Posted on: 2011-08-19 15:33 in Kheldians

 

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Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy View Post
Haha, I was going to point in the direction of that thread too but I figured it wasn't worth it.
Likely a waste of time, I admit.

 

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Your Point?

(Apart from spamming image files already posted elsewhere)?

AIB can also kill an AV with a PB, as noted here (same AV, in fact).

Not to denigrate his skills in any way, shape or form, it's not too surprising
that with enough Purples and iStuff in a build, *many* toons can accomplish
that.

Otoh, if he brought both of those into PvP, I'll wager the WS will be fishfood
long before the PB...

Of course, PvP is also an area where player skill comes into play - especially
on high-end builds, which both his PB & WS qualify as, so perhaps AIB would
see different results...

But your *average* SO slotted Kheld??? Not so much...


Regards,
4

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Your Point?

(Apart from spamming image files already posted elsewhere)?

AIB can also kill an AV with a PB, as noted here (same AV, in fact).

Not to denigrate his skills in any way, shape or form, it's not too surprising
that with enough Purples and iStuff in a build, *many* toons can accomplish
that.

Otoh, if he brought both of those into PvP, I'll wager the WS will be fishfood
long before the PB...

Of course, PvP is also an area where player skill comes into play - especially
on high-end builds, which both his PB & WS qualify as, so perhaps AIB would
see different results...

But your *average* SO slotted Kheld??? Not so much...


Regards,
4

PVP? What is with all this PVP talk? No one cares about PVP.

 

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PVP? What is with all this PVP talk? No one cares about PVP.
hahah.. this actually made me lol .. in rl

but the point we are trying to make is like each at has different roles..

pb and ws are different beast..

and the reference to eb or av fight .. i meant solo when all the minions are dead.. a ws would have a tougher time than a pb..

And lastly not to knock pve or start a war but i judge pvp over any pve content.. cause your fighting against "intelligence" or so to speak.. but thats just me..


to Bill:

I was thinking of a build last night for pvp shade.. all human with aid self and barrier ... with shields.. then just fill the gaps with pool powers..

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Originally Posted by FourSpeed View Post
...AIB can also kill an AV with a PB, as noted here (same AV, in fact).

...it's not too surprising that with enough Purples and iStuff in a build, *many* toons can accomplish
that.

Otoh, if he brought both of those into PvP, I'll wager the WS will be fishfood
long before the PB...
With my PB at 50+1 I defeated a level 50 Chimera AV using some incarnate abilities. (Purples + some iStuff)

With my WS at 50 I defeated a level 49 Chimera AV without any incarnate powers. (Purples + no iStuff)

I believe that with the forthcoming changes to PB I will be able to do the latter as well for it will be easier to drop to human form with the Lightform changes and inner light lasts longer than buildup and Photon Seekers now recharge more quickly.

Neither of my Khelds are built for PvP. But, yes, I have and still do engage in PvP from time to time. My PB always seems better...unless, of course, there is alot of fuel strewn about on which my Shade can feast.

 

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Originally Posted by FourSpeed View Post
Your Point?

(Apart from spamming image files already posted elsewhere)?

AIB can also kill an AV with a PB, as noted here (same AV, in fact).

Not to denigrate his skills in any way, shape or form, it's not too surprising
that with enough Purples and iStuff in a build, *many* toons can accomplish
that.

Otoh, if he brought both of those into PvP, I'll wager the WS will be fishfood
long before the PB...

Of course, PvP is also an area where player skill comes into play - especially
on high-end builds, which both his PB & WS qualify as, so perhaps AIB would
see different results...

But your *average* SO slotted Kheld??? Not so much...


Regards,
4
You have an interesting definition of spamming, as it was a single quote that pointed out that IronAlex had faulty assumptions. Also, lolpvp. Way to make it look like you have something to respond with when half of your post I was not arguing about. I frankly couldn't care less which type of squid would "outperform" the other in our crippled player vs player system.

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and the reference to eb or av fight .. i meant solo when all the minions are dead.. a ws would have a tougher time than a pb..
Ooooh interesting how you bring that bit up NOW, and not in your original post. How handy of you. Why don't you add a few other handicaps that would make the WS sound worse, like say...it was an EB with high negative energy resist? All of these "What if's" are fun, are they not?

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And lastly not to knock pve or start a war but i judge pvp over any pve content.. cause your fighting against "intelligence" or so to speak.. but thats just me..
This made me lol in real life.

 

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Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy View Post
PVP? What is with all this PVP talk? No one cares about PVP.
Except the people who do, of course.

 

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Originally Posted by Stone Daemon View Post
Ooooh interesting how you bring that bit up NOW, and not in your original post. How handy of you.
Since I started in I3. most AV fights end up with *just* the AV standing and most minions dead (short of something like Infernal's portal... and better than 95% of the teams I've been on for that pull him away.)

So, frankly, it's not even something that should need stating. Yes, Dech's guide ends up saying "Leave minions around!" but - again, from my experience with most teams (since, without it... 1-2 minions? Take a red and purple) - they're just not going to do that.

 

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Since I started in I3. most AV fights end up with *just* the AV standing and most minions dead (short of something like Infernal's portal... and better than 95% of the teams I've been on for that pull him away.)

So, frankly, it's not even something that should need stating. Yes, Dech's guide ends up saying "Leave minions around!" but - again, from my experience with most teams (since, without it... 1-2 minions? Take a red and purple) - they're just not going to do that.
And you're right, at least for the enemies in the AV's mob. However, as AIB has demonstrated with Chimera, careful playing can make sure you leave other mobs throughout the map that you can run over to and make new pets with. Also...keep in mind, we're talking about soloing an AV. If you're on a team, the whole argument is null.

All of this being beside the point, as my pointing out that a WS can solo an Arch Villain was simply to point out how silly an assertion it was that they couldn't even solo an EB.

 

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Except the people who do, of course.

You're right, I'm sure that all 10 of you disagree with me.

 

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Let me correct myself initially when i said solo ws.. i wasnt talking about team wise.. wrong use of words..

what i meant was 1 vs 1 shade vs x..

shade is going to have a harder time.. than a pb vs x..

Thats where the pvp argument came from.. cause in that scenario a pb can sustain it self..

But yah. we shouldn't be arguing about this.. the original topic was a guide on mfing pb..

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Originally Posted by IronAlex View Post
Let me correct myself initially when i said solo ws.. i wasnt talking about team wise.. wrong use of words..

what i meant was 1 vs 1 shade vs x..

shade is going to have a harder time.. than a pb vs x..
I disagree with your contrived circumstances. Any decent WS would have at least 1 or 2 pets left over from previous mobs, and the EB would be long dead before the pets despawned. EVEN if a WS had to attack an EB solo, it'd still be more than possible for it to kill it without pets handily.

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But yah. we shouldn't be arguing about this.. the original topic was a guide on mfing pb..
The first thing you've said that I can agree with.

 

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Originally Posted by Stone Daemon View Post
I disagree with your contrived circumstances. Any decent WS would have at least 1 or 2 pets left over from previous mobs, and the EB would be long dead before the pets despawned. EVEN if a WS had to attack an EB solo, it'd still be more than possible for it to kill it without pets handily.
Yep, I soloed Trapdoor without any pets at all faster than my Peacebringer could hit buildup.