Wondering if I get the point of a Dual Blades scrapper...
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ClawsandEffect,
Posted on: 2010-06-20 22:01 in Scrappers
Well, there are a few mistakes here.
1) You skipped Mind Over Body. In fact you skipped pretty much ALL resistance granting powers in favor of defense. It is very possible to get good smashing/lethal resist numbers while retaining or improving your defense.
2) You don't really need every single attack in the set. You can skip a couple, allowing you to take the Fighting Pool and save some slots.
Here's what I did with it, you should notice several improvements.
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Level 50 Natural Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Dual Blades
Secondary Power Set: Willpower
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Speed
Ancillary Pool: Body Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Power Slice -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Knock%(3), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(7), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(46), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(46), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg(46)
Level 1: High Pain Tolerance -- Numna-Heal(A), Numna-Heal/EndRdx(15), Numna-Heal/Rchg(37), S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(37)
Level 2: Ablating Strike -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(3), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(7), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(43), Achilles-ResDeb%(50), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg(50)
Level 4: Fast Healing -- Numna-Heal/EndRdx(A), Numna-Heal(5), Numna-Heal/Rchg(5)
Level 6: Hurdle -- Empty(A)
Level 8: Blinding Feint -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(9), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(9), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(48), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(50)
Level 10: Indomitable Will -- LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(A), LkGmblr-Def(11), LkGmblr-Rchg+(11)
Level 12: Mind Over Body -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), RctvArm-ResDam(13), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(13), RctvArm-EndRdx(34)
Level 14: Health -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(A), Numna-Heal(15)
Level 16: Rise to the Challenge -- Numna-Heal(A), Numna-Heal/EndRdx(17), Numna-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(17), RgnTis-Regen+(36), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx(37)
Level 18: Vengeful Slice -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(19), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(19), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(40), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg(40), Mako-Acc/Dmg(40)
Level 20: Quick Recovery -- P'Shift-EndMod(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(21), P'Shift-End%(21)
Level 22: Boxing -- Stgr-Acc/Rchg(A), Stgr-EndRdx/Stun(23), Stgr-Acc/EndRdx(23)
Level 24: Tough -- Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(A), Aegis-ResDam(25), Aegis-Psi/Status(25)
Level 26: Sweeping Strike -- Erad-Dmg(A), Erad-Acc/Rchg(27), Erad-Dmg/Rchg(27), Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(39), Sciroc-Acc/Rchg(39), Sciroc-Acc/Dmg(39)
Level 28: Heightened Senses -- LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(A), LkGmblr-Def(29), LkGmblr-Rchg+(29), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(45)
Level 30: Weave -- LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(A), LkGmblr-Rchg+(31), LkGmblr-Def(31), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(31)
Level 32: One Thousand Cuts -- Erad-Dmg(A), Erad-Dmg/Rchg(33), Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(33), Erad-Acc/Rchg(33), Sciroc-Acc/Rchg(34), Sciroc-Acc/Dmg(34)
Level 35: Combat Jumping -- Ksmt-ToHit+(A), GftotA-Def/EndRdx(36), GftotA-Def(36)
Level 38: Strength of Will -- ResDam-I(A)
Level 41: Focused Accuracy -- GSFC-ToHit(A), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg(42), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx(42), GSFC-Rchg/EndRdx(42), GSFC-ToHit/EndRdx(43), GSFC-Build%(43)
Level 44: Physical Perfection -- Numna-Heal(A), Numna-Heal/EndRdx(45), P'Shift-End%(45)
Level 47: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(48), RechRdx-I(48)
Level 49: Stamina -- P'Shift-End%(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Critical Hit
Level 6: Ninja Run
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
The best DB attack chain that you can achieve with sane recharge levels is Blinding Feint -> Attack Vitals combo, so you need Blinding Feint, Ablating Strike, Vengeful Slice, and Sweeping Strike. You also have to take Nimble Slash or Power Slice, so I'd suggest Power Slice since the Sweep combo uses it and is handy against large groups. Even if you don't want to use Sweep I'd suggest taking Typhoon's Edge because it's one of the highest damage Scrapper PBAoEs, and since you are going to have Typhoon's and Power Slice you may as well take 1k Cuts if you can fit it in. The Empower and Weaken combos are handy when leveling but once you get Attack Vitals you're really better off just mowing the enemy down with that since the extra +damage from Empower vs just Blinding Feint is pretty minor and using Weaken is giving up a lot of DPS just to get a relatively small debuff. More importantly, skipping them lets you skip taking and slotting Nimble Slash, which on a build this tight is a big help. 
(I'd suggest a respec since you'll need Nimble Slash at low levels to fill out your attack chain.)
