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1) Yes.|
Originally Posted by Nightchill_EU
Shriek does -20% res for 5 sec
Scream does -20% res for 7 sec Howl does -20% res for 8 sec Shout does -20% res for 10 sec Screech does -20% res for 15 sec 1- Do they stack? My guess is yes. 2- How do they stack? Will 2 Shrieks within 5 sec apply -40% or each power applies a debuff that only stack with other power's debuff? 3- If the later, on single target, eventually stun immune target, should I cast Shout/Scream/Howl/Shriek/Screech to maximise the debuffing or shout I go for Shout/Shriekx3 or Shout/Shriek/Scream/Shriek? |
2) Multiple Shrieks (my understanding) would do -40%, not just -20% for longer duration
3) If on a team, use Screech because of the duration of the -resist. Might do that solo too. I hear some respecing out of Shout because of animation times, so you may consider that if you got enough recharge to live with the other 4.
50s: Bla- Arch/Mental Cont- Mind/FF, Earth/Cold, Ill/Therm, Earth/Rad Dominator- Plant/Psi, Elec/Earth Corr- Fire/Storm, Arch/Sonic, Rad/Kin, Beam/Sonic, Psi/Time Stalker- Elec/SR Def- Storm/Dark, Emp/Psi, Dark/Elec, FF/Arch, TA/Ice, TA/Elec, Kin/AR, Cold/DP, Traps/Psi Scrap- Fire/Shield Tanker- Dark/Mace, Ice/Kin Brute- Claws/WP, SS/Energy, BS/Elec
Isnt Shout DMA higher than the 2 others?
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If you mean Damage/Animation, no (at least not according to Mid's). It's lower than Shriek and the same as Scream, except that most of Scream's damage benefits from its own debuff, making it better. I've got enough recharge in my Son/Son build that I dropped Shout entirely and just use Shriek/Scream for single targets, with Screech tossed in on teams for the added debuff.
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Originally Posted by Nightchill_EU
Isnt Shout DMA higher than the 2 others?
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I tend to use shriek, scream, screech and electric fence since most of my */sonic defenders tend to also have at least one build using Electricity Mastery.
Why elec mastery when Mace let you cap S/L def so easely?
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Elec has better ST damage. And most defenders would go for range def over s/l if they are going for soft cap.
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Originally Posted by Nightchill_EU
Why elec mastery when Mace let you cap S/L def so easely?
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I just checked and it seems that shrieks will not stack with themselves, it seems to refresh the duration.
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Just went to AE. Set up an EB with no attacks and no def for a target. |
Originally Posted by Shadey_NA
I just checked and it seems that shrieks will not stack with themselves, it seems to refresh the duration.
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With the slotting I have now Shriek does 35.04 points of damage on the 1st attack. Fired off shriek when it recharged and did 42.04 damage. Fired again continually when the Shriek was recharged and did 49.05 points of damage Which is 1.4 times 35.04 just as expected.
You have to have enough recharge to be firing it off fast enough to stack it. That might have been the reason why you were not seeing it stack when you tried.
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And at least 2 of my defenders are also Empaths ... recharge, recharge, recharge. My defense is usually teammates, RegenAura boost regeneration (puts me up around 60 hp/sec) and or inspires when I feel the heat is really coming.|
Originally Posted by Pyro_Master_NA
Elec has better ST damage. And most defenders would go for range def over s/l if they are going for soft cap.
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EDIT: Most of them also haven't bothered with side swapping. I do have one Emp/AR/Mace that started in Praetoria and went to the Rogue Isles and let me say that it certainly makes going red for a bit very tempting. Mace for the defense, set bonuses still focused on recharge but Mace is just lovely amounts of +def out of the box ... now toss in a pet for buffing the way an Empath can and OH MY!
EDIT2: In the case of the first to start using Elec Mastery, an Emp/Sonic/Elec >> In Mids, Shriek 100.9 (5 Deci, Apoc proc), Scream 109.08 (the rest of the Apoc+Dev hold proc), EF 95.04 (toxic proc, 2 hold procs and 3 Centrioles). Leaves the range on the attacks nearly identical 80ft, 80ft, and 78ft, damage numbers with Assault running but no vigilance buff (teammates set to 3+) and some global +damage.
