Higher DPS: BS/WP or BA/WP?


Amy_Amp

 

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I'm down to trying to decide whether to go BS/ scrapper or BA/ brute on my next toon. I've never tried /WP, so that's where I'm heading on the secondary for this guy. I have a MA/SR, and I'm thinking there has to be higher DPS ST melee toons out there. Maybe it's just "grass is greener" syndrome, but it seems a lot of folks drop stuff faster than I do.

So, since I've settled on /WP, the choice is brute or scrapper, BA or BS? Aesthetically, I'm tending toward BS, but only by a smidgeon. Also, I've never played Katana, so I *might* consider that as well, but really looking for big ugly orange numbers and the sounds that do them justice.

(cross-posted in the brute forum)


 

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It doesn't answer your question directly, but it's worth noting that if you want to do more damage, you should choose a secondary that helps that somehow. /Shield has a +damage buff and Shield Charge, several have damage auras, /Fire also has Burn and Fiery Embrace.

Edit: Which is not to say you can't have a great /WP character, I love mine, but you might still experience damage envy.


 

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A scrapper should win this one in terms of DPS unless I'm really missing something. The brute will be sturdier though.


 

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Originally Posted by Amy_Amp View Post
A scrapper should win this one in terms of DPS unless I'm really missing something. The brute will be sturdier though.
A few hit points doesn't really mean that much.



Scrappers will likely out-DPS everything else because of their higher base damage. Brutes can get close to Scrapper damage with Fury built up, but Scrappers pull ahead when they get buffed by kinetics.

Your builds may need tweaking, or a complete overhaul if you think you aren't doing enough damage. Are you running the top attack chain on your MA Scrapper?

Also, DM/SD has been shown to be the highest ST DPS Scrapper because of Soul Drain being so awesome and Against All Odds buffing damage even more.


 

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Originally Posted by Syntax42 View Post
A few hit points doesn't really mean that much.
A higher res cap does.


 

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A few hit points doesn't really mean that much.
More hit points means more regeneration, which means a lot on a /WP.


 

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Originally Posted by Amy_Amp View Post
A higher res cap does.
The sets basically have the same defensive and resistance values, so the resistance cap is irrelevant in most cases. Only Stone Armor can hit the resist cap for Brutes on S/L. Even Invulnerability is hard to get over 75% S/L resist. Electric and Fire can get to 90% resistance, but only on their sets' specific reistance.



The extra HP/s isn't a huge difference, either. Without seeing actual builds, my guess is 10% difference in regeneration.


 

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Only Stone Armor can hit the resist cap for Brutes on S/L. Even Invulnerability is hard to get over 75% S/L resist.
All it takes is a robust or two for sets like Invuln, or WP.


@OP: If you had asked BS vs. WM I might have been able to make a strong case for Warmace. But I think on the whole, BS is a much better set than BA is.


 

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With I20 being so close, hitting the 90% res cap is very likely. What kind of Destiny buff are you going to grab on a WP? Personally, I'd go with Barrier for sure.

On teams it's likely many people are going to go for the heal/regen/maxHP destiny buff, much of the playerbase is crazy about green numbers. That's a situation in which the brute gets a lot more out of it (thanks to higher HP cap) than the scrapper.

Additionally, with HPT MoB Tough SoW and the PVP +3% res IO, a WP brute can already reach 85% S/L res 40% of the time. Throw in a Cardiac Alpha and you're hitting the cap, although I wouldn't go Cardiac on a WP.

That said I'd go with the BS scrapper, simply because Battle Axe is just "average" (forumically correct way to say it's at the very bottom ).


 

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Originally Posted by Syntax42 View Post
The sets basically have the same defensive and resistance values, so the resistance cap is irrelevant in most cases. Only Stone Armor can hit the resist cap for Brutes on S/L. Even Invulnerability is hard to get over 75% S/L resist. Electric and Fire can get to 90% resistance, but only on their sets' specific reistance.
And then you get on a team where you can get buffed.


 

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Originally Posted by Dr_Occult View Post
I'm down to trying to decide whether to go BS/ scrapper or BA/ brute on my next toon. I've never tried /WP, so that's where I'm heading on the secondary for this guy. I have a MA/SR, and I'm thinking there has to be higher DPS ST melee toons out there.
I just wanted to come back to this, I'm going by Bill Z's numbers here (at the top end of builds)


Scrap Martial Arts
DPS 165.4

Scrap Broadsword
DPS 154.8


I'm not sure Broadsword is really going to give you want you're looking for, if what you are looking for is ST DPS (or WP for that matter).

If what you're really looking for is to "drop stuff faster" than you do now, you really do need to choose a Secondary, and even a primary, that has more AoE damage output.

I might suggest FM/SD - but my first suggestion would be to post your MA/SR build and see if people can't help you tweak that build first.


 

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Originally Posted by Amy_Amp View Post
And then you get on a team where you can get buffed.
In my experiences on the Virtue server, hardly anyone plays a set that buffs resistance.


 

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Originally Posted by Deus_Otiosus View Post
I might suggest FM/SD - but my first suggestion would be to post your MA/SR build and see if people can't help you tweak that build first.
This is for a separate character concept I have: A "Girl Genius" -inspired Jagermonster. I recently got my Cardiac slotted in my MA/SR, so I am going back yet again to rework the end-game build to not need so much recovery. One thing is that I've become addicted to Hasten now, so want to get the recharge and damage boosted some, at the expense of recovery and regen.


 

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One thing is that I've become addicted to Hasten now, so want to get the recharge and damage boosted some, at the expense of recovery and regen.
Then I recommend downloading Mids Hero Designer if you don't already have it, putting your build together and posting it in this forum for tweaking.


 

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I've been doing so in the "MA/SR in progress" thread, but I don't think the last build posted there is my current plan. Once I go back to the drawing board and build less for recovery and more for recharge and damage, I'll post again and ask for improvements.