If you're building a pure farmer, don't build for SL defense but do slot Fences for damage. Also, your shields are overslotted, you're slotting the pure damage purples over the procs, and Healing Flames is underslotted (and the procs will have terrible uptime).
It looks okay. Wouldn't bother with the PvP IOs (unless if you currently own them)
You want recharge, recharge, more recharge, and did I mention some recharge?
Kind of a "Dream Build" but this is what I would do for Elec/Fire (I am using quite an adapted version of this.. but you should get the idea from the slotting how it probably looks)
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@War-Nugget
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well i slot for S/L b/c this has been my main toon for a while, he doesnt just chill in AE... so it helps with survival out of AE, the 5 slots on the shields were for the IO set bonuses for +Def , on the procs in healing, yeah, i was still looking into that, gonna shift them to heal, and figure out what to move around... in terms of actually using the heal in the farming times, the only time i ever use the heal is for if i need to go AFK, or if my dumb *** endurance drops the toggles.
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Originally Posted by A Man In Black
If you're building a pure farmer, don't build for SL defense but do slot Fences for damage. Also, your shields are overslotted, you're slotting the pure damage purples over the procs, and Healing Flames is underslotted (and the procs will have terrible uptime).
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I do have the PVP IO on the toon im stripping
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Originally Posted by War-Nugget
It looks okay. Wouldn't bother with the PvP IOs (unless if you currently own them)
You want recharge, recharge, more recharge, and did I mention some recharge? Kind of a "Dream Build" but this is what I would do for Elec/Fire (I am using quite an adapted version of this.. but you should get the idea from the slotting how it probably looks) Code:
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idk dude, with my build, and fury topping out, my dmg%+ is way higher, my defenses are higher, and with all the AOE's plus my high recharge i wont be without a power to use ( ie no downtime), and no downtime means low damage taken. so who needs heal more than every 11 seconds...
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So do you want a farming build, or a general-purpose build? If the latter, Electric Fences is junk, your shields are overslotted and Weave/Maneuvers are underslotted, your attacks are mostly underslotted, Armageddon in Lightning Rod is a waste, and Chain Induction is completely mis-slotted.
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Originally Posted by Dark Farmer
well i slot for S/L b/c this has been my main toon for a while, he doesnt just chill in AE... so it helps with survival out of AE, the 5 slots on the shields were for the IO set bonuses for +Def , on the procs in healing, yeah, i was still looking into that, gonna shift them to heal, and figure out what to move around... in terms of actually using the heal in the farming times, the only time i ever use the heal is for if i need to go AFK, or if my dumb *** endurance drops the toggles.
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FE and LR can never be up too often, screw the heal though. +dmg from sets is generally useless, both because its such a low number for a brute and because you can dmg cap without it, which means it literally becomes useless.
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Originally Posted by Dark Farmer
idk dude, with my build, and fury topping out, my dmg%+ is way higher, my defenses are higher, and with all the AOE's plus my high recharge i wont be without a power to use ( ie no downtime), and no downtime means low damage taken. so who needs heal more than every 11 seconds...
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"I have ridden the mighty moon worm!"
-Al Gore
Fiery Aura is only good for farming, I'm cereal
@Caucasiafro
That Elec/Fire build I posted works perfectly fine outside of AE, and I do not find the damage to be lacking.
The heal isn't just a heal, it is also for Toxic damage resistance .. and really, a 50% heal is nothing to joke about - especially if it is up in 11 seconds. :-P
Lightning Rod currently has enough recharge to be used as such (With t4 Spirit):
Fiery Embrace, Lightning Rod (wait 20 seconds) repeat.
LR will be dealing 420 damage on use like this (with capped damage)
Heck you can do this : BU, HE, LR , [Burn, Fence, Ball, Thunderstrike]x3 , BU, HE, LR
-using BU whenever really
That would murder most spawns.
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I find S/L capping (or even pushing it to 32.5%) gimps most of the powers on a */FA
To show you, here is a S/L softcapped Ele/FA .
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High recharge means that the heal is up, if you are getting hit hard that 50% heal on a 11 second cooldown is really handy to top you back up. Having all your AoEs on quick recharges means you can choose to only use AoE attacks. But, if you do feel the need to softcap your S/L (which will be gone in a matter of seconds by anything that has -def powers, as of course you do not have much defense debuff resistance.)
Of course, with this S/L capped build you can use Darkest Night to apply -tohit to your foes, reducing their chances of hitting you. But, again just ideas of how you could go about making your own Ele/FA .
