Energy/Will Brute - what can I skip from Energy Mastery?
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ClawsandEffect,
Posted on: 2011-07-05 15:13 in Brutes
Think if you're not hurting for END then it's going to be personal choice. Me I'd lose superior conditioning and take the other two... from those options. Though in reality I wouldn't try and take four from the five maybe just the two I needed and use the other slots for something else.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
This may seem like a dumb question and, moreover, a somewhat silly plan - putting Energy Mastery on a character who already has both Stamina and Quick Recovery, but I'm going for it anyway. However, of the five powers in Energy Mastery, which one should I skip?
Right out of the game I know I want two powers out of the set, and those CANNOT be skipped - Laser Beam Eyes and Energy Torrent. That's a concept thing, so these powers both need to be taken. This leaves two power picks and three powers - Physical Perfection, Superior Conditioning and Focused Accuracy - for only two power picks. Obviously, one has to go, but which one? I kind of wonder if I shouldn't built to theme and just go for unnecessary overkill endurance and stick with Superior Conditioning and Physical Perfection, but Focused Accuracy has its perks, too. But if I chose to skip on either of the two endurance-helping powers, which one should it be? I'm really not that concerned with min-maxing and with so much endurance slots really shouldn't be a problem, I'm just looking for general opinions on what you guys like and why. Any help in this matter would be much appreciated. |
I guess...out of the three I would skip...Focused Accuracy.
1) Physical Perfection gives you more recovery and regeneration
2) Superior Conditioning give you a bigger pool o' stamina
3) Focused accuracy was gutted not so long ago
Hmm...here's what I would take
1) Superior Conditioning
Then duke it out between PP and FA. If you're not having end/regen issues take FA (inspite of what I just said)
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Originally Posted by Larcen3
Sam....did you used to NEVER take stamina, at all?
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Either way, though, between Stamina and Quick Recovery, I've never had a character hurt for endurance under those circumstances.I guess I could take other Pool powers, like Tough, but eh. I don't want either Kick or Boxing, and none of the others thrill me any.
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Originally Posted by Larcen3
I guess...out of the three I would skip...Focused Accuracy.
1) Physical Perfection gives you more recovery and regeneration 2) Superior Conditioning give you a bigger pool o' stamina 3) Focused accuracy was gutted not so long ago Hmm...here's what I would take 1) Superior Conditioning Then duke it out between PP and FA. If you're not having end/regen issues take FA (inspite of what I just said) |
What this means is if I take Superior Conditioning, I can only devote two extra slots for it, meaning either endurance + 2x heal or outright 3x heal, since I can always use more regeneration, not always more recovery. If I DO take Focused Accuracy, though, I can run that with a single basic slot, or two at most, and so spend the rest elsewhere, but seen as how I don't NEED slots anywhere else and how I can use healing more so than endurance... Well, you get the idea
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Though now that you mention it, I do wonder if I can't skip Laser Beam Eyes, since I hate eye attacks. I know, I know - I said I can't skip it, but... I don't know. We'll see.
Thanks for the advise, guys. I still have some thinking to do, but this helps tremendously.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
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Hey,
Focused Acc also has the perk of resisting -ToHit debuffs; bear that in mind if you find that sort of thing bothersome.
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Yeah, I like Focused Accuracy for that. It's nice to have when I fight anything with Dark powers on it, as those are always exceedingly irritating.
I keep wondering if I shouldn't simply skip the Super Man laser beam eyes and just stick to Energy Torrent for my ranged attack. I do so wish we had Power Blast or Power Bolt in one of the epics, though, honestly.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
But if I chose to skip on either of the two endurance-helping powers, which one should it be?
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Superior Conditioning actually raises your max endurance, which will help your already swimming in end recovery build more than adding 12.5% more end recovery.
I'd really lose Focused Accuracy and keep both end powers, but the question I'm answering here specifically asks which of the two end powers I'd skip.
Between Stamina and Quick Recovery you should have plenty of end recovery. With your well-documented refusal to use IOs, more max endurance is going to be a thing very difficult for you to come by, unless you plan on pursuing the accolades that give you more.
