The best possible attack chain is BF/AS/SS/AS, so with bruising it would be the same chain times two, with nimble slash added once before it. However, that chain requires a lot of recharge to run more efficiently than AV, and obscene levels of recharge in order to run it seamlessly(+313% recharge on AS).
The only place where you'd miss VS, assuming you have the sufficient recharge for the top chain, is while exemping down and on -recharge debuff environments(Tin Mage's TF). Considering you're a tanker and not a scrapper, I would rather take an Invuln passive over VS.
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The best attack chain that I know of is actually BF/AS/SS/AS, at very high levels of recharge. I could be mistaken, though.
For anti-archvillain work, you would want the Achilles Heel Proc in AS, and the Gladiator's Fury in SS. You would easily be able to keep 40% negative resists on your target. Adding in NS would increase that to 60%, but would produce a DPS hit. The bruising debuff lasts for ten seconds, so I would throw it in every two or three attack chains. The DPS hit will be more than made up for by the debuff.
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All true - though Electric Armor has lightning reflexes to increase the available recharge, and Ice Armor is immune to recharge debuffs. Both might be worth considering for a Dual Blades tanker.
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Originally Posted by Auroxis
The best possible attack chain is BF/AS/SS/AS, so with bruising it would be the same chain times two, with nimble slash added once before it. However, that chain requires a lot of recharge to run more efficiently than AV, and obscene levels of recharge in order to run it seamlessly(+313% recharge on AS).
The only place where you'd miss VS, assuming you have the sufficient recharge for the top chain, is while exemping down and on -recharge debuff environments(Tin Mage's TF). Considering you're a tanker and not a scrapper, I would rather take an Invuln passive over VS. |
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I doubt that's true, considering the 20% chance for the procs to go off.
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Originally Posted by Smersh
For anti-archvillain work, you would want the Achilles Heel Proc in AS, and the Gladiator's Fury in SS. You would easily be able to keep 40% negative resists on your target. Adding in NS would increase that to 60%, but would produce a DPS hit.
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If you're running a high-recharge attach chain, the Achilles Heel proc stays up fairly constantly. I have to admit, I haven't played with the Fury of the Gladiator in my Dual Blades character. A quick look at the numbers indicates that you're right - the debuff would likely be up more than it's down, but not 100% of the time.
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Originally Posted by Auroxis
I doubt that's true, considering the 20% chance for the procs to go off.
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-Don't just rebel, build a better world, comrade! One could put figures into excel, and in a very short time workout the best attack chain. I did it ages ago but on another poot poot including the DoT of AV and I pretty much gone with that ever since. Builds will be different and you've got to account for arcana and rechg times of your own build but I'd imagine the differences not to be vast. Easiest thing is to ask in scrapper section cos they seem to be the types who always did theirs and other peoples maths homework. Try BF-AV-NS (Res debuff from NS is good for team mates anyway) just as a guess.
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"Fairly consistently" still isn't the same as "all the time", though.| If you're running a high-recharge attach chain, the Achilles Heel proc stays up fairly constantly. |
Seamless BF -> AS -> SS -> AS = 5.28s, with 2 uses of the Achilles proc.
That's 2*10/5.28 = 3.78 uses per 10 seconds, so given a 20% chance for it to go off, roughly 75% of the time (actually lower than that ingame because it will activate when it is already up, refreshing but effectively "wasting" part of the duration of the previous one).
As for the topic at hand, I'd just swap one AS for NS every two chains, (i.e., BF -> NS -> SS -> AS -> BF -> AS -> SS -> AS, repeat) ; just my gut feeling and not the result of any analysis, but as BF -> AS -> SS -> AS relies heavily on BF and -res proc stacking, I think it's probably better to switch one AS for NS than to throw off the whole pace by adding a NS every two chains.
Bruise lasts for 10s so the tier 1 every 10s is okay
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My plan for my Invuln/DB (who unfortunately was deleted to make mor eroom, I wasn't playing him at all) was to run Nimble Slash-Blinding Feint-Attack Vitals. It's still a solid chain that will incorporate up to 60% -res, and it requires zero global recharge (so, basically just get at least 70% recharge on all the powers and you're golden)
I figured I could use that chain, which didn't need any recharge bonuses, and focus the rest of my slotting on survivability. Just food for thought.
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I have been led to believe that the best ST DPS chain for DB, at least pre-Bruising, is a chain that eschews combos entirely; BF -> AS -> SS.
If this is the case, I'm thinking about dropping one of the powers needed for AV. If I try to take both Sweep and AV, I have to take every power in DB, which means I miss out on one of the passives in my primary (Inv). I really want Sweep for the mitigation and PBAOE. So, if AV isn't needed for the best ST chain DB can put out, I'd rather just chain Sweep for AOE damage and use the above chain for ST.
Two questions for DB vets:
1.) Is this basically correct? (i.e. max DPS is without AV)
2.) How does Bruising affect the attack chain? Should I stick a NS in before the BF?