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Lucky for you ice has been changed pretty significantly, namely, frozen aura is now the exact same damage/rech as foot stomp and it's COLD damage. The sleep is just handy cause it detoggles folks, but it does considerable damage now, with lightning reflexes to back it up with speed or SD with damage you really should be able to pack a punch.|
Originally Posted by Amir
Ice melee really lacks damage which I found out the hard way. So until they proliferate ice melee to another AT I came up with two builds that may help rememdy this.
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Also, I don't know what you're reading in to, but frost, if you don't already know is simply one of the best attacks tankers get. Slot atleast one range in it, it activates super fast, does great damage (3 ticks, but it's not light) recharges quickly, and works excellent as a PBAoE if you jump before you fire it off. Very easy to hit 10 enemies with it.
I'm currently working an ice/ice up now, but between frost and frozen aura I have no problem holding my own in the AoE damage arena... it's just single targets that can hurt. Take advantage of bruising, for single targets my attack chain tends to be FF->FT->IS->*frost or Ice bolt*(whatever extra attack you like) repeat. It doesnt seem like much, but after you complete the chain once and have 2-3 DoT's anticking away on a likely held enemy at-20%res it's not so bad.
**Not at home, so can't check mids right now**
"Fascinating. I'm not bored at all, I swear." -Kikuchiyo
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This second data chunk is also your elec/ice build. Could you post your sd/ice? SD/ICE gets my vote because of AAO, which boosts IM's damage. If shields were out when I made my Ice/Ice I probably would have made a SD/Ice and an Ice/Elec tank. IM is great in terms of AoE damage. The problem to fix is ST damage to use against bosses. FF>FT>IS>Epic attack is a great attack chain that is quick.|
Originally Posted by Amir
The second build is SD/Ice. This is one I really like and have considered. Soft-capped and the damage is the highest I've gotten for Ice Melee (with B'UP and AAO).
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You took GIS on your Elec/ build. Skip it altogether. There's a thread discussing it here: http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=255836 and a great guide by dave_p here: http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=186523. Basically GIS sucks as the final attack in the set.
Leveling with IM can be a bit of a pain. If you have to solo I recommend herding a group of baddies (as many as you can survive) and let your AoEs take them out, ignoring bosses. When I got to around level 35 I spent a lot of time doing this with Freaks in Crey's Folley.
SG: Guadians of Paragon - VG: Paragon's Darkness
The Usual Suspects: Fimboolvetr (Icer Tank), Tsukiyomi (Mind/Psi/Ice Dom), Smiting Dragon (Dm/Sr Scrap), Widow Mortis (NW)
Up and Comers: Ameterasu (Km/Reg Scrap), Arrhymian (Elec/Nin Stalk), TDMKII (Bot/Traps MM)
I played a WP/Ice up to the mid 20's and totally didnt like it. This was about a year ago? I did not like Frost, and I'll admit I didn't really give it a chance....I find it so hard to believe GIS is skippable, but alright. I put a new SD/Ice build below. Maybe after I'm tired of my alts I'll make this:
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Wasn't Frost's range increased slightly a few patches ago?
Teams are the number one killer of soloists.
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Not sure when it was buffed, but Frost's base range is 10 and can be extended to 14-15'. 15' with a 90 degree cone is pretty awesome.|
Originally Posted by SerialBeggar
Wasn't Frost's range increased slightly a few patches ago?
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To the OP: IMO, you took a rather haphazard way of softcapping using bonuses that are primarily type/secondary positional. Take a look at this one.
Couple of notes: not as much exotic resistance as your build, but way more regen/hp. Crammed in more recharge too. Notice the Call of the Sandman proc in FA? It's actually pretty helpful since you have not other heal if you keep yourself surrounded with mobs. Also changed the epic pool to Soul Mastery because DN is that awesome for tanks (slotted like it is it's a 15% tohit debuff to stack onto your defense) and Gloom does a great job filling out Ice's ST attack chain.
Biggest downside? End use. Probably wouldn't spec into this build until you gotten the 4 passive hp/end accolades and a Cardiac Alpha.
