New WS having troubles with a build


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Hi all,

So I've decided to make a new WS after reading the MF Warshade guide (great guide by the way). I'm usually very competent at creating builds for characters, but I find myself struggling with this one. I don't have Mids in front of me so I can't post what I've worked on, but my question may be rather basic in any case.

With a tri-form WS, what powers are typically the ones to devote slots to? I have some mules in there like the concealment pool and CJ for LotG recharge, but outside of that I'm a bit lost on what is used often enough to get slot attention.

Also, with focusing on recharge, when it's said to shoot for 85% to get eclipse perma, is that with or without hasten running. I want to make sure I'm not overcompensating there by assuming Hasten counts in the totals.

Thanks,

Nicoliy


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Originally Posted by nicoliy View Post
With a tri-form WS, what powers are typically the ones to devote slots to?
What powers do you use most? Generally, Dark Extraction and Gravity Well want slots. Everything else is to taste or build-dependent.

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Also, with focusing on recharge, when it's said to shoot for 85% to get eclipse perma, is that with or without hasten running. I want to make sure I'm not overcompensating there by assuming Hasten counts in the totals.
I believe that's 85% plus the 70% of hasten for a total of 155%. I always just go for perma-hasten.


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Originally Posted by Microcosm View Post
What powers do you use most? Generally, Dark Extraction and Gravity Well want slots. Everything else is to taste or build-dependent.



I believe that's 85% plus the 70% of hasten for a total of 155%. I always just go for perma-hasten.
In terms of powers I use most, I'm not sure yet (just created the character last night). I'm guessing that due to the diverse nature of the character type, it may make sense for me to play a while first and get a feel for my play style. After all, those veteran respects are there for a reason . I'm sure that I'll try to use the forms to the fullest and switch frequently though. I like the thought of double mires and eclipse self buffing.

On a tri build do most attack from Nova, or is it typically a blend of all the forms? I don't tend to hear a lot of talk toward attacking from human form when doing a tri-form build.

Thanks for the help. I'm hoping to make this my second incarnate/heavy IO build.


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Ya, see what you like first. I used all my vetspecs up years ago on my shade

As far as what you attack from, that is going to vary a bit too. I personally stay in Nova as much as possible, as that is generally where the best damage is from. Human is my buff form and Dwarf is a "I accidentally only hit 1 enemy with eclipse"/taunt form. It's also possible, though, that Dwarf will have the highest damage potential against a single hard target, like an AV; I use a different build for that situation.


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All right, so after reading a lot and putting quite a bit of time into Mids, I've come up with the following build. The play style I am looking at is focused on using all forms. I've also stayed away from purples, except the one in Dark Extraction. Would anyone mind looking at this and seeing if I am missing anything valuable here.

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Warshade Build: Level 50 Science Warshade
Primary Power Set: Umbral Blast
Secondary Power Set: Umbral Aura
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Concealment