So, for YOU, I'd skip Physical Perfection and keep Superior Conditioning. I'd do it differently, but it's not my character.
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Hmm... See, I like Superior Conditioning more for the Regeneration bonus than for the endurance buff, to be honest. Considering how little I can slot it, there isn't much more I can ask from the thing.|
Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
I'd lose Physical Perfection to be honest.
Superior Conditioning actually raises your max endurance, which will help your already swimming in end recovery build more than adding 12.5% more end recovery. I'd really lose Focused Accuracy and keep both end powers, but the question I'm answering here specifically asks which of the two end powers I'd skip. Between Stamina and Quick Recovery you should have plenty of end recovery. With your well-documented refusal to use IOs, more max endurance is going to be a thing very difficult for you to come by, unless you plan on pursuing the accolades that give you more. So, for YOU, I'd skip Physical Perfection and keep Superior Conditioning. I'd do it differently, but it's not my character. |
Interestingly, I've been considering dropping Laser Beam Eyes out of the build because it's... Not really appropriate for this character. In fact, it's no appropriate at all. She should be focusing energy through her big robotic hand, not through her eyes. Yeah, I'll probably have to do a repeat of my kung fu robot and go with Physical Perfection, Superior Conditioning, Energy Torrent and Focused Accuracy. Probably in that order.
Question, in this regard: If I do take Focused Accuracy, does that mean I should slot the four Willpower toggles for Endurance? I currently don't plan to do so, but dropping Laser Beam Eyes will free up four slots and I could conceivably do that.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
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You dont need either Phys Perf or Superior Conditioning on a WP brute.
So you can keep the two concept powers you want, and you don't need to worry about these.
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The thing, though, is that I'm not really sure Laser Beam Eyes actually fits my concept. At first I wanted to take it because... Hey, godlike powers, why not eye beams? But then I remembered that I specifically wrote this one's concept as focusing most of her power through her cybernetic arm. I can kind of stomach Energy Torrent using a left-handed animation, since it's still a "handed" one, but Laser Beam Eyes... I don't know. I'd have to see Epic customization and swap that animation for the new one here the beams shoot out of the fists if I am to use it.
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Originally Posted by Deus_Otiosus
You dont need either Phys Perf or Superior Conditioning on a WP brute.
So you can keep the two concept powers you want, and you don't need to worry about these. |
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
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To pick a nit....Superior conditioning gives you a bigger pool of endurance, but doesn't do anything for regeneration. Physical Perfection gives you more regen and more recovery.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
Hmm... See, I like Superior Conditioning more for the Regeneration bonus than for the endurance buff, to be honest. Considering how little I can slot it, there isn't much more I can ask from the thing.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
The thing, though, is that I'm not really sure Laser Beam Eyes actually fits my concept. At first I wanted to take it because... Hey, godlike powers, why not eye beams? But then I remembered that I specifically wrote this one's concept as focusing most of her power through her cybernetic arm. I can kind of stomach Energy Torrent using a left-handed animation, since it's still a "handed" one, but Laser Beam Eyes... I don't know. I'd have to see Epic customization and swap that animation for the new one here the beams shoot out of the fists if I am to use it.
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Are you opposed to having electric/lightning powers as well as "energy" (they both do energy damage actually)?
I ask, because you could be tossing Mu Lightning bolts and Balls of Lightning out of that right hand of yours if you go Mu.
On top of that, EM really wants some extra AoE as well.
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Originally Posted by Larcen3
To pick a nit....Superior conditioning gives you a bigger pool of endurance, but doesn't do anything for regeneration. Physical Perfection gives you more regen and more recovery.
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Originally Posted by Deus_Otiosus
Are you opposed to having electric/lightning powers as well as "energy" (they both do energy damage actually)?
I ask, because you could be tossing Mu Lightning bolts and Balls of Lightning out of that right hand of yours if you go Mu. On top of that, EM really wants some extra AoE as well. |
That, and Mu Lightning requires me to take my hero villain-side and do some evil, for which I'd need a HELL of a lot better reason than just a sideways conversion. Like... If villain patrons offered Scrappers a Dual Pistols Epic, then I might consider it. But there's nothing in the Patron pools which can justify defiling a concept over.
