At work right now so can't take a detailed look at it, (besides I expect Dechs will chime in eventually anyway regarding the DA part of it) But just at glance I'd say, "Where's the touch of the nictus proc in Dark Regeneration?" That IO is just made for that power.
And just a sorta aside... I've debated this idea of a tanktroller as well, but was thinking of Dark/Stone (along taking the presence pool as you do) to get both stacking fears and stacking disorients and the soft controls of the knockdown... Oh yeah and the hold in Seismic Smash... Just food for thought
The values on the pool power fears are so horrible as to make them almost completely worthless, especially when considering higher con foes. Invoke Panic, Cloak of Fear and Oppressive Gloom are all competing for the same job : minion control. Minions will be handled by Cloak's fear and -tohit combined with Sweep/Weaken combo attacks. Stacking two fears on a lt likely wont last long given CoF's longer tick period.
The fighting pool will help you more.
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That's the crux of it all really. I was working from the presumption that you could stack CoF and Invoke Panic to allow for fears of up to boss level. According to mids, I could keep a group feared for up to 20 seconds. The radius of 8 on CoF also made me wonder if it was effective enough for group control outside of herding. |
Originally Posted by Lohenien
The values on the pool power fears are so horrible as to make them almost completely worthless, especially when considering higher con foes. Invoke Panic, Cloak of Fear and Oppressive Gloom are all competing for the same job : minion control. Minions will be handled by Cloak's fear and -tohit combined with Sweep/Weaken combo attacks. Stacking two fears on a lt likely wont last long given CoF's longer tick period.
The fighting pool will help you more. |
I took OG for the times when the fears aren't covering the whole mob group.
And yeah, I worked up a fighting pool version who gives much better personal protection but wondered about the end usage.
I did forget to use the steadfast for it though so defensive numbers will be slightly higher.
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Dark/stone sounds good but if I was making one of those, i would just concentrate on disorient. You can get recharges going very high on that. Presence line has huuuuge recharge and end requirements... Sounds like that might work better but my guy is currently level 33. I just was working on mids and thought this idea might be a decent one.
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Originally Posted by Starwinds
At work right now so can't take a detailed look at it, (besides I expect Dechs will chime in eventually anyway regarding the DA part of it) But just at glance I'd say, "Where's the touch of the nictus proc in Dark Regeneration?" That IO is just made for that power.
And just a sorta aside... I've debated this idea of a tanktroller as well, but was thinking of Dark/Stone (along taking the presence pool as you do) to get both stacking fears and stacking disorients and the soft controls of the knockdown... Oh yeah and the hold in Seismic Smash... Just food for thought |
BTW, does anyone know the numbers for weaken and is it different for tanks as opposed to scrappers?
I love the concept, but I don't think I'd do it, not with the build you posted at least. And I don't think I could do any better at making a Dark/DB any more effective in the role than you did, either.
The build you posted sacrifices a ton to be more troller than usual, and doesn't pick up near enough value to my mind to make those sacrifices worth while, and not for lack of Inf, either. Even with several purple sets, and a couple of the expensive ones, I still don't think the end result produces enough. I'd agree with the previous posters and say that dumping Presence and focusing more on traditional tanking build would be best in this case, or using a different set as a secondary.
A pity, too, because I'd embrace any good use for the Presence set.
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BTW, does anyone know the numbers for weaken and is it different for tanks as opposed to scrappers?
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I have no idea, and wish I did, too.
I tried to see if Redtomax had it, and frankly, couldn't decipher the notation.
ie Under Typhoon's Edge it shows (among a ton of other details)
"ToHit -7% for 20s If Dual Blade Debuff Mode 2"
but nowhere did I see and explanation of what 'Debuff Mode 2' is.
I ran a dark/db tank to 50 and really did not care for it. Just seemed a mismatch.
I do still have a bs/dark scrap that went with presence and it worked quite well.
