Hasten and DB/SR: Stupid Question 2 of the day
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BrokenPrey,
Posted on: 2010-08-26 10:49 in Scrappers
Correct.
Since you have no long recharge powers like a /Regen does (aside from Elude, which is also pointless if you're softcapped), once you have enough global recharge to run the chain you want to run, then Hasten is pretty redundant for you.
If you have enough recharge for the chain, swap out Hasten for something that would be more useful to you. What that would be is up to you, I can't really suggest anything without seeing your build. And with the nature of the questions you're asking, I probably wouldn't be able to add much to your build anyway (the questions you're asking here are those asked by people who already have a pretty good idea what they're doing)
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
Well there are two attack chains that are better. Blinding Feint -> Sweeping Strike -> Ablating Strike which I don't think I've seen anyone do but Werner said it can be done but 354% recharge in BF is crazy. The other attack chain is Blinding Feint -> Ablating Strike -> Sweeping Strike -> Ablating Strike Which requires 312% in Ablating Strike which is still a lot of recharge.
As Claws and Effect said there is no reason to have Hasten if you can run BF->AV without it. The only thing that Hasten is going to do is take 20 end from you about every 2 mins.
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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
(the questions you're asking here are those asked by people who already have a pretty good idea what they're doing)
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Shred Monkey. for the record |
Originally Posted by BrokenPrey
Blinding Feint -> Sweeping Strike -> Ablating Strike which I don't think I've seen anyone do
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Originally Posted by Iggy_Kamakaze
I hate to be the bringer of bad news... but Willpower sucks!!! you're better off rolling a regen
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^Professional Katana/regen build thread
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I thought he ran BF > AS > SS > AS.
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Originally Posted by Elegost
Shred Monkey. for the record
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He experimented with both. He liked BF > AS > SS > AS better. I've got it doing almost 10% more DPS than BF > SS > AS at +296% recharge on my old DPS template build. I'd only go BF > SS > AS if you had that sort of recharge and wanted the extra AoE damage, or if you were expecting a lot of speed boosts, in which case the longer gap of the chain ends up playing to your favor, and you can exceed the BF > AS > SS > AS chain when the boosts remove the gap.|
Originally Posted by Chaos_String
I thought he ran BF > AS > SS > AS.
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The standard BF > Attack Vitals chain is plenty good unless you're shooting for a pylon record or something, though.
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I'm running the BF>AV chain on my DB/Elec and can do so without Hasten. I still picked it to get Energize, Power Sink and Shadow Meld up more often. For a DB/SR it is pretty much useless if you can run your BF>AV without Hasten.
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He does both. BF>SS>AS gave me a better pylon time particularly after adding PvP IOs. In general gameplaly it's usually something more like BF>Typhoon>SS>get a new target BF>SS... get a new target BF>Typhoon>SS...|
Originally Posted by Chaos_String
I thought he ran BF > AS > SS > AS.
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Relating to the OP's questions...
There's another attack chain I calculate as doing more DPS then BF>vitals at lower recharge then BF>AS>SS.... that's: Empower>SS>repeat. That's the chain I run when I exemplar down between level 21 and level 38 (I have hasten at 38, and yes, my IO's are selected carefully to have very good recharge bonuses even at level 21).
However, more generally speaking, the answer to your question is No, there's no advantage to getting hasten on a DB/SR if you're satisfied with BF>Vitals as an attack chain.
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I ended up keeping hasten because I needed Superspeed and its Blessing of the Zephyr set. It turned out to be useful in helping with recharging Conserve Power during my pylon test.
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I stand corrected...
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Originally Posted by Shred_Monkey
He does both.
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Once I get enough recharge to run the Blinding Feint - Attack Vitals combo attack chain without Hasten, then Hasten doesn't really do much for me, right?
It's my understanding that the only DB attack chain better than BF - AV combo is the infamous Blinding Feint -> Sweeping Strike -> Ablating Strike attack chain which requires a huge amount of recharge.
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