Here's my build...though I really liked what you did with yours! I think I am gonna take a few ideas from what you did!
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Blue Manchew Fire/Fire/EM Tank Level 50 (997 badges and counting) Protector
Brandvlieg DB/WP/BM Scrapper Level 50 (Protector)
Captain Constitution WP/EM/EM Tank Level 50 (Protector)
Blue Thingy Fire/Rad Controller Level 50 (Champion)
Onderdrukker BS/SD/BM Scrapper Level 50 (Champion)
Hmm I haven't seen a build like that before(kinetic combat in kat) I have to try using that combination for my wp/ss tanker to be.
Anyways, one of my worries for my build is the crappy smashing def. I wonder how many range smashin and aoe attacks are there in game. And anyone know if i have decent to hit chance against +4 lvls? or do i have to invest in more +accuracy set bonuses.
One more thing! I'm runnin DA > GD > GC > SD > GC attack chain(is this optimal for what i have?). Will the end recovery be enough to use this chain for prolonged periods? And i have a performance shifter proc lying around so i might end up slotting it into PP if it really needs the extra recovery.
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Originally Posted by Boo
Hmm I haven't seen a build like that before(kinetic combat in kat) I have to try using that combination for my wp/ss tanker to be.
Anyways, one of my worries for my build is the ****** smashing def. I wonder how many range smashin and aoe attacks are there in game. And anyone know if i have decent to hit chance against +4 lvls? or do i have to invest in more +accuracy set bonuses. |
Nice build, I have a similar build on my kat/wp.
Have you played this build, and if so, have you had end problems in a long drawn out fight?
Don't worry about smashing defense, there's not much ranged smashing to deal with in this game. Most of it will be covered by melee or mixed with something else you have covered. The rest is usually covered with your massive regen and nice resists.
My acc levels are similar to yours, almost identical actually, and I don't have any problems fighting plus fours. In fact, a kat/wp is great for doing the double rwz challenges. Having said that, more acc never hurts, and if you get hit with acc debuffs, it can sting a bit.
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I have better end use vs. end rec than you, and I run into end problems in VERY long fights, like vs. a tough av. I can fight indefinitely, however, by using SOW. You might be able to do the same with conserve power, but you'd have to ask one of the resident math wizards to be sure.|
Originally Posted by Boo
One more thing! I'm runnin DA > GD > GC > SD > GC attack chain(is this optimal for what i have?). Will the end recovery be enough to use this chain for prolonged periods? And i have a performance shifter proc lying around so i might end up slotting it into PP if it really needs the extra recovery.
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The chain you list is optimal if you want to be capped for melee and do top notch damage, yes. The only better chain is one that has insane recharge and doesn't use DA, which is usually only 'optimal' on an SR.
I wouldn't worry much about ranged and AoE smashing. If I were doing a Katana/Willpower, I'd likely just leave that as a hole in the build. The main attack I'm thinking of is the thrown rock smashing you over the head (Super Strength Hurl). There are certainly others, and I haven't done any sort of statistical analysis, but ranged and AoE smashing at least feels infrequent to me.
As far as accuracy against +4s, you're lower than I'd be happy with, but honestly not bad:
91% Gambler's Cut
89% Flashing Steel
104% Divine Avalanche (the important one, capped at 95%)
89% The Lotus Drops
83% Soaring Dragon
89% Golden Dragonfly
If you want to have Mids' tell you the numbers for +4s:
Options -> Configuration -> Exemping & Base Values -> Base ToHit = 39
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"Four hours in, and I was no longer making mistakes, no longer detoggling. I was a machine." - Werner
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Originally Posted by Cyber_naut
The chain you list is optimal if you want to be capped for melee and do top notch damage, yes. The only better chain is one that has insane recharge and doesn't use DA, which is usually only 'optimal' on an SR.
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Divine Avalanche -> Gambler's Cut -> Soaring Dragon -> Gambler's Cut -> Golden Dragonfly -> Gambler's Cut -> Soaring Dragon -> Gambler's Cut
It does slightly better DPS. However, Divine Avalanche drops for a fraction of a second with that chain, so you take your chances, and it isn't technically the best DPS one-DA chain as a result. Recharge is +163% in Soaring Dragon, which this build doesn't have and shouldn't even try for. Just putting the chain out there. In practice, yeah, I'd probably stick with DA>GC>GD>GC>SD>GC.