A few friends have run dark/stone tanktrollers that are very effective.
You could run a dark/stone/presence and have the best of both worlds.
Stacked stuns (OG, Fault, etc)Stacked fears (CoF, Invoke Panic, etc)
I was planning to run the combo as a brute this time around but I'll post the build since it would be essentially the same for a tank barring a few power order differences.....
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Crystal.Death: Level 50 Mutation Brute
Primary Power Set: Stone Melee
Secondary Power Set: Dark Armor
Power Pool: Presence
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fighting
Ancillary Pool: Energy Mastery
Villain Profile:
Level 1: Stone Mallet -- T'Death-Acc/Dmg(A), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx(3), T'Death-Dmg/Rchg(11), T'Death-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(15), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(23), T'Death-Dam%(42)
Level 1: Dark Embrace -- ResDam-I(A), ResDam-I(5), S'fstPrt-ResKB(43)
Level 2: Heavy Mallet -- T'Death-Acc/Dmg(A), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx(3), T'Death-Dmg/Rchg(13), T'Death-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(15), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(25), T'Death-Dam%(42)
Level 4: Murky Cloud -- ResDam-I(A), ResDam-I(5), S'fstPrt-ResKB(46)
Level 6: Build Up -- GSFC-ToHit(A), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg(7), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx(7), GSFC-Rchg/EndRdx(25), GSFC-ToHit/EndRdx(27), GSFC-Build%(40)
Level 8: Death Shroud -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(9), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(9), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(21), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(27), Oblit-%Dam(43)
Level 10: Obsidian Shield -- ResDam-I(A), ResDam-I(11), S'fstPrt-ResKB(46)
Level 12: Fault -- RzDz-Acc/Rchg(A), RzDz-EndRdx/Stun(13), RzDz-Acc/EndRdx(37), RzDz-Stun/Rng(37), RzDz-Acc/Stun/Rchg(40)
Level 14: Challenge -- Acc-I(A)
Level 16: Dark Regeneration -- M'Strk-Acc/Dmg(A), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx(17), M'Strk-Dmg/Rchg(17), M'Strk-Acc/EndRdx(23), M'Strk-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(29), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(43)
Level 18: Seismic Smash -- T'Death-Acc/Dmg(A), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx(19), T'Death-Dmg/Rchg(19), T'Death-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(21), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(29), T'Death-Dam%(42)
Level 20: Cloak of Darkness -- Krma-ResKB(A), Ksmt-ToHit+(50)
Level 22: Intimidate -- HO:Endo(A), HO:Endo(48)
Level 24: Invoke Panic -- HO:Endo(A), HO:Endo(48)
Level 26: Super Speed -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 28: Cloak of Fear -- HO:Endo(A), HO:Endo(46)
Level 30: Boxing -- RzDz-Acc/Rchg(A), RzDz-EndRdx/Stun(31), RzDz-Acc/EndRdx(31), RzDz-Stun/Rng(31), RzDz-Acc/Stun/Rchg(34)
Level 32: Tremor -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(33), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(33), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(33), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(34), Oblit-%Dam(34)
Level 35: Oppressive Gloom -- RzDz-Acc/Rchg(A), RzDz-EndRdx/Stun(36), RzDz-Acc/EndRdx(36), RzDz-Stun/Rng(36), RzDz-Acc/Stun/Rchg(37)
Level 38: Soul Transfer -- RzDz-Acc/Rchg(A), RzDz-EndRdx/Stun(39), RzDz-Acc/EndRdx(39), RzDz-Stun/Rng(39), RzDz-Acc/Stun/Rchg(40)
Level 41: Superior Conditioning -- P'Shift-End%(A)