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Shadow Bolt -- Acc-I(A)
Level 1: Absorption -- S'fstPrt-ResKB(A)
Level 2: Gravimetric Snare -- Acc-I(A)
Level 4: Orbiting Death -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 6: Dark Nova -- P'Shift-End%(A)
Level 8: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(34), RechRdx-I(34)
Level 10: Super Speed -- Clrty-Stlth(A)
Level 12: Sunless Mire -- Sciroc-Acc/Rchg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(13), RechRdx-I(13)
Level 14: Shadow Cloak -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 16: Starless Step -- Acc-I(A)
Level 18: Gravity Well -- BasGaze-Acc/Hold(A), BasGaze-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(19), BasGaze-Rchg/Hold(19), BasGaze-EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(21), Dmg-I(42), Dmg-I(43)
Level 20: Black Dwarf -- ResDam-I(A), ResDam-I(40), P'Shift-End%(42)
Level 22: Stygian Circle -- Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(A), Dct'dW-Rchg(23), Dct'dW-Heal(23), Efficacy-EndMod(25), Efficacy-EndMod/Rchg(25)
Level 24: Nebulous Form -- Zephyr-ResKB(A)
Level 26: Gravitic Emanation -- Rope-Acc/Stun/Rchg(A), Stpfy-Acc/Stun/Rchg(50), Rope-Acc/Stun(50)
Level 28: Unchain Essence -- Posi-Acc/Dmg(A), Posi-Dmg/EndRdx(29), Posi-Dmg/Rchg(29), Posi-Dmg/Rng(40), Posi-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(43)
Level 30: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 32: Dark Extraction -- BldM'dt-Acc/Dmg(A), C'Arms-Acc/Dmg(46), C'Arms-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(48), RechRdx-I(48), RechRdx-I(48), S'bndAl-Build%(50)
Level 35: Quasar -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(42), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(45), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(46), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(46)
Level 38: Eclipse -- ImpArm-ResDam/Rchg(A), TtmC'tng-ResDam/Rchg(39), Acc-I(39), Aegis-ResDam/Rchg(43), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(45), Acc-I(45)
Level 41: Stygian Return -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 44: Stealth -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 47: Invisibility -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 49: Grant Invisibility -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Dark Sustenance
Level 1: Shadow Step -- Jnt-EndRdx/Rng(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 10: Shadow Recall -- Jnt-Rng(A)
Level 2: Swift -- Flight-I(A)
Level 2: Health -- Mrcl-Rcvry+(A)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- P'Shift-End%(A)
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Level 6: Dark Nova Blast -- Decim-Acc/Dmg(A), Decim-Dmg/EndRdx(21), Decim-Dmg/Rchg(31), Decim-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(31), Decim-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(31)
Level 6: Dark Nova Bolt -- Decim-Acc/Dmg(A), Decim-Dmg/EndRdx(33), Decim-Dmg/Rchg(33), Decim-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(33), Decim-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(34)
Level 6: Dark Nova Detonation -- Posi-Acc/Dmg(A), Posi-Dmg/Rchg(7), Posi-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(7), Posi-Dmg/EndRdx(9), Posi-Dmg/Rng(9)
Level 6: Dark Nova Emanation -- Posi-Acc/Dmg(A), Posi-Dmg/EndRdx(11), Posi-Dmg/Rchg(11), Posi-Dmg/Rng(17), Posi-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(17)
Level 20: Black Dwarf Antagonize -- Zinger-Taunt/Rchg(A)
Level 20: Black Dwarf Drain -- C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg(A), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx(15), C'ngImp-Dmg/Rchg(15), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(27), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(27)
Level 20: Black Dwarf Mire -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(3), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(3), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(5), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(5)
Level 20: Black Dwarf Smite -- C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg(A), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx(36), C'ngImp-Dmg/Rchg(36), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(36), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(37)
Level 20: Black Dwarf Step -- Jnt-EndRdx/Rng(A)
Level 20: Black Dwarf Strike -- C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg(A), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx(37), C'ngImp-Dmg/Rchg(37), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(39), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(40)



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It looks alright. A few things:

-You're going to want some heal in Black Dwarf Drain
-Dwarf Mire might want some more endredux
-Eclipse does not need that many Acc IO's
-Dark Extraction has good recharge but poor damage
-Super Speed doesn't need a stealth IO since you can stack it with shadow cloak for full invisibility
-Absorption would rather have Steadfast: res/def or Aegis: Psionic/status resist

Other stuff is more a matter of taste


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So now that I've played more I've done some more tweaking (also considering feedback here and in other threads). Without a doubt I play tri-form with Nova for damage and the other forms mostly for buffing/controlling situations. Perma Eclipse is a main goal.

I have some concerns with the below build I am looking at and was hoping for some feedback:

1. Stygian Circle-Is that too much healing enhancement? I notice the heal is strong on its own, and as I level I'm sure there will be even more bodies. I'm thinking I can save a heal slot here and use it elsewhere.

2. Dark Extraction-Not sold on this slotting. I want to keep the recharge up to have 3 out, but also want to keep damage/accuracy respectable.

3. Eclipse: Just need a gut check here...Accuracy feels low.

4. Dwarf seems endurance heavy to me, especially Mire and Drain.

5. Dwarf Drain: Can someone gut check me on this. I'm trying to have good healing and decent damage as I realize it can hit pretty hard.

