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It looks like the only thing you changed from the build I put together was taking Stimulant instead of Aid Other. I would think Aid Other would come in useful more often than Stimulant, but I could be wrong. In looking over it again, I don't see anything that could be greatly improved, though I'd really reccommend getting the +HP Accolades: +HP really helps /SR survivability.|
Originally Posted by Fantomas
Thanks to Gaidin for your help on this build. I just wanted to get a final opinion from you guys before I go spending cash on it.
Anyone see anything that's just horribly off? |
Now go kill some AVs!
<edit> Also, for anyone looking, the build is designed to not use Purples or PvP IOs and ET is for concept.
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I think Stimulant is better. Aid Other is a weak heal with low range, and anytime spent healing is time you could have been doing damage - which often is a better way to help your squishie friend, i.e. by defeating that boss pounding him rather than spend five seconds to heal a third of the damage he'll take from each blow.| I would think Aid Other would come in useful more often than Stimulant, but I could be wrong. |
On the other hand, Stimulant can be used preemptively before a tough battle, during downtime, and it's also great to get people back on their feet faster after they pop a wakie (they don't always have a breakfree handy). I've even used it in the middle of AV fights, when I see a squishie getting mezzed by what I know is a very long mez (i.e. malta stun grenades in the second RSF mission).
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Those points may be quite valid, but I tend to have pretty focused scrapperlock, and I generally keep tabs on teammates through watching their health bars in the team tab, as opposed to their actual toon. This, generally, makes Aid Other a more viable method of assistance to teammates than Stimulant for me. It's also useful between fights to help raise everyone's green bars.|
Originally Posted by Nihilii
I think Stimulant is better. Aid Other is a weak heal with low range, and anytime spent healing is time you could have been doing damage - which often is a better way to help your squishie friend, i.e. by defeating that boss pounding him rather than spend five seconds to heal a third of the damage he'll take from each blow.
On the other hand, Stimulant can be used preemptively before a tough battle, during downtime, and it's also great to get people back on their feet faster after they pop a wakie (they don't always have a breakfree handy). I've even used it in the middle of AV fights, when I see a squishie getting mezzed by what I know is a very long mez (i.e. malta stun grenades in the second RSF mission). |
Sooo, to sum up, Fantomas, choose whichever works for you, since it has zero impact on your personal survivability or DPS.
I think the consensus is that Sting of the Wasp is better than Gamblers Cut from a damage perspective. However, the animiation is a little cooler for Gambler's.
I do not see Elude in this build. This power is a godsend and can get you out of some tight jams. My Kat/SR got it asap and has it three slotted with Recharge. It lasts longer than you would expect and eating a blue inspiration afer it drops will be enough to get all your toggles back on. I really only use Elude on boss fights so as not to worry about it dropping at a bad time. I can usually defeat what I am fighting before it pops most of the time. I would certainly drop Energy Torrent (you dont want anything that is going to push mobs away from you) in favor of Elude.
I am at work atm so I cant post my build, but with Kat/SR you want to take all of your secondaries and all but the Taunt for your primaries (Calling of the Wolf I think). Going with Fighting for Tough and Weave is a nice idea to bump up your defenses/res.
As for slotting, all my attacks are 6 slotted, and I think 1/3 or 2/3 of my secondary toggles are six slotted all have Luck of the Gambler in them. All of my passives (sans Quickness) are only two slotted with straight defense IO's (three slotting these is probably fine).
My Build Up is three slotted with Recahrge IO's, but I havent actually looked into the sets to see if they were worth it, so you may know something I don't.
I am not sure you need to four slot Health - I have mine 2 slotted with the global IO for Numina's and the other Health set (can't remember the name). There is a third global IO for health that I would probably slot in if you went down to three. Those are all pretty expensive IO's though and I honestly havent purchased them yet myself, but it is a "dream" build so to speak. Overall, the idea with SR is that you shouldnt need a high pool of HP or Regen since you "theoretically" shouldnt be getting hit.
Same thing goes with Stamina - I have mine three slotted with Stamina IO's - never looked into the sets for that either since they are passive and you dont need any of the other stats like Acc, Recharge, End Red, etc - so you may want to stick with some globals or just the Stamina IO's.
I have stuck with the same build for my Kat/SR's career and she is one of my favorite characters. Things are getting a bit tougher with i19 and I did junk Darkness Mastery for Body Mastery (I took Focused Accuracy instead of Energy Torrent) and added the Fighting pool to replace the Fitness stuff. My Recovery usd to be enough, but having to actually stop and rest again now - APPARENTLY 7 toggles is pushing it, LOL.
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This is absolutely incorrect. GC is superior. He does not need DA, as he is soft-capped, and since he's running the top DPS kat chain of GD>GC>SD>GC, he does not need SotW, as it is extraneous.|
Originally Posted by Wytchven
I think the consensus is that Sting of the Wasp is better than Gamblers Cut from a damage perspective.
...but with Kat/SR you want to take all of your secondaries and all but the Taunt for your primaries |
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Originally Posted by Wytchven
I do not see Elude in this build. This power is a godsend and can get you out of some tight jams.