Level 44: Physical Perfection -- P'Shift-End%(A), EndMod-I(48), EndMod-I(50)
Level 47: Tough -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(A)
Level 49: Weave -- DefBuff-I(A), DefBuff-I(50)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Fury
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 2: Health -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(A), Mrcl-Rcvry+(45)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- EndMod-I(A), EndMod-I(45), P'Shift-End%(45)
Level 4: Ninja Run
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Set Bonuses:
Touch of Death
(Stone Mallet)
- MezResist(Immobilize) 2.75%
- 22.49 HP (1.5%) HitPoints
- 2.5% DamageBuff(All)
- MezResist(Held) 2.75%
- 3.75% Defense(Melee), 1.875% Defense(Lethal), 1.875% Defense(Smashing)
(Dark Embrace)
- Knockback (Mag -4), Knockup (Mag -4)
(Heavy Mallet)
- MezResist(Immobilize) 2.75%
- 22.49 HP (1.5%) HitPoints
- 2.5% DamageBuff(All)
- MezResist(Held) 2.75%
- 3.75% Defense(Melee), 1.875% Defense(Lethal), 1.875% Defense(Smashing)
(Murky Cloud)
- Knockback (Mag -4), Knockup (Mag -4)
(Build Up)
- 5% JumpSpeed, 5% JumpHeight, 5% FlySpeed, 5% RunSpeed
- 28.11 HP (1.875%) HitPoints
- 2.5% (0.042 End/sec) Recovery
- 2.5% DamageBuff(All)
- 2.5% Defense(Melee), 1.25% Defense(Lethal), 1.25% Defense(Smashing), 2.5% Defense(Ranged), 1.25% Defense(Energy), 1.25% Defense(Negative), 2.5% Defense(AoE), 1.25% Defense(Fire), 1.25% Defense(Cold)
(Death Shroud)
- MezResist(Stun) 2.2%
- 3% DamageBuff(All)
- 9% Enhancement(Accuracy)
- 5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
- 3.75% Defense(Melee), 1.875% Defense(Lethal), 1.875% Defense(Smashing)
(Obsidian Shield)
- Knockback (Mag -4), Knockup (Mag -4)
(Fault)
- 2% (0.033 End/sec) Recovery
- 22.49 HP (1.5%) HitPoints
- 2% Enhancement(Stun)
- 2.5% Defense(Melee), 1.25% Defense(Lethal), 1.25% Defense(Smashing)
(Dark Regeneration)
- MezResist(Sleep) 1.65%
- 0.945% Resistance(Fire,Cold)
- MezResist(Stun) 1.65%
- 1.875% Defense(AoE), 0.938% Defense(Fire), 0.938% Defense(Cold)
- 1.875% Defense(Melee), 0.938% Defense(Lethal), 0.938% Defense(Smashing)
(Seismic Smash)
- MezResist(Immobilize) 2.75%
- 22.49 HP (1.5%) HitPoints
- 2.5% DamageBuff(All)
- MezResist(Held) 2.75%
- 3.75% Defense(Melee), 1.875% Defense(Lethal), 1.875% Defense(Smashing)
(Cloak of Darkness)
- Knockback (Mag -4), Knockup (Mag -4)
(Boxing)
- 2% (0.033 End/sec) Recovery
- 22.49 HP (1.5%) HitPoints
- 2% Enhancement(Stun)
- 2.5% Defense(Melee), 1.25% Defense(Lethal), 1.25% Defense(Smashing)
(Tremor)
- MezResist(Stun) 2.2%
- 3% DamageBuff(All)
- 9% Enhancement(Accuracy)
- 5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
- 3.75% Defense(Melee), 1.875% Defense(Lethal), 1.875% Defense(Smashing)
(Oppressive Gloom)
- 2% (0.033 End/sec) Recovery
- 22.49 HP (1.5%) HitPoints (Exceeded 5 Bonus Cap)
- 2% Enhancement(Stun)
- 2.5% Defense(Melee), 1.25% Defense(Lethal), 1.25% Defense(Smashing)
(Soul Transfer)
- 2% (0.033 End/sec) Recovery
- 22.49 HP (1.5%) HitPoints (Exceeded 5 Bonus Cap)
- 2% Enhancement(Stun)
- 2.5% Defense(Melee), 1.25% Defense(Lethal), 1.25% Defense(Smashing)
(Tough)
- 3% Defense(Melee), 3% Defense(AoE), 3% Defense(Ranged), 3% Defense(Smashing), 3% Defense(Lethal), 3% Defense(Fire), 3% Defense(Cold), 3% Defense(Energy), 3% Defense(Negative), 3% Defense(Psionic)
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Originally Posted by Madadh
I love the concept, but I don't think I'd do it, not with the build you posted at least. And I don't think I could do any better at making a Dark/DB any more effective in the role than you did, either.