@War-Nugget
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Ok, thats simply not true...it actually takes quite some time before -def can be applied when you are soft capped. Infact, on an /FA the mob will likely be dead before you get hit even once.|
Originally Posted by War-Nugget
High recharge means that the heal is up, if you are getting hit hard that 50% heal on a 11 second cooldown is really handy to top you back up. Having all your AoEs on quick recharges means you can choose to only use AoE attacks. But, if you do feel the need to softcap your S/L (which will be gone in a matter of seconds by anything that has -def powers, as of course you do not have much defense debuff resistance.)
Of course, with this S/L capped build you can use Darkest Night to apply -tohit to your foes, reducing their chances of hitting you. But, again just ideas of how you could go about making your own Ele/FA . |
Oh, and the build you posted showing how s/l soft capped makes you gimped is simply a crappy build.
"I have ridden the mighty moon worm!"
-Al Gore
Fiery Aura is only good for farming, I'm cereal
@Caucasiafro
wait...you went from a SS/FA to Elec/FA????
j/k
50 Inv/SS Tank, 50 Inv/EM Tank, 50 FA/SS Tank, 50 Shield/SS Tank, 50 WP/SS Tank, 50 Dark/Dark Tank, 50 EM/Elec Brute, 50 SS/FA Brute, 50 SS/SR Brute, 50 Fire/Kin Controller, 50 Plant/Storm Controller, 50 Earth/Therm Controller, 50 Necro/Dark MM, 50 Bots/FF MM, 50 Elec/SD Scrapper, 50 Arch/MM Blaster, 50 Emp/Psi Defender
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It doesn't take that long for you to get hit by massive DD when you only have 30% DDR. Heck, even on my softcapped shield tank with very high DDR still gets his defense lowered to nothingness when facing Romans. True, Shield doesn't have the aura or Burn, but even with Softcapping and higher DDR than FA the defense is lowered. Although, Romans are just a pain to fight on any defense-based character so I suppose if you were facing enemies who were not that reliant on -def powers you would be fine.|
Originally Posted by ultrawatt
Ok, thats simply not true...it actually takes quite some time before -def can be applied when you are soft capped. Infact, on an /FA the mob will likely be dead before you get hit even once.
Oh, and the build you posted showing how s/l soft capped makes you gimped is simply a crappy build. |
The build I showed is capped, and that capping makes it crappy. Notice how I said "if you wanted to play a build with gimped attacks", that means the build sucks. :-P
@War-Nugget
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Originally Posted by War-Nugget
It doesn't take that long for you to get hit by massive DD when you only have 30% DDR. Heck, even on my softcapped shield tank with very high DDR still gets his defense lowered to nothingness when facing Romans. True, Shield doesn't have the aura or Burn, but even with Softcapping and higher DDR than FA the defense is lowered. Although, Romans are just a pain to fight on any defense-based character so I suppose if you were facing enemies who were not that reliant on -def powers you would be fine.
The build I showed is capped, and that capping makes it crappy. Notice how I said "if you wanted to play a build with gimped attacks", that means the build sucks. :-P |
Nah, its just a crappy build. Its not crappy because it's soft capped. You can make a soft capped build A LOT better.
"I have ridden the mighty moon worm!"
-Al Gore
Fiery Aura is only good for farming, I'm cereal
@Caucasiafro
Ultra, show your Ele/FA softcapped build. Still note - I said the build was crappy, and you are saying the build is crappy. Can't our craps get together and you know, get back to the original posters question?
Anyways - Sorry Dark Farmer. Ultra and I murdered your thread :-P
Not knowing what you ended up doing, I wish you well on your Ele/FA plunders.
