I wouldn't even dream of skipping Stamina, especially when you factor in that Rage still takes 1/4 of your bar when it crashes, and Hasten has -END as well. Power Surge is extremely situational IMO, and in situations that would require it, inspirations or Demonic would work just as well.
Okay... first: Why Hasten? Electric Armor already gets Lightning Reflexes. Between that and some Recharge enhancements in Rage, you should be able to double stack it no problem. (Quick look in mids... Recharge in 110 seconds, on a power that lasts 120. Looks good to me.) Unless you've got some reason to need an extreme amount of Recharge, I think that Hasten would be redundant.
As for skipping powers in Electric Armor -
There are really only three "maybe" skips, here. If you're willing to cover the Mez holes with Combat Jumping and a couple of -Knock Back enhancements, then Grounded can be skipped; If you really prefer Hasten over an auto power, you can drop Lightning Reflexes. And Power Surge can be dropped without great impact.
I wouldn't drop Stamina, myself. It's quite reliable, and depending on Power Sink to keep in the blue seems like a bad idea to me.
Actually, popping everything into Mids... Taking Combat Jumping and some -KB IOs instead of Grounded, taking Gloom, Dark Obliteration, and Darkest Night... With the Fighting pool for Tough, but not Weave... hey, look at that, I can even fit in Hasten, after all.
Play around in Mids. If you want I'll post the quicky build I made, this evening (Have to go to work now.)
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I'm gonna go with... "Because Hasten is incredibly useful, and stacking +recharge on top of more +recharge is ALWAYS a good thing."|
Originally Posted by OneWhoBinds
Okay... first: Why Hasten? Electric Armor already gets Lightning Reflexes. Between that and some Recharge enhancements in Rage, you should be able to double stack it no problem. (Quick look in mids... Recharge in 110 seconds, on a power that lasts 120. Looks good to me.) Unless you've got some reason to need an extreme amount of Recharge, I think that Hasten would be redundant.
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Seriously, just because Elec arm has Lightning Reflexes, doesn't mean that Hasten somehow becomes terrible. In fact, with stuff like Energize, you really want Hasten, so you can fire it off as much as possible.
To the OP, easiest thing to skip is grounded. Toss some KB IO's in your resist powers/CJ, and you are golden. Power Surge is the next easiest. If you don't team alot, you can skip Lightning Field, but I wouldn't really recommend it alot.
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I'm gonna go with... "Because Hasten is incredibly useful, and stacking +recharge on top of more +recharge is ALWAYS a good thing."
Seriously, just because Elec arm has Lightning Reflexes, doesn't mean that Hasten somehow becomes terrible. In fact, with stuff like Energize, you really want Hasten, so you can fire it off as much as possible. |
On a melee toon, once you have a sustainable single target attack chain, (and, on the sets with click mez protection, complete and consistent protection) additional +Recharge is just... nice, but not vital. I can see why Control sets or Buff/Debuff sets need a lot of recharge, but emphasizing that in everything is both redundant, and limiting the power selection that bit more.
Lightning Reflexes or Quickness doesn't make Hasten BAD. I just feel that it may be unnecessary. I just feel that the original poster should really ask himself: Do I really NEED this power?
And frankly, if you need to be firing Energize off all that frequently... you need to either tone down the difficulty, or rework you build.
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Uh, people up recharge so they can have the best attack chain, not just any sustainable one, and they want to be able to fire energize more often so that they can up the difficulty...
In fact, if you get enough recharge, you can make a great attack chain with fewer powers, so hasten can sometimes pay for its own slot. Having a recharge power like lightning reflexes in a set makes me want to take hasten more, not less.
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Uh, people up recharge so they can have the best attack chain, not just any sustainable one, and they want to be able to fire energize more often so that they can up the difficulty...
In fact, if you get enough recharge, you can make a great attack chain with fewer powers, so hasten can sometimes pay for its own slot. Having a recharge power like lightning reflexes in a set makes me want to take hasten more, not less. |
For me, I only worry about Recharge if I find myself with pauses in my attack chain. If I don't have an attack available in combat, something is wrong. Once I hit that point? Anything more is gravy and often wasted.