The build you posted sacrifices a ton to be more troller than usual, and doesn't pick up near enough value to my mind to make those sacrifices worth while, and not for lack of Inf, either. Even with several purple sets, and a couple of the expensive ones, I still don't think the end result produces enough. I'd agree with the previous posters and say that dumping Presence and focusing more on traditional tanking build would be best in this case, or using a different set as a secondary. A pity, too, because I'd embrace any good use for the Presence set. |
And since you guys seem to be thinking a traditional tank build would be better, here's what I have for that.
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Trefftank: Level 50 Magic Tanker
Primary Power Set: Dark Armor
Secondary Power Set: Dual Blades
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leaping
Ancillary Pool: Leviathan Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Dark Embrace -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(A), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(9), RctvArm-ResDam(9), S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(11)
Level 1: Nimble Slash -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(3), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(3), KntkC'bat-Knock%(5)
Level 2: Murky Cloud -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(11), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(15), RctvArm-ResDam(17)
Level 4: Power Slice -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(5), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(7), KntkC'bat-Knock%(7)
Level 6: Obsidian Shield -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(17), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(23), RctvArm-ResDam(25)
Level 8: Dark Regeneration -- Dct'dW-EndRdx/Rchg(A), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(36), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx(37), Dct'dW-Rchg(37), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(37), Theft-Acc/EndRdx/Heal(39)
Level 10: Death Shroud -- Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(A), Erad-Dmg/Rchg(34), Erad-Dmg(34), Erad-%Dam(34), EndRdx-I(36), EndRdx-I(36)
Level 12: Cloak of Darkness -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(13), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(13), Krma-ResKB(15)
Level 14: Ablating Strike -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(25), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(27), KntkC'bat-Knock%(27), Achilles-ResDeb%(29)
Level 16: Taunt -- Taunt-I(A)
Level 18: Cloak of Fear -- SipInsght-ToHitDeb/EndRdx/Rchg(A), SipInsght-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(19), SipInsght-ToHitDeb(19), SipInsght-Acc/ToHitDeb(21), SipInsght-Acc/Rchg(21), EndRdx-I(23)
Level 20: Typhoon's Edge -- Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(A), Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(29), Erad-Dmg(33), Erad-Dmg/Rchg(33)
Level 22: Blinding Feint -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(43), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(43), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(43)
Level 24: Boxing -- Acc-I(A)
Level 26: Tough -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(40), RctvArm-EndRdx(42), RctvArm-ResDam(42)
Level 28: Vengeful Slice -- Hectmb-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(A), Hectmb-Acc/Rchg(45), Hectmb-Dmg/Rchg(45), Hectmb-Dmg/EndRdx(45), Hectmb-Dam%(46)
Level 30: Weave -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(31), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(31), LkGmblr-Def(31)
Level 32: Soul Transfer -- Amaze-Stun/Rchg(A), Amaze-Acc/Stun/Rchg(33)
Level 35: Sweeping Strike -- Erad-Dmg/Rchg(A), Erad-Dmg(40), Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(48)
Level 38: One Thousand Cuts -- Armgdn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(A), Armgdn-Dam%(50), Armgdn-Dmg/EndRdx(50), Armgdn-Dmg(50)
Level 41: School of Sharks -- GravAnch-Acc/Immob/Rchg(A), GravAnch-Acc/Rchg(42), GravAnch-Immob/EndRdx(46)
Level 44: Arctic Breath -- ShldBrk-Acc/DefDeb(A), ShldBrk-Acc/Rchg(46)
Level 47: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(48), LkGmblr-Def(48)
Level 49: Oppressive Gloom -- HO:Endo(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Gauntlet
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 2: Health -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(A)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- P'Shift-EndMod(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(39), P'Shift-End%(39), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(40)
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That looks like a very interesting build, and very unconventional, but it looks like it could work. I'd be a bit concerned with almost none of your toggles have and end reduction in them, and I generally would urge the Chance for +End proc be added into Dark Regen, but it could be good depending on play style. I'd be curious to hear your feedback after you get to around 40ish. |
Originally Posted by abnormal_joe
I ran a dark/db tank to 50 and really did not care for it. Just seemed a mismatch.
