/Signed. Being able to manually organise contacts and their arcs, along with clues would be a godsend. I have a number of characters who's Clue tabs are clogged up with HUGE entries that I'll never be able to get rid of. It's just a hassle.
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I'm not strictly against your suggestion because I tend to favor the idea of giving players more control over things like this. But to be perfectly fair one could ask why you left so many arcs unfinished in the first place. I agree it's too bad the game has a hard limit on the number of arcs you can have open at any one time. But I suspect the reason that limit doesn't affect most people like it did you is that most people regularly work through their arcs and clear them out before they start new ones.|
Originally Posted by Stormfront_NA
One of my friends helped me determine what was the problem, it turned out I had too many open arcs! Here I am, a Vigilante with 9 red side arcs and 1 blue side arc! Thank God I had 1 blue side arc, or I would have been terninally messed-up. So I sent a bug request, I thought all red side material went into stasis when you switched blue side, well the count on unfinished arcs did not, so surely it must be a bug...
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Maybe this situation is really more a "lesson learned" for you than it is a need for the Devs to give us a feature relatively few people would ever need to use.
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I'm not strictly against your suggestion because I tend to favor the idea of giving players more control over things like this. But to be perfectly fair one could ask why you left so many arcs unfinished in the first place. I agree it's too bad the game has a hard limit on the number of arcs you can have open at any one time. But I suspect the reason that limit doesn't affect most people like it did you is that most people regularly work through their arcs and clear them out before they start new ones.
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To begin with...
It was documented that the real limit was on open missions "only", and that was 3. I do not know when some genius decided to also count unfinished story arcs, I see no intelligent reason for that to begin with and also the source of this particular problem.
Why do some folks do not finish story arcs you ask? I assure it is not because they are stupid and need to be taught a lesson.
Have it occurred to you, that some story arcs are just stupid and boring? And once you commence one, you realize they suxors! Why should you be "forced" to finish the annoying arc?
Have it also occurred to you that story arcs are leveled bracketed, and if you out level the arc (because you might have done a TF) you are ow damned to go thru the boring mission after mission with out exp?
Now with regards to our "innocent" devs... If you change the rules midways, you can expect to have negative consequences. It is dumb to blame the player over this consequences, when it was precipitated by the Developers actions.
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I've played the game for 78 months and have started (and finished) hundreds, if not thousands of story arcs in that time. Pretty much everything you said has "occurred" to me. And as far the Devs "changing the rules midways" goes the only recent change they actually (and ironically) made was that they RAISED the number of arcs players can have open back in Issue 17.|
Originally Posted by Stormfront_NA
Gee thanks for the support, and understanding...
To begin with... It was documented that the real limit was on open missions "only", and that was 3. I do not know when some genius decided to also count unfinished story arcs, I see no intelligent reason for that to begin with and also the source of this particular problem. Why do some folks do not finish story arcs you ask? I assure it is not because they are stupid and need to be taught a lesson. Have it occurred to you, that some story arcs are just stupid and boring? And once you commence one, you realize they suxors! Why should you be "forced" to finish the annoying arc? Have it also occurred to you that story arcs are leveled bracketed, and if you out level the arc (because you might have done a TF) you are ow damned to go thru the boring mission after mission with out exp? Now with regards to our "innocent" devs... If you change the rules midways, you can expect to have negative consequences. It is dumb to blame the player over this consequences, when it was precipitated by the Developers actions. Stormy |
Exactly how much more are the Devs expected to do here? Like I said I wouldn't hate it if the Devs gave us a "drop arc" feature. I'm just suggesting there are ample ways to avoid that situation and because the Devs already expanded the number of arcs we can have open fairly recently it's not very likely they are going to do any more in this area anytime soon regardless. *shrugs*
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You can go back to finish them. It would be like taking a hot knife through melted butter. If you don't feel like runnign them, use the drop mission button.
This would also allow us to custom-tailor our career to our specific origin, if we so chose.
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You can go back to finish them. It would be like taking a hot knife through melted butter. If you don't feel like runnign them, use the drop mission button.
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Not so easy there hun, my uncompleted arcs are red side, from missions with alts over several years old. Those Alts are blue side now, so they can not get rid of those worthless arcs, with out having to re-align so those worthless arcs can be cleared.|
Originally Posted by Sharker_Quint
You can go back to finish them. It would be like taking a hot knife through melted butter. If you don't feel like runnign them, use the drop mission button.
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With regard to change, at one time there was "no" limit on how many arcs you could have opened, all you had was how many missions you could have opened. The concept of now counting the open arcs towards your limit is frankly wrong!