"That's because Werner can't do maths." - BunnyAnomaly
"Four hours in, and I was no longer making mistakes, no longer detoggling. I was a machine." - Werner
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thanks for the replies! I feel better now after seeing the replies 
. I might just lose some of the regen bonus in PP to slot in performance shifter proc and move 1 slot into CJ or maneuvers and make it 4 for the additional accuracy set bonus.
I lose like 25% regen and gain more accuracy with SD being the only attack power below 90% hit chance on +4. The end usage went down a little and gained more recovery from %endproc. Hmm i think it might be a good trade. What you guys think?
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Originally Posted by Cyber_naut
I have better end use vs. end rec than you, and I run into end problems in VERY long fights, like vs. a tough av. I can fight indefinitely, however, by using SOW. You might be able to do the same with conserve power, but you'd have to ask one of the resident math wizards to be sure.
The chain you list is optimal if you want to be capped for melee and do top notch damage, yes. The only better chain is one that has insane recharge and doesn't use DA, which is usually only 'optimal' on an SR. |
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Originally Posted by Werner
If you had the recharge, you could also consider this:
Divine Avalanche -> Gambler's Cut -> Soaring Dragon -> Gambler's Cut -> Golden Dragonfly -> Gambler's Cut -> Soaring Dragon -> Gambler's Cut It does slightly better DPS. However, Divine Avalanche drops for a fraction of a second with that chain, so you take your chances, and it isn't technically the best DPS one-DA chain as a result. Recharge is +163% in Soaring Dragon, which this build doesn't have and shouldn't even try for. Just putting the chain out there. In practice, yeah, I'd probably stick with DA>GC>GD>GC>SD>GC. |
I wish i could pull off chains like that too but it gotta be a SR to do it with hasten. I saw the only kat scrapper on the pylon dps thread had like 220+ dps and that awesome and beyond my reach(kat/sr or claw/sr and wp/ss will be next toons)
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Most ranged Ice attacks have a smashing component as well. So if your Cold defense isn't better than your Smashing defense, some enemy types may give you problems (mostly CoT and Crey Ice Tanks in the higher levels).
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Originally Posted by Werner
I wouldn't worry much about ranged and AoE smashing. If I were doing a Katana/Willpower, I'd likely just leave that as a hole in the build. The main attack I'm thinking of is the thrown rock smashing you over the head (Super Strength Hurl). There are certainly others, and I haven't done any sort of statistical analysis, but ranged and AoE smashing at least feels infrequent to me.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
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Ok i went ahead and tried to answer my own question lol. |
Originally Posted by Boo
thanks for the replies! I feel better now after seeing the replies
. I might just lose some of the regen bonus in PP to slot in performance shifter proc and move 1 slot into CJ or maneuvers and make it 4 for the additional accuracy set bonus. I lose like 25% regen and gain more accuracy with SD being the only attack power below 90% hit chance on +4. The end usage went down a little and gained more recovery from %endproc. Hmm i think it might be a good trade. What you guys think? | Copy & Paste this data into Mids' Hero Designer to view the build | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| |MxDz;1405;716;1432;HEX;| |78DA9D93DB4E13511486F774A68EA52D6D2DA550A020A7D29 60E34314634D144D10| |0D2A48882726AC6B285264DDB742601EE7C004F01A357DE29 EA2318AF7C0DDFC0E3| |1B98BA0EBB8DD74E607DB3D7FED75E87DD291CCE0784787C4 D68DD37AAB6E39456C| |B4DBBD1904D6FC1DEAB940D573AAE298488B5FDA582AC4A69 