I do still have a bs/dark scrap that went with presence and it worked quite well. A few friends have run dark/stone tanktrollers that are very effective. You could run a dark/stone/presence and have the best of both worlds. Stacked stuns (OG, Fault, etc)Stacked fears (CoF, Invoke Panic, etc) I was planning to run the combo as a brute this time around but I'll post the build since it would be essentially the same for a tank barring a few power order differences..... |
If it works for you, it'd be a very inexpensive build compared to many others, too, which is another plus.
redtomax uses highly specific jargon, such as debuff mode 2, which has specific meaning in the programming area of paragon studios I'm sure. In non programmer speak : -7% tohit when weaken combo is achieved. You can find out these kinds of things by using the detailed info, in game, to avoid redtomax's confusing jargon.
I am an ebil markeeter and will steal your moneiz ...correction stole your moneiz. I support keeping the poor down because it is impossible to make moneiz in this game.
Where are the Theft of Essence procs!?!?!
Seriously, that one IO will solve every endurance problem DA ever could have. It can turn Dark Regeneration into an endurance RECOVERY tool.
Where to now?
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
Where are the Theft of Essence procs!?!?!
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Throwing darts at the board to see if something sticks.....
Come show your resolve and fight my brute!
Tanks: Gauntlet, the streak breaker and you!
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Originally Posted by PapaSlade
Rangle's right....this is fun.
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So, are you suggesting there might be a proc from Theft of Essence that might be of assistance here?|
Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
Where are the Theft of Essence procs!?!?!
Seriously, that one IO will solve every endurance problem DA ever could have. It can turn Dark Regeneration into an endurance RECOVERY tool. |
There! Are you happy now?!?!?!?!?!
Thx bud. I didn't see that one.
Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.942
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Trefftank: Level 50 Magic Tanker
Primary Power Set: Dark Armor
Secondary Power Set: Dual Blades
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leaping
Ancillary Pool: Leviathan Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Dark Embrace -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(A), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(9), RctvArm-ResDam(9), S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(11)
Level 1: Nimble Slash -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(3), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(3), KntkC'bat-Knock%(5)
Level 2: Murky Cloud -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(11), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(15), RctvArm-ResDam(17)
Level 4: Power Slice -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(5), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(7), KntkC'bat-Knock%(7)
Level 6: Obsidian Shield -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(17), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(23), RctvArm-ResDam(25)
Level 8: Dark Regeneration -- Dct'dW-EndRdx/Rchg(A), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(36), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx(37), Dct'dW-Rchg(37), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(37), Theft-+End%(39)
Level 10: Death Shroud -- Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(A), Erad-Dmg/Rchg(34), Erad-Dmg(34), Erad-%Dam(34), EndRdx-I(36), EndRdx-I(36)
Level 12: Cloak of Darkness -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(13), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(13), Krma-ResKB(15)
Level 14: Ablating Strike -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(25), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(27), KntkC'bat-Knock%(27), Achilles-ResDeb%(29)
Level 16: Taunt -- Taunt-I(A)