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Level 50 Magic Tanker
Primary Power Set: Shield Defense
Secondary Power Set: Ice Melee
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Speed
Ancillary Pool: Soul Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Deflection -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(9), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(21), LkGmblr-Def(33)
Level 1: Frozen Fists -- Mako-Acc/Dmg(A), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(3), Mako-Dam%(7), T'Death-Acc/Dmg(17), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(50), T'Death-Dam%(50)
Level 2: Ice Sword -- Mako-Acc/Dmg(A), Mako-Dmg/EndRdx(3), Mako-Dmg/Rchg(7), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(15), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(43), Mako-Dam%(50)
Level 4: Frost -- Posi-Acc/Dmg(A), Posi-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(5), Posi-Dmg/EndRdx(5), Posi-Dmg/Rng(15), Posi-Dam%(43), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg/Rng(48)
Level 6: Battle Agility -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(9), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(21), LkGmblr-Def(33)
Level 8: Against All Odds -- EndRdx-I(A), Taunt-I(13)
Level 10: Active Defense -- HO:Membr(A), HO:Membr(11)
Level 12: Boxing -- Acc-I(A)
Level 14: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(31), Ksmt-ToHit+(40)
Level 16: True Grit -- Numna-Heal(A), Numna-Heal/EndRdx(17), Numna-Heal/Rchg(34), RgnTis-Regen+(40)
Level 18: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(19), RechRdx-I(19)
Level 20: Ice Patch -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 22: Tough -- Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(A), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(23), Aegis-ResDam(23), Aegis-EndRdx/Rchg(34), Aegis-ResDam/Rchg(43)
Level 24: Weave -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(25), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(25), LkGmblr-Def(34)
Level 26: Shield Charge -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(27), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(27), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(31), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(37), Oblit-%Dam(46)
Level 28: Freezing Touch -- BasGaze-Acc/Hold(A), BasGaze-Acc/Rchg(29), BasGaze-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(29), BasGaze-EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(31), Dmg-I(37), Dmg-I(46)
Level 30: Phalanx Fighting -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 32: One with the Shield -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), S'fstPrt-ResDam/EndRdx(33)
Level 35: Build Up -- AdjTgt-Rchg(A), AdjTgt-ToHit/Rchg(36), AdjTgt-ToHit/EndRdx/Rchg(36), AdjTgt-EndRdx/Rchg(36), AdjTgt-ToHit/EndRdx(37)
Level 38: Frozen Aura -- Oblit-Acc/Rchg(A), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(39), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(39), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(39), Oblit-Dmg(40), CSndmn-Heal%(46)
Level 41: Gloom -- Decim-Acc/Dmg(A), Decim-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(42), Decim-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(42), Decim-Dmg/Rchg(42), Decim-Dmg/EndRdx(48)
Level 44: Darkest Night -- DarkWD-ToHitDeb/EndRdx(A), DarkWD-ToHitdeb/Rchg/EndRdx(45), DarkWD-Rchg/EndRdx(45), DarkWD-ToHitDeb(45)
Level 47: Taunt -- Range-I(A)
Level 49: Grant Cover -- HO:Cyto(A)
Level 0: Portal Jockey
Level 0: Task Force Commander
Level 0: The Atlas Medallion
Level 0: Freedom Phalanx Reserve
Level 50: Cardiac Core Boost
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Gauntlet
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 2: Health -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(A), Numna-Heal(13), Numna-Heal/EndRdx(48)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- EndMod-I(A), EndMod-I(11)
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Set Bonus Totals:
- 11% DamageBuff(Smashing)
- 11% DamageBuff(Lethal)
- 11% DamageBuff(Fire)
- 11% DamageBuff(Cold)
- 11% DamageBuff(Energy)
- 11% DamageBuff(Negative)
- 11% DamageBuff(Toxic)
- 11% DamageBuff(Psionic)
- 4.875% Defense(Smashing)
- 4.875% Defense(Lethal)
- 7.688% Defense(Fire)
- 7.688% Defense(Cold)
- 7.375% Defense(Energy)
- 7.375% Defense(Negative)
- 3% Defense(Psionic)
- 6.75% Defense(Melee)
- 8% Defense(Ranged)
- 7.688% Defense(AoE)
- 2.25% Max End
- 45% Enhancement(Accuracy)
- 77.5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
- 267.05 HP (14.25%) HitPoints
- MezResist(Held) 3.3%
- MezResist(Immobilize) 12.1%
- MezResist(Stun) 4.4%
- 8.5% (0.142 End/sec) Recovery
- 64% (5.007 HP/sec) Regeneration
- 1.575% Resistance(Fire)
- 1.575% Resistance(Cold)
- 1.26% Resistance(Energy)
- 1.26% Resistance(Negative)
- 5% RunSpeed
- 2.5% XPDebtProtection
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SG: Guadians of Paragon - VG: Paragon's Darkness
The Usual Suspects: Fimboolvetr (Icer Tank), Tsukiyomi (Mind/Psi/Ice Dom), Smiting Dragon (Dm/Sr Scrap), Widow Mortis (NW)
Up and Comers: Ameterasu (Km/Reg Scrap), Arrhymian (Elec/Nin Stalk), TDMKII (Bot/Traps MM)
For year now I've been thinking of trying an Ice melee and around that time I rolled a WP/Ice tank. I was happy with the WP and very happy with her costume
, but she was very lacking in the damage department. I deleted her, but my urge to make an Ice melee burned brighter.
Ice melee really lacks damage which I found out the hard way. So until they proliferate ice melee to another AT I came up with two builds that may help rememdy this.
This first is Ela/Ice tank. I decided to "hike" up the recharge on this build, so even though the damage may still not be super it will make up for it in application:
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The second build is SD/Ice. This is one I really like and have considered. Soft-capped and the damage is the highest I've gotten for Ice Melee (with B'UP and AAO).
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Now I am not expert build maker and I do not do frankenslotting, but I thought these were decent enough. I'm sure some of you out there can do better so give it a shot! Feedback, ideas, etc. I want to see more Ice Melee!!!