As for Energize... I don't treat Energize as a buff I want to keep up. It is a panic button. Something to hit when I'm in trouble. If I find I have to hit it every spawn - or more - then again, something is wrong. Either I'm taking on too much at once, or I've screwed up something in my build. If everything is going right, I should almost never have to fire Energize.
So yeah, maybe I'm not taking on +4/+8 with AVs active. But if that's you're goal, then you probably already know what you need to survive it..
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From that perspective, even slotting enhancements is gravy. Anyone can solo at -1/x1 with pretty much any build. The entire purpose of asking for build advice is to make a character who is stronger and more efficient, and usually people are interested in being able to take on the most difficult content that they can, as fast as they can. Improving a build is how you can raise that bar for yourself.
Obviously, personal preferences come into play too, and financial considerations. Still, without some specific reason not to go for more recharge, "it's unnecessary, don't play on higher difficulties" doesn't make any sense to me.
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Not sure what this was supposed to mean exactly. People post all the time who would like to be fighting +4/x8 with AVs and are asking how to get there. Clearly they don't know, or they wouldn't be asking.
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So yeah, maybe I'm not taking on +4/+8 with AVs active. But if that's you're goal, then you probably already know what you need to survive it..
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I'd go on to point out that it's a different thing having enough attacks to always have one available, and to have enough recharge so that a good attack is always available. Sure, you can easily run a gapless attack chain on something like Dark Melee, filling in with Shadow Punch and Shadow Maul, but you'd do much better if you just cranked out the recharge and only actually used Smite, Siphon Life and Midnight Grasp.|
Originally Posted by OneWhoBinds
I guess we just look at things differently.
For me, I only worry about Recharge if I find myself with pauses in my attack chain. If I don't have an attack available in combat, something is wrong. Once I hit that point? Anything more is gravy and often wasted. As for Energize... I don't treat Energize as a buff I want to keep up. It is a panic button. Something to hit when I'm in trouble. If I find I have to hit it every spawn - or more - then again, something is wrong. Either I'm taking on too much at once, or I've screwed up something in my build. If everything is going right, I should almost never have to fire Energize. So yeah, maybe I'm not taking on +4/+8 with AVs active. But if that's you're goal, then you probably already know what you need to survive it.. |
As for Energize? I'm not actually sure how to treat that. My DB/Elec is only level 34 at the moment and doesn't have the recharge to run it perma for the -End/+Regen, so I'm mostly using it as a heal with added benefits. My planned build doesn't concentrate on recharge much, because Energize would be about the only thing to actually benefit from it.
I'd never consider being able to solo +4/x8 a goal. This is mostly because I don't enjoy soloing that as much as I do +0/x8. I feel much more powerful mowing down weaker enemies FAST than I do mowing down powerful enemies at a decent pace. But as someone else pointed out, we roll up powerful builds in order to play on higher difficulty settings, so if spamming Energize is what enables us to do it, contrary to how you feel, all's well.
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And keep in mind, this is SS/Elec. That means Footstomp. And footstomp is a power we want up as much as possible. It doesn't matter if you can chain a ST attack chain, footstomp is the real workhorse in SS, and hasten helps it out immensely.
So I've been messing around with some builds for SS/ELA. I'm not really looking at a build focused on farming only, but more all purpose, so despite the thematic fit, I'd probably pick dark over mu.
Only problem is, I'm finding it really hard to fit everything in power wise. I'd prefer to use SJ over SS, but I also like having hasten. Then there's 3 good patron powers to grab in dark, and pretty much every power in ELA is good (I know some people skip the godmode but I rather like those).
So far, the easiest way to fit all this by far is simply skipping stamina. How viable is that for ELA? Obviously it'd be for a respec build, and one that can't mentor down too far. Skipping stamina I'd also lose health, which also means I can't slot numina's or miracle to help maintain my end between power sinks. I'm sure it's workable, but does it remain fun to play, without constantly being forced to stare at the blue bar and pray power sink comes up faster?