Level 18: Cloak of Fear -- SipInsght-ToHitDeb/EndRdx/Rchg(A), SipInsght-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(19), SipInsght-ToHitDeb(19), SipInsght-Acc/ToHitDeb(21), SipInsght-Acc/Rchg(21), EndRdx-I(23)
Level 20: Typhoon's Edge -- Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(A), Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(29), Erad-Dmg(33), Erad-Dmg/Rchg(33)
Level 22: Blinding Feint -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(43), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(43), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(43)
Level 24: Boxing -- Acc-I(A)
Level 26: Tough -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(40), RctvArm-EndRdx(42), RctvArm-ResDam(42)
Level 28: Vengeful Slice -- Hectmb-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(A), Hectmb-Acc/Rchg(45), Hectmb-Dmg/Rchg(45), Hectmb-Dmg/EndRdx(45), Hectmb-Dam%(46)
Level 30: Weave -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(31), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(31), LkGmblr-Def(31)
Level 32: Soul Transfer -- Amaze-Stun/Rchg(A), Amaze-Acc/Stun/Rchg(33)
Level 35: Sweeping Strike -- Erad-Dmg/Rchg(A), Erad-Dmg(40), Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(48)
Level 38: One Thousand Cuts -- Armgdn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(A), Armgdn-Dam%(50), Armgdn-Dmg/EndRdx(50), Armgdn-Dmg(50)
Level 41: School of Sharks -- GravAnch-Acc/Immob/Rchg(A), GravAnch-Acc/Rchg(42), GravAnch-Immob/EndRdx(46)
Level 44: Arctic Breath -- ShldBrk-Acc/DefDeb(A), ShldBrk-Acc/Rchg(46)
Level 47: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(48), LkGmblr-Def(48)
Level 49: Oppressive Gloom -- HO:Endo(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Gauntlet
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 2: Health -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(A)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- P'Shift-EndMod(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(39), P'Shift-End%(39), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(40)
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Much happier than I was, yes. Apologies for the ... perhaps excessive reaction. I just couldn't imagine seeing three Dark Armor builds in a thread and not a one with the Theft of Essence proc. That one IO is a very emphatic game changer for Dark Armor. I cannot stress that enough.|
Originally Posted by Shadey_NA
So, are you suggesting there might be a proc from Theft of Essence that might be of assistance here?
There! Are you happy now?!?!?!?!?! |
As for the rest of your build, I can't really comment on it. I don't have mids with me here at the office and I haven't been having much time outside of the office to go over builds. What I can do for you is point you to an old build of mine... It's actually the build that was used in my "Dark Armor Sucks" video. Now it's old, so it doesn't have inherent fitness. But I figure it can give you some ideas at the very least.
Where to now?
Check out all my guides and fiction pieces on my blog.
The MFing Warshade | The Last Rule of Tanking | The Got Dam Mastermind
Everything Dark Armor | The Softcap
don'T attempt to read tHis mEssaGe, And believe Me, it is not a codE.
RE: Dark/stone
As somebody who has a level 50 Earth/storm controller who thinks you can never have too much control, Dark/stone comes across as overkill in the control department. OG, or Fault takes care of such a huge amount of mitigation the other feels not needed even though the stacked stuns let you stun bosses. This is further added as an issue depending on what kind of controllers and doms are on the team. It still will be my main tank for one server, but I think my original idea of how happy I was going to be with it has gone down a little bit.
OK guys, I reworked the tank thanks to all the comments from everyone. I used Dechs build as a template and came up with this.
It's not as trollerish as I started with, but it looks like a strong tank anyway. I'll still have OG and weaken for some troller nature, just not a huge amount anymore.