DDB65DBB66273ADE79| |F948D61C69AD57AAD546FD4036238BB57DD99435D76ABF048 AF57AD5BA55716BD27| |178B12CED46A5B617543B7BFB2EAC42EDAD5DD974F62B8DC8 CD46A56C5DAFEF1E95| |0AB6E3CAE6511F149486FFA758193D2DAF98F40891179E294 69A60641859C2992F8| |0A858C3284D45DDD3686785707695710190125DB38C3CE199 A982204AFB06070D89| |C077C60F42F74FC62F42F837E13E44E99CCBD03957EEAA863 BB9153A76669156F92| |55A7941EE65B9F0E604CA5F80CBD434CA6B2E083A7B91706E 8931073074D1D3668A| |9A7D00713E7594EF0F29D7C1E56797EE1FA584BD49C618A12 F4EC598A00BB2CE135| |CA3A267784033DCC20608425C9327C4AE3E16247882C72088 A861457858091ED620| |0F6B908795E4612579589B101555F5455F5317C963C2C82B4 2FE84D00BBA98AA2F1| |6A384233D8C30210E8238A717F1AF147302AE7E5551FF86C0 6ECF6F32B618DB84B1| |1D4689B0055103AAA201CE34C699C639D37894F0DCC4FAF9F 4A1B79470FC1D61F29| |4F19EF18190FA48780951C32A6A98C793E2F1A4783C691E4F FA807E09E943820651| |A3AAB9D18B7CE73AF826D44426F84A337CC119BE59030453A A91296E24C38D4C732| |3D3DC48047459A5CBB26E9A7539D6E559B7AA0B61A922AC2C D5751A146256FDE066| |F9F6068DCEF7097FF088E57F3D3A898A46E7C3121A89868DC E07DAF285E18BE0DDF| |F7D3E05DAC7F9EE7481BD8BA608465BC3B72D34DBB8DCC137 1BDF1EA229E3B2F539| |D0AE387409EB9A437319CD153431A84F3C41A5E907E347134 01344D38D2684268C2| |68A2681E60D9AD65FECD9F10A| |-------------------------------------------------------------------| |
I switched out the Scirroco dmg/rech to a scirroco acc/dmg/end to reduce the end cost of GD, since i don't really need that much recharge to achieve this chain below.
DA > GD > GC > SD > GC >repeat
I tried to use the arcanatime formula to calculate the total duration of the chain and got 6.996 secs with 3.31 endurance drained per second(1.83enddrain/sec if CP is used).
Total end usage with toggles is 4.69end/sec(2.57end/sec with CP)
Ok so I only have 3.89 recovery + x2 Pshifter%end and I read from some 2009 posts that it adds like 0.2 to recovery per proc. If the end proc still works the same way, i will have around 4.39 recovery.
So with those numbers, I've calculated that i will be out of endurance after like 383.33333secs (115 divided by 0.30?) which is about 54 secs slower than my CP recharge(yay)
And i have to be able to recover my end within CP's duration of 90 secs.
115/(4.39 - 2.57)= 63.2 seconds to recover full end bar which means I should not have that much end problems.
Now the problem is that i can't trust myself with maths and i've barely played this game for a month. I will appreciate if the veterans can help me double check the numbers to see if im correct or not, so I can put my IO and respec to use
. I'm still farmin ae/lvl 50 missions for tickets/merit/inf/recipes and don't wanna buy wrong ones in case of changes. Missing 1 or 2 num heals and LoTG def + LoTG def/end so it will be soon!Thanks again in advance for all your help =).
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I think 38% def should be decent till i get my hands on a pvp def IO(not anytime soon tho). Then again i run around with like 10-15 25% def insp, so it should keep me relatively safe for the time being.
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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
Most ranged Ice attacks have a smashing component as well. So if your Cold defense isn't better than your Smashing defense, some enemy types may give you problems (mostly CoT and Crey Ice Tanks in the higher levels).
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Hey guys I've been lurking the boards for a few weeks now and need other opnions on the slotting and stuff. The idea is to slot so that i get as much regen as possible and still get decent enough recovery and max hits. I got help from reading some old kat/wp builds from 2009(mojo's and iggy's) to make this, but im not sure if its up to date for current issue.
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Oh ya Im using Crushing impacts atm instead of the hecatombs(only have the proc so far) so i hope its good enough. Thanks in advance.