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Overall, the idea with SR is that you shouldnt need a high pool of HP or Regen since you "theoretically" shouldnt be getting hit.
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I'm not going to comment on the rest of your post, as you admit to not knowing much about set bonuses, but I would recommend looking through some Kat/ and /SR guides and/or threads to get accurate information before making build recommendations that could be misleading to those who don't know to look further for accurate information.
Confirming what Gaidin said and continuing on:
- Gambler's Cut is better than Sting of the Wasp.
- Elude is mostly pointless on a soft cap build.
- You only take all the attacks if you value variety over efficiency.
- You probably want a Gaussian set somewhere, even if Build Up isn't the ideal spot.
- The idea with Super Reflexes is that defense is easily covered, allowing you to focus more on other aspects of survivability like hit points and regeneration.
- Performance Shifter has great set bonuses. Six slotting is a reasonable approach if you need that much recovery.
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Ya, I tried to make some changes but they were all inferior to what you had. The original build was in I18 mids so there were some extra slots set aside for Stamina. All I did was switch Aid Other to Stimulant and 6-slot Stamina with the Perf Shifter set for the AOE bonus since it wasn't quite softcapped.|
Originally Posted by Gaidin
It looks like the only thing you changed from the build I put together was taking Stimulant instead of Aid Other. I would think Aid Other would come in useful more often than Stimulant, but I could be wrong. In looking over it again, I don't see anything that could be greatly improved, though I'd really reccommend getting the +HP Accolades: +HP really helps /SR survivability.
Now go kill some AVs! <edit> Also, for anyone looking, the build is designed to not use Purples or PvP IOs and ET is for concept. |
Do you guys think it would be worthwhile to put a Winters Gift: Slow Resistance into SS?
I finally have the cash to make this build happen and I plan on starting it tonight. After all of this time on the forums I have yet to attempt any AV soloing, Pylons...anything. What would be a good starting point for this build?
Thanks again!
Thanks to Gaidin for your help on this build. I just wanted to get a final opinion from you guys before I go spending cash on it.
Anyone see anything that's just horribly off?
Thanks.
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Quinlan Von - I19: Level 50 Magic Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Katana
Secondary Power Set: Super Reflexes
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Medicine
Ancillary Pool: Body Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Gambler's Cut -- C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg(A), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx(3), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(3), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(5), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(5), Achilles-ResDeb%(7)
Level 1: Focused Fighting -- LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(A), LkGmblr-Def(7), LkGmblr-Rchg+(9)
Level 2: Focused Senses -- LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(11), LkGmblr-Def(11), LkGmblr-Rchg+(39)
Level 4: Flashing Steel -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(13), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(15), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(15), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(17), Oblit-%Dam(17)
Level 6: Build Up -- GSFC-ToHit(A), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg(19), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx(19), GSFC-Rchg/EndRdx(21), GSFC-ToHit/EndRdx(21), GSFC-Build%(23)
Level 8: Agile -- LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(A), LkGmblr-Def(9), LkGmblr-Rchg+(46)
Level 10: Practiced Brawler -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 12: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(13), RechRdx-I(23)
Level 14: Super Speed -- Run-I(A)
Level 16: Dodge -- S'dpty-Def/EndRdx(A), S'dpty-Def/Rchg(45), S'dpty-Def(45)
Level 18: The Lotus Drops -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(25), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(27), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(27), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(29), Oblit-%Dam(29)
Level 20: Quickness -- Run-I(A)
Level 22: Boxing -- Acc-I(A)
Level 24: Tough -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(25), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(31), Aegis-ResDam(31)
Level 26: Soaring Dragon -- Mako-Acc/Dmg(A), Mako-Dmg/EndRdx(33), Mako-Dmg/Rchg(33), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(33), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(34), Mako-Dam%(34)
Level 28: Lucky -- LkGmblr-Def(A), LkGmblr-Rchg+(31), Ksmt-ToHit+(43)
Level 30: Weave -- RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(A), RedFtn-Def/Rchg(34), RedFtn-EndRdx/Rchg(36), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(36), RedFtn-Def(45)
Level 32: Golden Dragonfly -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(36), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(37), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(37), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(37), UndDef-Rchg/EndRdx(39)
Level 35: Evasion -- LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(A), LkGmblr-Def(39), LkGmblr-Rchg+(40)
Level 38: Stimulant -- IntRdx-I(A)
Level 41: Conserve Power -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 44: Physical Perfection -- P'Shift-End%(A), Mrcl-Rcvry+(46), RgnTis-Regen+(46)
Level 47: Energy Torrent -- Posi-Acc/Dmg(A), Posi-Dmg/EndRdx(48), Posi-Dmg/Rchg(48), Posi-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(48), Posi-Dam%(50)
Level 49: Aid Self -- Numna-Heal/Rchg(A), Numna-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(50), Numna-Heal(50)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Acc-I(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Clrty-Stlth(A)
Level 2: Rest -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 1: Critical Hit
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 2: Health -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(A), Numna-Heal/EndRdx(42), Numna-Heal(42)
Level 2: Stamina -- P'Shift-End%(A), P'Shift-EndMod(40), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(40), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(42), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc/Rchg(43), P'Shift-Acc/Rchg(43)