DB/WP is a very tight build, so you may want to consider Ninja Run or Combat Jumping + Hurdle as a travel power. I haven't IOed one out yet but ClawsandEffect's build looks pretty good, though I personally wouldn't take Body Mastery since with Blinding Feint and a Kismet 6% to-hit IO you really won't need Focused Accuracy and with Stamina and Quick Recovery you aren't going to need Physical Perfection. I'd probably skip an ancillary pool and grab Super Speed or Super Jump and Typhoon's Edge. The other priority is enough recharge to pull off BF -> AV seamlessly, which is pretty easy... you need 127% in Blinding Feint, 108% in Sweeping Strike, and 96% in Vengeful Slice (all including enhancements). With good enhancement slotting that's only around 30-40% global recharge needed, or you can just pad the attack chain with Power Slice when Hasten is down and pretty much ignore global recharge entirely.
There is a higher damage attack chain, but it requires insane recharge (perma-Hasten levels) so I'd suggest just going with Attack Vitals. Oh, and be aware that Kinetic Combat sets cost a fortune... you could save a ton of inf by slotting for +HP and +regen instead of defense. You'll be squishier, but it won't cost half a billion to complete the build.
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This is my DB/WP scrapper build. I went for +hp +regen. There is also a bit of defense and some good resist. I've out lived a couple of tanks with this build.
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Drowslaud: Level 50 Magic Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Dual Blades
Secondary Power Set: Willpower
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fighting
Ancillary Pool: Body Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Power Slice -- T'Death-Acc/Dmg(A), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx(11), T'Death-Dmg/Rchg(11), T'Death-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(13), T'Death-Dam%(46), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(48)
Level 1: High Pain Tolerance -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), Numna-Heal(3), Numna-Heal/EndRdx(3), Numna-Heal/Rchg(5), ImpArm-ResDam(5), Aegis-ResDam(7)
Level 2: Ablating Strike -- T'Death-Dam%(A), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(13), T'Death-Acc/Dmg(15), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx(15), T'Death-Dmg/Rchg(43), T'Death-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(43)
Level 4: Fast Healing -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(A), Numna-Heal(7), Numna-Heal/EndRdx(9), Mrcl-Rcvry+(9), RgnTis-Regen+(21), Mrcl-Heal(21)
Level 6: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 8: Blinding Feint -- T'Death-Acc/Dmg(A), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx(36), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(36), T'Death-Dam%(37), T'Death-Dmg/Rchg(45), T'Death-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(45)
Level 10: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(33)
Level 12: Mind Over Body -- TtmC'tng-ResDam(A), TtmC'tng-ResDam/EndRdx(37), TtmC'tng-ResDam/Rchg(43)
Level 14: Super Jump -- Jump-I(A)
Level 16: Rise to the Challenge -- Numna-Heal(A), Numna-Heal/Rchg(17), Numna-Heal/EndRdx(17), Mrcl-Heal(37)
Level 18: Health -- Numna-Heal/Rchg(A), Numna-Heal(19), Numna-Heal/EndRdx(19)
Level 20: Quick Recovery -- P'Shift-End%(A), P'Shift-EndMod(23), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(23), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(25), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc/Rchg(29)
Level 22: Indomitable Will -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 24: Vengeful Slice -- T'Death-Acc/Dmg(A), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx(25), T'Death-Dmg/Rchg(31), T'Death-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(33), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(33), T'Death-Dam%(45)
Level 26: Stamina -- Efficacy-EndMod(A), Efficacy-EndMod/Rchg(27), Efficacy-EndMod/Acc(27), Efficacy-EndMod/EndRdx(29)
Level 28: Sweeping Strike -- Erad-Dmg(A), Erad-Dmg/Rchg(31), Sciroc-Acc/Dmg(34), Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(40), Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(40)
Level 30: Heightened Senses -- LkGmblr-Def(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(31), LkGmblr-Def/Rchg(39)
Level 32: Typhoon's Edge -- Erad-Dmg(A), Erad-Dmg/Rchg(34), Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(34), Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(39), Sciroc-Acc/Dmg(46), Sciroc-Dmg/Rchg(50)
Level 35: One Thousand Cuts -- Erad-Dmg(A), Erad-Dmg/Rchg(36), Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(39), Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(40), Sciroc-Acc/Dmg(46)
Level 38: Boxing -- Empty(A)
Level 41: Tough -- ImpArm-ResDam(A), ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx(42), ImpArm-ResDam/Rchg(42), ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(42)
Level 44: Focused Accuracy -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 47: Weave -- LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(48), LkGmblr-Def(48)
Level 49: Physical Perfection -- Numna-Heal(A), P'Shift-End%(50), Numna-Heal/EndRdx(50)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Critical Hit
Level 0: Ninja Run
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He took FA so he could slot GSFC for the 1.25% typed Def. He has 32+ percent Def vs. most damage types, which when coupled with /WP regen and resists(notably S/L) will allow for exponentially greater survivability. Also, by taking CP and PP he was building for endurance sustainability.