@War-Nugget
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So ive been on a rip lately of stripping all my toons, restarting them if necessary, Spartan From Hell is a brute of mine on Freedom - for the last year has been a ss/fire/pyre. But im just bored with the SS.. So here is my rebuild for his Elec/Fire/Mu rebuild
Villain Plan by Mids' Villain Designer 1.94
http://www.cohplanner.com/
Level 50 Magic Brute
Primary Power Set: Electrical Melee
Secondary Power Set: Fiery Aura
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Leaping
Ancillary Pool: Mu Mastery
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Level 1: Havoc Punch KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg:35(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx:35(3), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg:35(3), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:35(5)
Level 1: Fire Shield RctvArm-EndRdx:40(A), RctvArm-ResDam:40(5), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg:40(7), RctvArm-EndRdx/Rchg:40(7), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx:40(9)
Level 2: Blazing Aura Sciroc-Acc/Dmg:50(A), Sciroc-Dmg/EndRdx:50(9), Sciroc-Dmg/Rchg:50(11), Sciroc-Acc/Rchg:50(11), Sciroc-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:50(13)
Level 4: Healing Flames Mrcl-Rcvry+:40(A), RgnTis-Regen+:30(13)
Level 6: Build Up GSFC-ToHit:50(A), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg:50(15), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx:50(15), GSFC-Rchg/EndRdx:50(17), GSFC-ToHit/EndRdx:50(17), GSFC-Build%:50(19)
Level 8: Thunder Strike Oblit-Dmg:50(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg:50(19), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg:50(21), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(21), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(23), Oblit-%Dam:50(23)
Level 10: Temperature Protection GA-3defTpProc:50(A)
Level 12: Taunt Mocking-Rchg:50(A), Mocking-Taunt/Rng:50(25), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg:50(25), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg/Rng:50(27), Mocking-Acc/Rchg:50(27)
Level 14: Boxing KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg:35(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx:35(29), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg:35(29), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:35(31)
Level 16: Plasma Shield RctvArm-EndRdx:40(A), RctvArm-ResDam:40(31), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx:40(31), RctvArm-EndRdx/Rchg:40(33), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg:40(33)
Level 18: Chain Induction Mocking-Rchg:50(A), Mocking-Taunt/Rng:50(33), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg:50(34), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg/Rng:50(34), Mocking-Acc/Rchg:50(34)
Level 20: Consume Mocking-Rchg:50(A), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg:50(36), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg/Rng:50(36), Mocking-Acc/Rchg:50(36), Mocking-Taunt/Rng:50(37)
Level 22: Tough RctvArm-EndRdx:40(A), RctvArm-ResDam:40(37), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx:40(37), RctvArm-EndRdx/Rchg:40(50), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg:40(50), S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+:30(50)
Level 24: Weave LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(A)
Level 26: Hasten RechRdx-I:50(A), RechRdx-I:50(39)
Level 28: Burn Oblit-Dmg:50(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg:50(39), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg:50(39), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(40), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(40), Oblit-%Dam:50(40)
Level 30: Maneuvers LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(A)
Level 32: Lightning Rod Armgdn-Dmg:50(A), Armgdn-Dmg/Rchg:50(42), Armgdn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(42), Armgdn-Acc/Rchg:50(42), Armgdn-Dmg/EndRdx:50(43), FrcFbk-Rechg%:50(43)
Level 35: Fiery Embrace RechRdx-I:50(A), RechRdx-I:50(43)
Level 38: Assault EndRdx-I:50(A)
Level 41: Electrifying Fences Enf'dOp-Acc/Rchg:50(A), Enf'dOp-EndRdx/Immob:50(45), Enf'dOp-Acc/EndRdx:50(45), Enf'dOp-Immob/Rng:50(45), Enf'dOp-Acc/Immob/Rchg:50(46), Enf'dOp-Acc/Immob:50(46)
Level 44: Ball Lightning Ragnrk-Dmg:50(A), Ragnrk-Dmg/Rchg:50(46), Ragnrk-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(48), Ragnrk-Acc/Rchg:50(48), Ragnrk-Dmg/EndRdx:50(48)
Level 47: Combat Jumping LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(A)
Level 49: Vengeance LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(A)
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Level 1: Brawl Acc-I:50(A)
Level 1: Fury
Level 1: Sprint EndRdx-I:50(A)
Level 2: Rest IntRdx-I:50(A)
Level 2: Swift Run-I:50(A)
Level 2: Health Numna-Regen/Rcvry+:50(A)
Level 2: Hurdle Jump-I:50(A)
Level 2: Stamina P'Shift-End%:50(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
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Set Bonus Totals:
8.5% DamageBuff(Smashing)
8.5% DamageBuff(Lethal)
8.5% DamageBuff(Fire)
8.5% DamageBuff(Cold)
8.5% DamageBuff(Energy)
8.5% DamageBuff(Negative)
8.5% DamageBuff(Toxic)
8.5% DamageBuff(Psionic)
33.81% Defense(Smashing)
33.81% Defense(Lethal)
20.06% Defense(Fire)
20.06% Defense(Cold)
11% Defense(Energy)
11% Defense(Negative)
6% Defense(Psionic)
29.75% Defense(Melee)
10.38% Defense(Ranged)
20.06% Defense(AoE)
5.4% Max End
3% Enhancement(Immobilize)
63.75% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
57% Enhancement(Accuracy)
5% FlySpeed
73.09 HP (4.876%) HitPoints
5% JumpHeight
5% JumpSpeed
MezResist(Held) 8.25%
MezResist(Immobilize) 8.8%
MezResist(Stun) 4.4%
10.5% (0.175 End/sec) Recovery
10% (0.626 HP/sec) Regeneration
5.04% Resistance(Fire)
5.04% Resistance(Cold)
5% Resistance(Negative)
5% RunSpeed