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Trefftank2: Level 50 Magic Tanker
Primary Power Set: Dark Armor
Secondary Power Set: Dual Blades
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leaping
Ancillary Pool: Leviathan Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Dark Embrace -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), S'fstPrt-ResKB(3), Aegis-ResDam(46), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(46), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(50)
Level 1: Nimble Slash -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(3), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(5), KntkC'bat-Knock%(5)
Level 2: Power Slice -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(7), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(7), KntkC'bat-Knock%(25)
Level 4: Murky Cloud -- RctvArm-ResDam(A), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(43), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(43), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(46)
Level 6: Obsidian Shield -- RctvArm-ResDam(A), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(40), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(42), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(43)
Level 8: Dark Regeneration -- Theft-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(A), Theft-Acc/EndRdx/Heal(9), Theft-+End%(9), Nictus-Acc/EndRdx/Heal/HP/Regen(11), Nictus-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(11), Nictus-Heal/HP/Regen/Rchg(15)
Level 10: Ablating Strike -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(23), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(23), KntkC'bat-Knock%(25)
Level 12: Cloak of Darkness -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(13), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(13), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(15)
Level 14: Death Shroud -- Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(A), Erad-Dmg(33), Erad-Dmg/Rchg(34), Sciroc-Dmg/Rchg(34), Sciroc-Dam%(34), Armgdn-Dam%(37)
Level 16: Typhoon's Edge -- C'ngBlow-Acc/Dmg(A), C'ngBlow-Dmg/EndRdx(17), C'ngBlow-Dmg/Rchg(17), Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(19), Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(19), Erad-%Dam(21)
Level 18: Taunt -- Mocking-Taunt/Rng(A)
Level 20: Blinding Feint -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(21), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(48), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(48), Rec'dRet-ToHit/Rchg(48), Rec'dRet-ToHit(50)
Level 22: Boxing -- Acc-I(A)
Level 24: Tough -- HO:Ribo(A)
Level 26: Weave -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(27), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(27), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(29)
Level 28: Vengeful Slice -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(29), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(31), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(31)
Level 30: Combat Jumping -- Krma-ResKB(A), DefBuff-I(31)
Level 32: Soul Transfer -- Erad-Dmg/Rchg(A), Erad-Dmg(33), Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(33)
Level 35: Sweeping Strike -- Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(A), C'ngBlow-Acc/Dmg(36), C'ngBlow-Dmg/EndRdx(36), C'ngBlow-Dmg/Rchg(36), Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(37), Erad-%Dam(37)
Level 38: One Thousand Cuts -- C'ngBlow-Acc/Dmg(A), C'ngBlow-Dmg/EndRdx(39), C'ngBlow-Dmg/Rchg(39), Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(39), Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(40), Erad-%Dam(40)
Level 41: Spirit Shark -- Thundr-Acc/Dmg(A), Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx(42), Thundr-Dmg/Rchg(42)
Level 44: Arctic Breath -- ShldBrk-Acc/DefDeb(A), ShldBrk-Acc/Rchg(45), ShldBrk-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(45), ShldBrk-DefDeb/EndRdx/Rchg(45)
Level 47: Oppressive Gloom -- HO:Endo(A)
Level 49: Super Jump -- Zephyr-ResKB(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Gauntlet
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 2: Health -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(A)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- EndMod-I(A), EndMod-I(50)
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Set Bonus Totals:
- 14.6% Defense(Melee)
- 26.1% Defense(Smashing)
- 26.1% Defense(Lethal)
- 7.38% Defense(Fire)
- 7.38% Defense(Cold)
- 27.4% Defense(Energy)
- 27.4% Defense(Negative)
- 3% Defense(Psionic)
- 15.2% Defense(Ranged)
- 7.06% Defense(AoE)
- 9% Max End
- 27% Enhancement(Accuracy)
- 15% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
- 217.9 HP (11.6%) HitPoints
- Knockback (Mag -12)
- Knockup (Mag -12)
- MezResist(Confused) 2.5%
- MezResist(Held) 2.5%
- MezResist(Immobilize) 18.5%
- MezResist(Sleep) 2.5%
- MezResist(Stun) 2.5%
- MezResist(Terrorized) 2.5%
- 9% (0.15 End/sec) Recovery
- 40% (3.12 HP/sec) Regeneration
- 5% RunSpeed
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Hey guys, I'm making a Dark/DB tank and was wondering if the concept of a tanktroller would be possible (I know Dark/Ice would be better for that). I can easily see being able to do this during normal gameplay, the question is will this kind of build be ok for the TF/AV tanking roles for large groups that will be expected of a decent tank?