That said, I do agree with you - Energy Melee can use a LOT more AoE, which I believe Energy Torrent could help with. Energy Melee, furthermore, can't use much more single-target damage, so Laser Beam Eyes are even less desirable in terms of meta-game mechanics. I think the simplest thing to do is to skip Laser Beam Eyes and take everything else. And probably slot my toggles for endurance reduction, since I'm running out of things to do with the post-40 slots.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
Yes, that. I blame intra-cranial flatulence on my part for this mistake.
Yeah, I am, actually. To be honest, this Brute's concept is kind of... Abstract, in that it calls for "pure energy," which means something that doesn't look like anything. Electricity IS energy, but it's also electricity, so it looks like "something" already. Not abstract enough. Energy Melee, Energy Aura, Energy Blast, these are the things that don't look like anything at all. They're just glowing energy, and they're what I want. If I could customize Laser Beam Eyes to use the Power Bolt animation, instead, I'd do that in a heartbeat, especially if it came with the new right-handed custom animation for it. But I can't, so... That, and Mu Lightning requires me to take my hero villain-side and do some evil, for which I'd need a HELL of a lot better reason than just a sideways conversion. Like... If villain patrons offered Scrappers a Dual Pistols Epic, then I might consider it. But there's nothing in the Patron pools which can justify defiling a concept over. That said, I do agree with you - Energy Melee can use a LOT more AoE, which I believe Energy Torrent could help with. Energy Melee, furthermore, can't use much more single-target damage, so Laser Beam Eyes are even less desirable in terms of meta-game mechanics. I think the simplest thing to do is to skip Laser Beam Eyes and take everything else. And probably slot my toggles for endurance reduction, since I'm running out of things to do with the post-40 slots. |
Why are you playing WP and not EA then?
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It was a tough choice between the two, believe me. I could make an argument for both. In the end, it came down to Energy Cloak - I wanted the power, but it didn't make sense for the character to cloak herself. That, and Energy Drain syphons energy from other people an objects, something which is inconsistent with the character's concept of infinite energy. Not only would she never need to syphon energy, this would actually be the complete opposite to the power she wields.|
Originally Posted by Deus_Otiosus
Why are you playing WP and not EA then?
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That, and Willpower is a good representation of "godlike being," in that it gives the user limitless survivability so long as that user has the will to keep using it. Given that the character possesses infinite power, she really is limited not by any physical factor, but by her will and ability to draw on the power she wields.
Like I said, it wasn't an easy choice. But Willpower is abstract enough to represent nothing specific at all, its auras are a a basic "glowing aura" design so they can easily represent auras, and the powerset's mechanical design emphasises regeneration (i.e. creation and recreation) and no downtime (i.e. tapping into an unlimited power source). It fits well enough, it has nothing that bugs me and even its lack of a proper god mode power isn't THAT bad.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
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This may seem like a dumb question and, moreover, a somewhat silly plan - putting Energy Mastery on a character who already has both Stamina and Quick Recovery, but I'm going for it anyway. However, of the five powers in Energy Mastery, which one should I skip?
Right out of the game I know I want two powers out of the set, and those CANNOT be skipped - Laser Beam Eyes and Energy Torrent. That's a concept thing, so these powers both need to be taken. This leaves two power picks and three powers - Physical Perfection, Superior Conditioning and Focused Accuracy - for only two power picks. Obviously, one has to go, but which one?
I kind of wonder if I shouldn't built to theme and just go for unnecessary overkill endurance and stick with Superior Conditioning and Physical Perfection, but Focused Accuracy has its perks, too. But if I chose to skip on either of the two endurance-helping powers, which one should it be?
I'm really not that concerned with min-maxing and with so much endurance slots really shouldn't be a problem, I'm just looking for general opinions on what you guys like and why.
Any help in this matter would be much appreciated.