Trusting RedTomax's Data we have:
Shriek 0.84 DPA
Scream 0.79 DPA
Shout 0.794 DPA
Elec Fence 0.854 DPA
So elec fence comes slightly first but it doesnt debuff resist so the overall damage value is hugely reduced.
On the other hand this build:
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Let me simply spam Shriek for higher DPS and Resist debuffing.
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You may want to check out this old thread. There's been a lot of useful discussion on this already.
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=195250
Shriek does -20% res for 5 sec
Scream does -20% res for 7 sec
Howl does -20% res for 8 sec
Shout does -20% res for 10 sec
Screech does -20% res for 15 sec
1- Do they stack? My guess is yes.
2- How do they stack? Will 2 Shrieks within 5 sec apply -40% or each power applies a debuff that only stack with other power's debuff?
3- If the later, on single target, eventually stun immune target, should I cast Shout/Scream/Howl/Shriek/Screech to maximise the debuffing or shout I go for Shout/Shriekx3 or Shout/Shriek/Scream/Shriek?
Also if anyone has advices on this Cold/Sonic build Id be happy.
Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1,94
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Zuh Cold: Level 50 Mutation Defender
Primary Power Set: Cold Domination
Secondary Power Set: Sonic Attack
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Fighting
Ancillary Pool: Mace Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Infrigidate -- Acc-I(A)
Level 1: Shriek -- Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(A), Thundr-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(3), Thundr-Acc/Dmg(3), Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx(5), Thundr-Dmg/Rchg(5), Thundr-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(7)
Level 2: Ice Shield -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(7), LkGmblr-Def/Rchg(9)
Level 4: Scream -- Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(A), Thundr-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(9), Thundr-Acc/Dmg(11), Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx(11), Thundr-Dmg/Rchg(13), Thundr-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(13)
Level 6: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(15), RechRdx-I(15)
Level 8: Glacial Shield -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(17), LkGmblr-Def/Rchg(17)
Level 10: Frostwork -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(A), Numna-Heal(19), Numna-Heal/EndRdx(19), Numna-EndRdx/Rchg(25), Numna-Heal/Rchg(31), Numna-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(33)
Level 12: Howl -- Posi-Dam%(A), Posi-Acc/Dmg(21), Posi-Dmg/EndRdx(21), Posi-Dmg/Rchg(23), Posi-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(23)
Level 14: Arctic Fog -- RedFtn-Def(A), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(33), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(33), RedFtn-Def/Rchg(34), RedFtn-EndRdx(34), RedFtn-EndRdx/Rchg(46)
Level 16: Shout -- Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(A), Thundr-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(25), Thundr-Acc/Dmg(27), Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx(27), Thundr-Dmg/Rchg(29), Thundr-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(29)
Level 18: Benumb -- Acc-I(A), RechRdx-I(31), RechRdx-I(31)
Level 20: Super Speed -- Zephyr-ResKB(A), Zephyr-Travel(50)
Level 22: Amplify -- GSFC-Rchg/EndRdx(A), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx(36), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg(36), GSFC-ToHit(36), GSFC-Build%(37), GSFC-ToHit/EndRdx(37)
Level 24: Maneuvers -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(37), Ksmt-ToHit+(46)
Level 26: Sleet -- Achilles-ResDeb%(A), LdyGrey-DefDeb/Rchg(34), LdyGrey-DefDeb/Rchg/EndRdx(43), LdyGrey-Rchg/EndRdx(46)
Level 28: Assault -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 30: Boxing -- Acc-I(A)
Level 32: Heat Loss -- P'Shift-Acc/Rchg(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc/Rchg(42), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(42), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(42)
Level 35: Tough -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), S'fstPrt-ResKB(39)
Level 38: Dreadful Wail -- Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(A), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(39), Oblit-Dmg(39), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(40), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(40), Oblit-%Dam(40)
Level 41: Scorpion Shield -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(43), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(43)
Level 44: Web Cocoon -- BasGaze-Rchg/Hold(A), BasGaze-Acc/Rchg(45), BasGaze-Acc/Hold(45), BasGaze-EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(45)
Level 47: Summon Disruptor -- ExRmnt-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(A), ExRmnt-Acc/Rchg(48), ExRmnt-EndRdx/Dmg/Rchg(48), ExRmnt-Acc/Dmg(48)
Level 49: Weave -- LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(A), LkGmblr-Rchg+(50)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Vigilance
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Health -- Mrcl-Rcvry+(A)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- P'Shift-End%(A), P'Shift-EndMod(50)