Claws/Willpower Scrapper - Build

I'll refrain from commenting seeing how well-received constructive criticisms are so far.

Oh I was responding in general...LOL....no one in particular...I guess I was directing towards "number munchkins" I slot most of my wp's with reactive armors which could be frowned upon by others but it works for me....to each their own...

I was simply asking/conversing about a player style vs the build...the build fails on paper...yes I understand that..I know how the game decides hits/misses/positional/type etc etc ad nauseum....
Also, putting your build up and going "what do you think?" is BEGGING for negativity....but I don't agree with is "Ok...I see your build it's awful, here's what I would do" Assuming everyone builds like you do...was the point....instead of going "slot this and this instead of this" say "Hey, what's your budget like? Why not slot this....and try that and see where you are" or the Curiosity of HOW something you deemed "inept" could possibly work...wouldnt that be understanding all facets of the game? I would want to know personally is all

Everything but the Hami-Os can be obtained with Hero Merits. If I'm patient enough, I can build this for LESS than you spent. You're only looking at the cost of things on the market, without taking into account the fact that you can acquire that stuff by other means.

My typed defenses are significantly higher than yours. Fire and Cold are about the same, but they are also the rarest damage types to find not paired with something else.

And you don't think Rikti and Arachnos use a lot of S/L attacks?

My E/N defense is 7% higher, and my S/L defense is 11% higher. That's a BIG difference when you're talking about defense in the 30-40% range.

On a 100 damage attack, you take 49 damage while I take 51. I'm getting hit significantly less often than you though, so it doesn't even come close to evening out. On average you will be taking 500 points of damage more than me because attacks that hit you did NOT hit me. Resistance is irrelevant when the attack doesn't hit.

And your resistance is only higher because you have the Cardiac Alpha slotted. If I slotted Cardiac mine would equal or surpass yours.

Ever fight an AV? They hit hard. If you get hit a few times in a row you're going to need that regen to keep your face out of the dirt.

Also, the more enemies you have attacking you, the more damage you are going to take, even with high defense. By also having high regeneration I'm in less danger of being killed because I took more damage than I could handle.

Also, I ramped yours up, and when we're both surrounded my regen is a little under 200% higher. Yours is sitting at 984%, mine is at 1166% or so.

Mine can run Focused Accuracy (not slotted for end reduction) if I want without causing my end to bottom out.

Also, using 2 Efficacy Adapters gives me a Max HP bonus. My build has 300 more HP than you because I did things like that. More HP = Better regen.

It doesn't need much in the way of slotting to be an effective power. Everything else I could have taken there required slots I didn't have available to spend.

I can keep Follow Up double stacked fairly consistently, which equals more damage output.

Higher To-Hit means I can fight higher level enemies without suffering a penalty on my final chance to hit them. How accurate are you against +4s? My build stays at 95% against them.

See my above response. Higher level enemies reduce your effective To-Hit, so that accuracy is less beneficial. Adding 60% to 95% is a lot better than adding 60% to 60%.

I didn't mean to leave it toggled on. But my damage is still higher because, as I mentioned above, I can double stack Follow Up on a fairly consistent basis. I don't think you can.

Additionally, I slotted Follow Up as an attack FIRST. My Follow up is dealing 86% more damage than yours is. And my Focus is dealing more than twice as much damage than yours, even taking Follow Up and damage bonuses into account.

In an attack chain of Follow Up - Slash - Focus - Strike -Repeat, I will do a lot more damage than you will. And that's a pretty basic Claws attack chain that doesn't require a great deal of recharge to achieve.

Already addressed this.

A 20% chance for 20% -resistance is better than a 100% chance for 0% -resistance.

It also increases the damage of the entire team against that target, not just yours. You have a damage proc in your Slash, that gives YOU a 20% chance of dealing 71 more damage. My Achille's proc gives the entire team a 20% chance to deal 20% more damage. That adds up to being a much bigger benefit than an extra 71 damage from just you.

Wait, you are using MORE slots to get LESS bonuses....and MY slotting is wasteful?

You gimped the damage of your best attack, and didn't even get the defense bonus Thunderstrike gives for 3 slots.

Look at your attack slotting and the defense bonuses you are getting from it. Touch of Death is a good example: You slotted 6 enhancements and got 1.88% S/L defense. I slotted 4 enhancements and got 3.75% S/L. I also got equal or better enhancement values out of fewer slots spent, because you used 6 and I only used 5.

Your 5 Serendipity netted you .64% F/C defense, and barely more than 1% overall defense from Combat Jumping. The 6 Red Fortune got you 1.25% E/N. The 6 Obliterations got you another 1.88% S/L, while I slotted 3 Eradication for 3.13% E/N

Yes, I'm ignoring the positional bonuses from those powers. Why? because the GAME is ignoring them. With your defense numbers, the only benefit you are gaining from 6 slotting all those sets is the small amounts of typed defense.

That is the point I was making the whole time. You 6 slotted powers that didn't NEED 6 slots, for bonuses that weren't nearly as effective as what you could have gotten in fewer slots from different sets.

It makes no sense to 6 slot powers that don't benefit from the extra slots, like Red Fortune versus LotG. 4 LotG gives you the same defense bonus as 6 Red Fortune, and you end up with 2.5% more recharge.

Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately.

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If you're looking at it from the point of view of asking yourself, "Does this build do what I want/need it to do?" then yes, they're absolutely equal.

If you're looking at it from a numbers or efficiency standpoint, there are huge differences. "Does this build get me increased performance at the lowest cost, and when it doesn't, is any higher cost justified by a significant increase in performance?" This is where your build fails, and it's the point Claws has been trying to get across to you.

Honestly, I don't really care how you built your scrapper.

I was under the impression, since you posted a build of your own volition, that you were seeking advice or feedback on said build. And I gave you both. If you didn't WANT advice or feedback, why post a build for people to look at? And why brag about tanking 2 of the tougher things for a scrapper to do with that build if you weren't expecting criticism?

If *I* posted a build and bragged about what it could do I would fully expect to get some skepticism about it, especially if the build isn't up to the task. Yet you seemed to be posting your build and bragging about what it allegedly did, expecting everyone to just take your word for it in the section of the forums that is KNOWN for having a large amount of game knowledge in it's regulars.

I think your build is horribly inefficient, and could be a hell of a lot better than it is, without spending that much more on it. But you're happy with it, and I'm not going to try and force you to see things my way. I've explained my reasoning as best I can and you still don't see how my build is better, so there's nothing more I care to do in that regard.

I would not be at all happy with that build, because I can tell by looking at it that it would not be capable of doing the things I enjoy in the game.

If I HAD a character high enough on Protector I'd LOVE to see that build tank an ITF and an STF. I'd love to see that build attempt tanking Lord Recluse while the towers are up. I'd love to see that build tank all 5 AVs at the end of the ITF. Because, just from general knowledge of what is required in a build to do those things, I don't think your build is capable of it. Hell, MY build isn't capable of tanking tower-buffed Recluse, I can tell that just looking at it, and I'm not all that confident that it could handle all 5 AVs in the ITF either. That's why I'm skeptical, I know what MY build should be capable of, and those two things are most likely beyond it, so that makes me really question how the hell YOURS did it.

Which brings up the question: When you did those things, what ELSE was on your team? Because I seriously doubt your build is capable of those things without some serious support in the form of buffs and debuffs from teammates.

Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately.

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