6. Any other advice is welcome.


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Warshade Build: Level 50 Science Warshade
Primary Power Set: Umbral Blast
Secondary Power Set: Umbral Aura
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Concealment

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Shadow Bolt -- Acc-I(A)
Level 1: Absorption -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(A)
Level 2: Gravimetric Snare -- Acc-I(A)
Level 4: Orbiting Death -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 6: Dark Nova -- P'Shift-End%(A)
Level 8: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(34), RechRdx-I(34)
Level 10: Super Speed -- Run-I(A)
Level 12: Sunless Mire -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(13), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(13), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(33), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(33)
Level 14: Shadow Cloak -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 16: Starless Step -- Acc-I(A)
Level 18: Gravity Well -- BasGaze-Acc/Hold(A), BasGaze-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(19), BasGaze-Rchg/Hold(19), BasGaze-EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(21), Dmg-I(42), Dmg-I(43)
Level 20: Black Dwarf -- ResDam-I(A), ResDam-I(40), P'Shift-End%(42)
Level 22: Stygian Circle -- Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(A), Dct'dW-Rchg(23), Dct'dW-Heal(23), Efficacy-EndMod(25), Efficacy-EndMod/Rchg(25)
Level 24: Nebulous Form -- Zephyr-ResKB(A)
Level 26: Gravitic Emanation -- Stpfy-Acc/Rchg(A), Stpfy-EndRdx/Stun(33), Stpfy-Acc/EndRdx(34), Stpfy-Acc/Stun/Rchg(50), Stpfy-Stun/Rng(50)
Level 28: Unchain Essence -- Posi-Acc/Dmg(A), Posi-Dmg/EndRdx(29), Posi-Dmg/Rchg(29), Posi-Dmg/Rng(40), Posi-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(43)
Level 30: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 32: Dark Extraction -- BldM'dt-Acc/Dmg(A), SvgnRt-Acc/Dmg(46), ExRmnt-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(48), RechRdx-I(48), RechRdx-I(48), S'bndAl-Build%(50)
Level 35: Quasar -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(42), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(45), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(46), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(46)
Level 38: Eclipse -- ImpArm-ResDam/Rchg(A), TtmC'tng-ResDam/Rchg(39), Acc-I(39), Aegis-ResDam/Rchg(43), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(45)
Level 41: Stygian Return -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 44: Stealth -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 47: Invisibility -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 49: Grant Invisibility -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Dark Sustenance
Level 1: Shadow Step -- Jnt-EndRdx/Rng(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 10: Shadow Recall -- Jnt-Rng(A)
Level 2: Swift -- Flight-I(A)
Level 2: Health -- Mrcl-Rcvry+(A)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- P'Shift-End%(A)
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Level 6: Dark Nova Blast -- Decim-Acc/Dmg(A), Decim-Dmg/EndRdx(21), Decim-Dmg/Rchg(31), Decim-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(31), Decim-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(31)
Level 6: Dark Nova Bolt -- Decim-Acc/Dmg(A)
Level 6: Dark Nova Detonation -- Posi-Acc/Dmg(A), Posi-Dmg/Rchg(7), Posi-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(7), Posi-Dmg/EndRdx(9), Posi-Dmg/Rng(9)
Level 6: Dark Nova Emanation -- Posi-Acc/Dmg(A), Posi-Dmg/EndRdx(11), Posi-Dmg/Rchg(11), Posi-Dmg/Rng(17), Posi-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(17)
Level 20: Black Dwarf Antagonize -- Zinger-Taunt/Rchg(A)
Level 20: Black Dwarf Drain -- Dct'dW-Heal(A), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(15), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg(15), Mako-Acc/Dmg(27), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(27)
Level 20: Black Dwarf Mire -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(3), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(3), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(5), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(5), EndRdx-I(45)
Level 20: Black Dwarf Smite -- C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg(A), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx(36), C'ngImp-Dmg/Rchg(36), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(36), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(37)
Level 20: Black Dwarf Step -- Jnt-EndRdx/Rng(A)
Level 20: Black Dwarf Strike -- C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg(A), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx(37), C'ngImp-Dmg/Rchg(37), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(39), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(40)

I should mention that influence is not much of an issue. I have a few billion now and will have a few more plus A merits by the time I hit 50 and do final purchasing/slotting.

Thanks,


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