Because I am useless at slotting, help me figure out how to slot my dual-built widow please?
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Deacon_NA,
Posted on: 2011-07-12 06:43 in Soldiers of Arachnos
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1. What is the budget for this? Are we sticking to common IOs?|
Originally Posted by FlashToo
Again, I have no idea what I'm doing with either of these builds, though I have a vague sense that recharge bonuses are the most important thing to look for and that for the Fortunata, I need to figure out how to not lose all my endurance right away while still managing to do decent damage, which has always been a head-scratcher for me because if I slot my attacks for EndRedux that means I'm not slotting them for Actually Being Able To Hit/Hurt People or not slotting them for Using Good Stuff More Often. The problem with both builds is that there are so many powers in them that want to be slotted that I can't figure out where to skimp, because when I last tried to come up with something I ended up missing a lot of damage bonuses by just one slot.
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2. Theres a lot of issues, none of which that are insurmountable, but you probably should respec as opposed to just slotting new IOs
3. You should pull out and sell those purples, they arent doing you any good and could make a fair bit of moola from them.
4. You can slot for end reduction better if you went with set ios (even cheap ones), with the multi aspect nature of them you get better bang for your slots and can hit your targets of acc, end redux and damage all at the same time
5. You want recharge and some defense bonuses with you Fort. You want recharge and some defense bonuses with your widow.
--Frog
Are these live builds? Especially the Fortunata, which has a couple of pieces (Hecatomb and Ragnarok) slotted that, if sold at market value, could fund both builds.
Both branches are indeed tough endurance wise, I'd look to slot Numina and Miracle uniques. You can earn both in a little over a week of a-merit farming if you'd rather not buy. You can have both in both builds in 2.5 weeks.
So, those are basically SO builds. You're right that recharge is important. VERY important, especially for perma Mind Link. While endurance and recovery are critical as well, I find those get solved as a secondary effect of making a strong build.
I would also add that CT: O is very skippable, given that accuracy bonuses also come with no effort at all for IO builds.
I'm sure if you look through this particular sub-forum, you can find many templates to use for how to build your widow and fort.
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1. The budget is whatever I can get from selling the two purples I have slotted but can pull out by respeccing, plus one more Hecatomb proc that I already pulled out of a now-rarely-used scrapper that way. So, large.|
Originally Posted by Frogfather
1. What is the budget for this? Are we sticking to common IOs?
2. Theres a lot of issues, none of which that are insurmountable, but you probably should respec as opposed to just slotting new IOs 3. You should pull out and sell those purples, they arent doing you any good and could make a fair bit of moola from them. 4. You can slot for end reduction better if you went with set ios (even cheap ones), with the multi aspect nature of them you get better bang for your slots and can hit your targets of acc, end redux and damage all at the same time 5. You want recharge and some defense bonuses with you Fort. You want recharge and some defense bonuses with your widow. --Frog |
2. I figured as much. In fact I already planned to respec, to replace Strike on the Fortunata build with Vengeance, thus freeing up the slots from Strike (which I rarely used anyway) and giving me, in the form of a power that doesn't need to be slotted for anything to be good, another LotG mule if I need it.
3. See answer number one
4. OK, cool. Any ideas on which sets and maybe where to put them? Also, does this mean (especially for the fortunata build) slotting pretty much every End Redux set enhancement I can find, and if so, what should I drop lower in favor of it?
5. That makes it simpler, I suppose. Besides LotG, which I can fit five of easily, what might be good to consider?
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Okay heres what I drew up using your power selections and a budget of less than 1 billion (which is what I think youll get for your Purple IOs you pull out)
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2. Recharge is paramount, but its also one of the most expensive things to build for. So in with Decimations, Positrons Blast and Lotgs....
3. Youre a few seconds off of perma for ML and Hasten. Thats okay. Its something you can build towards if you want.
4. Youre also a few steps shy of being at the positional defensive soft cap for all three (any defense you get from Mask Presence is halved when not hidden)
5. Endurance should not be an issue...2.2EPS delta between Use and Recovery.
6. I dont know what to do with Whirlwind. Do you want an attack or do you want an "Oh Crap" power. Your call, slot accordingly.
7. Ive rebuilt my Fort/Widow combo many times, but never with these powers or budget so please just use my slottings as a starting point and come up with your own.
Enjoy
--Frog
Yeah, I've been awful with IO sets since they were introduced, and have been running all my characters still with SOs straight up to now. The feelings of inferiority have gotten to me ever since I got my boyfriend, an EVE Online player with a hobby of using Eve Fitting Tool to optimize his ships' setups, back into the game and showed him Mids (which he immediately yelled at me for, because now CoX Fitting Tool is apparently going to eat up all his time). I'd get him to help me but he's never played most of the ATs that I've played, including Fortunata and NW.
So anyway, the builds and what I want to do with them: This IS a concept-type character and her powers are chosen that way, but I don't think it will have to cripple her. That's why I have Widow Training attacks in the Fortunata build and the two psychic attacks available to Night Widows: whichever build she's in, I want her to be able to both stab people from stealth and hit them with psionic attacks, though of course the two options are heavily weighted for one or the other. Generally, I use NW for soloing and Fortunata for teaming, unless the team wants big ST damage instead of AOEs and control (Keyes, etc) or if whatever I'm soloing/teaming against has significant resistances to psionic or lethal in which case I'll swap to whichever build is better at chucking damage around.
Most of the problems I'm experiencing are with my Fortunata build, which relies on tier 4 Cardiac for endurance stability and therefore folds like a book whenever I'm exemplared. Lately I've not been using the NW build much, so I haven't identified problems with it, but I'm bad at that anyway so I've posted it just to let another set of eyes have a go.
Again, I have no idea what I'm doing with either of these builds, though I have a vague sense that recharge bonuses are the most important thing to look for and that for the Fortunata, I need to figure out how to not lose all my endurance right away while still managing to do decent damage, which has always been a head-scratcher for me because if I slot my attacks for EndRedux that means I'm not slotting them for Actually Being Able To Hit/Hurt People or not slotting them for Using Good Stuff More Often. The problem with both builds is that there are so many powers in them that want to be slotted that I can't figure out where to skimp, because when I last tried to come up with something I ended up missing a lot of damage bonuses by just one slot.
Current Fortunata build:
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