Please help me decide!
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ClawsandEffect,
Posted on: 2011-03-14 10:58 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
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The advantage of Fire Melee's DoT's being affected by Fury and not Criticals is sometimes overstated. Looking at the numbers for Cremate, the DoT accounts for a quarter of the damage, and Criticals for one tenth of that. |
Originally Posted by Wanted_NA
So, I want to make a Fiery Melee/Will Power toon.
I'm trying to decide between a scrapper or a brute. What I'm thinking is: WP will be better on a brute because of the better base HP. Plus Fiery Melee has a ton of DoTs which Fury affects while criticals don't carry on to DoTs. I'm trying to see if there are any aspects where a FM/WP scrapper will be better than a brute in, but can't really think of any really. So yeah, am I missing anything? Or is a Fiery Melee/WillPower brute superior to a scrapper in pretty much all areas? |
That's a difference of 2.5% from otherwise expected performance, and that's the outside case. Fire Swords have an 80% chance per tick to stop ticking mid DoT and Incinerate delivers all its damage on a critical.
That said, Willpower will have a higher regen rate and maxHP, and without a consistent damage buff from the primary or secondary the damage will be pretty comparable. Throw in outside damage buffs or Musculature Alphas and the equation changes in favor of the Scrapper, but absent such things you'll probably be fine, damagewise, on a Brute.
WP has a lot of regen and some +HP so it's going to be better on a Brute than a Scrapper (any defensive set is better on a higher base HP AT but regen based ones even more so than usual), but in general the Scrapper will do slightly more damage. Unbuffed the differences aren't that big so really they're still pretty close to each other solo, but on teams as you add in buffs the Scrapper will start doing noticeably more damage and the Brute will start getting significantly harder to kill... plus the Brute will tend to have a "go, go, go" playstyle to maintain fury while the Scrapper can afford to take his time (not that most Scrappers don't also rush ahead 
). So really it all comes down to which playstyle you prefer and what role you prefer on teams... though ultimately both will hit like freight trains and be hard to kill so you may never really see much difference at all unless you really look for it.
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Correct. A Brute can get around 2800 or so max HP with slotted HPT and some accolades/bonuses, a scrapper tops out at about 2200 or so (at least that's the most *I* could get out of it, might be possible to get more) |
Originally Posted by Wanted_NA
WP will be better on a brute because of the better base HP.
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Out of all the combinations that are shared by the 2 ATs, some will be better on brutes and some will be better on scrappers. Fire/WP is one that will be better on brutes. Electric/Shield is a good example of one that is better on scrappers.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
As already said, FM/WP is better on brutes, for the reasons stated. Also worthy of note is GFS was slightly reduced in base damage when ported to scrappers - that is, it still does more than the brute version, but less than the AT mods should account for ; so it's a better power on a brute.
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Yeah, that's about the max I managed to get too. |
Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
Correct. A Brute can get around 2800 or so max HP with slotted HPT and some accolades/bonuses, a scrapper tops out at about 2200 or so (at least that's the most *I* could get out of it, might be possible to get more)
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Yeah, pretty much. Out of all the combinations that are shared by the 2 ATs, some will be better on brutes and some will be better on scrappers. Fire/WP is one that will be better on brutes. Electric/Shield is a good example of one that is better on scrappers. |
Alright..thanks for the answers guys.
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I haven't played the set, but from what I understand about how Concentrated Strike works I would assume so. |
Originally Posted by Wanted_NA
I would also assume that Kinetic Melee/ Anything is better on scrappers than brutes too, right?
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For the record, my saying Fire/WP is better for brutes has more to do with the WP side being better. Fire Melee on both ATs is so close that it's basically a wash as far as damage output goes.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
I actually decided to go with a scrapper. Mainly because of what you just said, Claws and Effects. I'm mainly looking for the damage more than survivability, as WP scrappers are extremely survivable anyways, my DB/WP rarely dies, if ever. And I'm planning to softcap S/L 33% on the rest. Since the damage on both is so close I figured going with the scrapper is better because of this:
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Originally Posted by StrykerX
plus the Brute will tend to have a "go, go, go" playstyle to maintain fury while the Scrapper can afford to take his time (not that most Scrappers don't also rush ahead
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Once again all the advice appreciated!
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So, I want to make a Fiery Melee/Will Power toon.
I'm trying to decide between a scrapper or a brute. What I'm thinking is: WP will be better on a brute because of the better base HP. Plus Fiery Melee has a ton of DoTs which Fury affects while criticals don't carry on to DoTs. I'm trying to see if there are any aspects where a FM/WP scrapper will be better than a brute in, but can't really think of any.
So yeah, am I missing anything? Or is a Fiery Melee/WillPower brute superior to a scrapper in pretty much all areas?
@Sparky Jenkins || Freedom Server | Union Server
Main Hero: Inferno Sparky - Fire/Fire Blaster
Main Villain: Kerry Astrid - Fire/Cold Corruptor