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Sorry, but you're wrong there... the arc limit has been in effect for quite some time. I remember I had to petition a GM to explain to me why my main Villain could not take his Patron Arc back when I7 came out and dagnabbit, what do you know, I already had three arcs open and couldn't take any more. Fortunately they were all level appropriate arcs and I was able to complete them.|
Originally Posted by Stormfront_NA
With regard to change, at one time there was "no" limit on how many arcs you could have opened, all you had was how many missions you could have opened. The concept of now counting the open arcs towards your limit is frankly wrong!
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As for your suggestion, yes, it is interesting and I do not oppose it but if you have done all that you have done already, I cannot see how opening 36 Alpha slots and going rogue on I don't know how many toons can be construed as less boring than going through outleveled missions (that by their nature can be ghosted rather fast) on one alt after cycling him to its original alignment. YMMV of course.
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This is mainly a convenience or Quality of Life suggestion, it is not a fix for something that can not be worked around.
I had a large number of level 50 alts that begun their careers red side, I could then with out issue get new missions, start SFs and what not. Life was peachy!
Then with GR I had the opportunity to change alignments, since I had 18 level 50 villains, I had my hands full. So my Villains, went Rogue, and then Hero! All 36 of my level 50 alts could now use my one base! Yay! I still could with any of my 36 alts do any new missions, and start TFs.
Then it occurred to me, that many of my alts were not really hero material, they were good people, but could be vindictive at times, so they really were more Vigilante in spirit. So thus commenced the great exodus from Hero to Vigilante, I decided to re-align 30 of my 36 alts to Vigilante!
I had just finished getting all of my vigilantes set and ensuring all the critical power giving accolades acquired when I19 struck! Sweet timing!
So now, I had to unlock the Alpha Slot for 36 alts, oh my, I had my work cut out for me!
I first did my Heroes, piece of cake, they are mostly melee, so I zoomed thru the missions with out a hitch or challenge to speak off.
Then I went on to my vigilantes, at first I did the original heroes gone vigilante and had no problems at all, it was great, by then I have mastered the alpha slot unlocking that even my Emp Defender soloed it! Yeah, she did, did not die once either!
Then I went from my originally villain to rogue to hero to vigilante alts, and then the Titanic struck the iceberg. Suddenly I discovered none of them could take on new missions, TFs or tasks. I had worked so hard to get my first one into a group, and I could not get the mission, it was so embarrasing, after all that work!
One of my friends helped me determine what was the problem, it turned out I had too many open arcs! Here I am, a Vigilante with 9 red side arcs and 1 blue side arc! Thank God I had 1 blue side arc, or I would have been terninally messed-up. So I sent a bug request, I thought all red side material went into stasis when you switched blue side, well the count on unfinished arcs did not, so surely it must be a bug...
As a Vigilante, while I could go red side, I could not talk to the contacts to complete the unfinished arc; unless I went the painful tip route to go villain, clear the grey con arcs, then tip again to go rogue, then again to go hero and then tip again to go Vigilante. Obviously while feasable, not pleasant to do.
I was lucky that I had one blue unfinished arc, I was unlucky it was Levantera, but after suffering thru the moronic Leventara's vanguard part-2 missions, I cleared the arc and was able to get a mission from the good Mender.
After this horrid experience, and lack of help from the GMs via stuck and dozens of emails, the best they could do was tell me do Levantera and good day to you, thank you for playing CoH, ha ha ha....
It occurred to me, when I have a mission that is too annoying or perhaps the nature of the mobs in it are such that I can not complete, I can go to the Contact and either auto-complete or abandon the mission. In the same vein, when an arc is grey to me, very old and well below my level, where I can not gain exp, why not be able to auto-complete or abandon?
I thought for a bit more, and concluded auto-complete would be a bad idea, for it would lend itself to abuse and exploitation, next thing we know all would start 9 arcs, get 10 levels and then auto-complete the arcs getting badges, merits,and what not; this would simply be wrong!
Then I concluded the right answer is abandon the thread! You get nothing for abandoning it in the form of merits and what not, and you get it off your books and freeing up mission slots, and you are not forced to do exp pointless missions while trying to complete and be rid off the arc!
In my case, since 9 of my incomplete arcs are in an alignment I can't perform, the abandon choice would be a great QoL improvement for me, for it would save me the tedium of switching alignments back and forth.
The way I see this working, is you: Left click on your contact and it gives you the choice to abandon the arc. You click abandon and the book by their icon goes away.
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