Any opinions or improvements to this build would be appreciated.
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Trefftanktroller: Level 50 Magic Tanker
Primary Power Set: Dark Armor
Secondary Power Set: Dual Blades
Power Pool: Presence
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leaping
Ancillary Pool: Leviathan Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Dark Embrace -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(A), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(9), RctvArm-ResDam(9), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(11)
Level 1: Nimble Slash -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(3), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(3), KntkC'bat-Knock%(5)
Level 2: Murky Cloud -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(11), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(15), RctvArm-ResDam(17)
Level 4: Power Slice -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(5), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(7), KntkC'bat-Knock%(7)
Level 6: Obsidian Shield -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(17), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(23), RctvArm-ResDam(25)
Level 8: Dark Regeneration -- Dct'dW-EndRdx/Rchg(A), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(36), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx(37), Dct'dW-Rchg(37), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(37), Numna-Heal/EndRdx(39)
Level 10: Death Shroud -- Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(A), Erad-Dmg/Rchg(34), Erad-Dmg(34), Erad-%Dam(34), EndRdx-I(36), EndRdx-I(36)
Level 12: Cloak of Darkness -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(13), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(13), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(15)
Level 14: Ablating Strike -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(25), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(27), KntkC'bat-Knock%(27), Achilles-ResDeb%(29)
Level 16: Taunt -- Taunt-I(A)
Level 18: Cloak of Fear -- SipInsght-ToHitDeb/EndRdx/Rchg(A), SipInsght-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(19), SipInsght-ToHitDeb(19), SipInsght-Acc/ToHitDeb(21), SipInsght-Acc/Rchg(21), EndRdx-I(23)
Level 20: Typhoon's Edge -- Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(A), Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(29), Erad-Dmg(33), Erad-Dmg/Rchg(33)
Level 22: Blinding Feint -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(43), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(43), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(43)
Level 24: Provoke -- Acc-I(A)
Level 26: Intimidate -- N'mare-EndRdx/Fear(A), N'mare-Acc/Rchg(31), N'mare-Acc/Fear/Rchg(40)
Level 28: Vengeful Slice -- Hectmb-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(A), Hectmb-Acc/Rchg(45), Hectmb-Dmg/Rchg(45), Hectmb-Dmg/EndRdx(45), Hectmb-Dam%(46)
Level 30: Invoke Panic -- N'mare-Acc/Fear(A), N'mare-EndRdx/Fear(31), N'mare-Acc/Fear/Rchg(31), Abys-EndRdx/Fear(33)
Level 32: Soul Transfer -- Amaze-Stun/Rchg(A)
Level 35: Sweeping Strike -- Erad-Dmg/Rchg(A), Erad-Dmg(40), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(46), Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(48)
Level 38: One Thousand Cuts -- Armgdn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(A), Armgdn-Acc/Rchg(42), Armgdn-Dam%(50), Armgdn-Dmg/EndRdx(50), Armgdn-Dmg(50)
Level 41: School of Sharks -- GravAnch-Acc/Immob/Rchg(A), GravAnch-Acc/Rchg(42), GravAnch-Immob/EndRdx(42)
Level 44: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(46)
Level 47: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(48), LkGmblr-Def(48)
Level 49: Oppressive Gloom -- Rope-EndRdx/Stun(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Gauntlet
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 2: Health -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(A)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- P'Shift-EndMod(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(39), P'Shift-End%(39), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(40)