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Originally Posted by StrykerX
I haven't IOed one out yet but ClawsandEffect's build looks pretty good, though I personally wouldn't take Body Mastery since with Blinding Feint and a Kismet 6% to-hit IO you really won't need Focused Accuracy and with Stamina and Quick Recovery you aren't going to need Physical Perfection. I'd probably skip an ancillary pool and grab Super Speed or Super Jump and Typhoon's Edge.
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Figured I'd explain here, since you seem to have missed why I chose the powers I did. I picked Focused Accuracy so there is a place to slot Gaussian's, and a Willpower is actually one of the characters that can afford the stupid high end cost on it should you choose to run it. Gaussian's grants 1.25% to all typed defenses at the 6 slot bonus, and all the bonuses leading up to the 6th slot are useful as well. I try to find a place to slot that set on all my characters if it doesn't hurt me to do so, and in this case it doesn't. |
Originally Posted by StrykerX
DB/WP is a very tight build, so you may want to consider Ninja Run or Combat Jumping + Hurdle as a travel power. I haven't IOed one out yet but ClawsandEffect's build looks pretty good, though I personally wouldn't take Body Mastery since with Blinding Feint and a Kismet 6% to-hit IO you really won't need Focused Accuracy and with Stamina and Quick Recovery you aren't going to need Physical Perfection.
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As far as Physical Perfection goes, the end recovery portion of it is pretty redundant, that much is true......but that's not why I took it. Willpower doesn't get a self heal, so every bit of regen you can acquire helps, which is why I slotted Physical Perfection with 2 Numina's and a Performance Shifter proc (which is the best single enhancement you can put in Physical Perfection).
Also, Gaidin mentioned the other reason I took Physical Perfection: That build will NEVER run out of endurance, no matter how long you fight for. I would actually probably take Stamina much sooner on a leveling build and respec into that one at 50.
That build could probably stand to lose Hasten, it isn't vital for it. If you like I suppose you could drop Hasten to pick up Super Jump. Or use the power pick to take Maneuvers for a little bit more defense (every little bit helps)
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
This will be my first real attempt at a scrapper. I switched from a WP/DB tank to a DB/WP scrapper. Please tell me what you think of this build. Have I got the point? or did I miss the mark completely?
Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.707
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Level 50 Natural Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Dual Blades
Secondary Power Set: Willpower
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Concealment
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Body Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Nimble Slash -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(3), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(5), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(11)
Level 1: High Pain Tolerance -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(A), Numna-Heal(27), Numna-Heal/EndRdx(29), Numna-Heal/Rchg(29)
Level 2: Ablating Strike -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(3), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(5), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(11)
Level 4: Fast Healing -- RgnTis-Regen+(A), RgnTis-Heal/EndRdx(25), RgnTis-Heal/Rchg(25), RgnTis-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(27)
Level 6: Typhoon's Edge -- Erad-Dmg(A), Erad-Dmg/Rchg(7), Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(7), Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(13)
Level 8: Blinding Feint -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(9), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(9), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(13)
Level 10: Indomitable Will -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(15), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(15), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(46)
Level 12: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(34), RechRdx-I(34)
Level 14: Super Speed -- Empty(A)
Level 16: Rise to the Challenge -- Mrcl-Rcvry+(A), Mrcl-Heal(17), Mrcl-Heal/EndRdx(17), Mrcl-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(36)
Level 18: Vengeful Slice -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(19), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(19), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(21)
Level 20: Quick Recovery -- Efficacy-EndMod(A), Efficacy-EndMod/Rchg(21), Efficacy-EndMod/Acc(23), Efficacy-EndMod/EndRdx(23)
Level 22: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 24: Health -- Dct'dW-Heal(A), Numna-Heal(31), Mrcl-Heal(46)
Level 26: Sweeping Strike -- Erad-Dmg(A), Erad-Dmg/Rchg(31), Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(31), Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(33)
Level 28: Stamina -- Efficacy-EndMod(A), Efficacy-EndMod/Rchg(33), Efficacy-EndMod/Acc(33), Efficacy-EndMod/EndRdx(34)
Level 30: Heightened Senses -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(36), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(36), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(37)
Level 32: One Thousand Cuts -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(37), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(37), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(39), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(39), Oblit-%Dam(39)
Level 35: Stealth -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(40), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(40), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(40)
Level 38: Power Slice -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(42), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(42), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(42)
Level 41: Focused Accuracy -- GSFC-ToHit(A), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg(43), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx(43), GSFC-Rchg/EndRdx(43), GSFC-ToHit/EndRdx(45), GSFC-Build%(45)
Level 44: Conserve Power -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(45), RechRdx-I(46)
Level 47: Physical Perfection -- Numna-Heal/EndRdx(A), Numna-Heal(48), EnManip-EndMod(48), EnManip-EndMod/Rchg(48)
Level 49: Maneuvers -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), S'dpty-Def(50), S'dpty-Def/EndRdx(50), S'dpty-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(50)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Critical Hit
Level 6: Ninja Run