Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
![]() Haha, I was going to point in the direction of that thread too but I figured it wasn't worth it.
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MFing Peacebringer Guide?
Your Point?
(Apart from spamming image files already posted elsewhere)?
AIB can also kill an AV with a PB, as noted here (same AV, in fact).
Not to denigrate his skills in any way, shape or form, it's not too surprising
that with enough Purples and iStuff in a build, *many* toons can accomplish
that.
Otoh, if he brought both of those into PvP, I'll wager the WS will be fishfood
long before the PB...
Of course, PvP is also an area where player skill comes into play - especially
on high-end builds, which both his PB & WS qualify as, so perhaps AIB would
see different results...
But your *average* SO slotted Kheld??? Not so much...
Regards,
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Your Point?
(Apart from spamming image files already posted elsewhere)? AIB can also kill an AV with a PB, as noted here (same AV, in fact). Not to denigrate his skills in any way, shape or form, it's not too surprising that with enough Purples and iStuff in a build, *many* toons can accomplish that. Otoh, if he brought both of those into PvP, I'll wager the WS will be fishfood long before the PB... Of course, PvP is also an area where player skill comes into play - especially on high-end builds, which both his PB & WS qualify as, so perhaps AIB would see different results... But your *average* SO slotted Kheld??? Not so much... Regards, 4 |
PVP? What is with all this PVP talk? No one cares about PVP.
PVP? What is with all this PVP talk? No one cares about PVP.
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but the point we are trying to make is like each at has different roles..
pb and ws are different beast..
and the reference to eb or av fight .. i meant solo when all the minions are dead.. a ws would have a tougher time than a pb..
And lastly not to knock pve or start a war but i judge pvp over any pve content.. cause your fighting against "intelligence" or so to speak.. but thats just me..
to Bill:
I was thinking of a build last night for pvp shade.. all human with aid self and barrier ... with shields.. then just fill the gaps with pool powers..
Freedom:
Iron-Blade 50kat/invul Iron Ascension 50trifpb Cinder Reborn 50fire/kin Zaha'doom 50triws Cindered Stones 50fire/ston ColdFusion 35 ice/rad Iron Ash 50 Fir/WP
Iron Wind km/regen Iron Static elec/reg Psy Entity 50 psy/dev Iron-Assassin 50 nin/nin
...AIB can also kill an AV with a PB, as noted here (same AV, in fact).
...it's not too surprising that with enough Purples and iStuff in a build, *many* toons can accomplish that. Otoh, if he brought both of those into PvP, I'll wager the WS will be fishfood long before the PB... |
With my WS at 50 I defeated a level 49 Chimera AV without any incarnate powers. (Purples + no iStuff)
I believe that with the forthcoming changes to PB I will be able to do the latter as well for it will be easier to drop to human form with the Lightform changes and inner light lasts longer than buildup and Photon Seekers now recharge more quickly.
Neither of my Khelds are built for PvP. But, yes, I have and still do engage in PvP from time to time. My PB always seems better...unless, of course, there is alot of fuel strewn about on which my Shade can feast.
Your Point?
(Apart from spamming image files already posted elsewhere)? AIB can also kill an AV with a PB, as noted here (same AV, in fact). Not to denigrate his skills in any way, shape or form, it's not too surprising that with enough Purples and iStuff in a build, *many* toons can accomplish that. Otoh, if he brought both of those into PvP, I'll wager the WS will be fishfood long before the PB... Of course, PvP is also an area where player skill comes into play - especially on high-end builds, which both his PB & WS qualify as, so perhaps AIB would see different results... But your *average* SO slotted Kheld??? Not so much... Regards, 4 |
and the reference to eb or av fight .. i meant solo when all the minions are dead.. a ws would have a tougher time than a pb.. |
This made me lol in real life.
Ooooh interesting how you bring that bit up NOW, and not in your original post. How handy of you.
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So, frankly, it's not even something that should need stating. Yes, Dech's guide ends up saying "Leave minions around!" but - again, from my experience with most teams (since, without it... 1-2 minions? Take a red and purple) - they're just not going to do that.
Since I started in I3. most AV fights end up with *just* the AV standing and most minions dead (short of something like Infernal's portal... and better than 95% of the teams I've been on for that pull him away.)
So, frankly, it's not even something that should need stating. Yes, Dech's guide ends up saying "Leave minions around!" but - again, from my experience with most teams (since, without it... 1-2 minions? Take a red and purple) - they're just not going to do that. |
All of this being beside the point, as my pointing out that a WS can solo an Arch Villain was simply to point out how silly an assertion it was that they couldn't even solo an EB.
Let me correct myself initially when i said solo ws.. i wasnt talking about team wise.. wrong use of words..
what i meant was 1 vs 1 shade vs x..
shade is going to have a harder time.. than a pb vs x..
Thats where the pvp argument came from.. cause in that scenario a pb can sustain it self..
But yah. we shouldn't be arguing about this.. the original topic was a guide on mfing pb..
Freedom:
Iron-Blade 50kat/invul Iron Ascension 50trifpb Cinder Reborn 50fire/kin Zaha'doom 50triws Cindered Stones 50fire/ston ColdFusion 35 ice/rad Iron Ash 50 Fir/WP
Iron Wind km/regen Iron Static elec/reg Psy Entity 50 psy/dev Iron-Assassin 50 nin/nin
Let me correct myself initially when i said solo ws.. i wasnt talking about team wise.. wrong use of words..
what i meant was 1 vs 1 shade vs x.. shade is going to have a harder time.. than a pb vs x.. |
The first thing you've said that I can agree with.
I disagree with your contrived circumstances. Any decent WS would have at least 1 or 2 pets left over from previous mobs, and the EB would be long dead before the pets despawned. EVEN if a WS had to attack an EB solo, it'd still be more than possible for it to kill it without pets handily.
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