About Spines - Barb Swipe


ClawsandEffect

 

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Just a quick question, as I'm planning a respec.

Barb Swipe is a fast-recharging attack that does DoT and Slow - and as a Scrapper Primary attack, it can Critical.

And everybody seems to hate it? I can't seem to work out an effective comparison - Mids shows decent DPS and DPE, better than several other Scrapper tier 1s.

So, my question is this: all things considered, would replacing this attack with Fighting - Boxing be more... everything? ...anything?

Be Well!
Fireheart


 

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Yes, right, it should certainly be called 'Spikey Flurry', but will it blend?

No, really, in an attack chain, will Boxing out-perform it?

Be Well!
Fireheart


 

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I'm glad you posted this question - been pondering the same thing. Still would like to know the opinions on your 2nd question - is boxing a worthwhile power to "sub" with ?


**Damien**
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"Going to church doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing in a garage makes you a car. "

 

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DPA (Damage Per Activation) is where it's at. Unenhanced, Barb Swipe has 25.2 while Boxing has 42. Boxing wins by a long shot.


 

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Originally Posted by Exxar View Post
DPA (Damage Per Activation) is where it's at. Unenhanced, Barb Swipe has 25.2 while Boxing has 42. Boxing wins by a long shot.
Thank you Exxar !

Fireheart - Are you planning on slotting Boxing ? I have Boxing and Tough, but only the default slot so far in Boxing (at 38).


**Damien**
"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind." ~Dr. Seuss.
"Going to church doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing in a garage makes you a car. "

 

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Originally Posted by Exxar View Post
DPA (Damage Per Activation) is where it's at. Unenhanced, Barb Swipe has 25.2 while Boxing has 42. Boxing wins by a long shot.
That didn't seem right, sir, due to the extra DoT, but 'proving' it forced me to look up the data on City of Data, get out the calculator and compute total damage divided by activation time and... Huh! That's pretty miserable! Thanks for the enlightenment.
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Originally Posted by damienray View Post
Thank you Exxar !

Fireheart - Are you planning on slotting Boxing ? I have Boxing and Tough, but only the default slot so far in Boxing (at 38).
Damien, I'm planning a full respec on the character so I'm planning to drop Boxing in, right from the start, at level 6 and slot it up like any other attack. I'll put it on 'auto' as my fast fill-in-the-gaps attack, just like I had Barb Swipe - except it Did seem to take over and fill my attack-chain more than needed - hence the question. I'll pick up the Tough and Weave later, when they're appropriate.

What I wanted to confirm is the DPA issue with Barb Swipe, because everything Except the animation time looks great.

Be Well!
Fireheart


 

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It's a long animation *and* it roots you. No thanks. Barb swipe is one of the worst scrapper powers in the game from a PvE perspective. The only reason why players take it at all is for PvP where damage is tied loosely with animation times.


 

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Originally Posted by Fury Flechette View Post
It's a long animation *and* it roots you. No thanks. Barb swipe is one of the worst scrapper powers in the game from a PvE perspective. The only reason why players take it at all is for PvP where damage is tied loosely with animation times.
Pretty much this.

My Spines/Fire build has Barb Swipe for PvP, but I avoid it like the PLAGUE on my PvE build, the damage just sucks in PvE for the amount of time it roots you.

Closest comparison I can think of is Shout from Sonic Attack, but there's a big difference: On a blaster Shout is worth taking to end your chain with because it hits like a truck with a decent Defiance bonus and the -res from the rest of your chain applied. (Mine routinely tops 400 damage at level 50, which is better than my Fire blaster's Blaze will do. It hits harder than a non-crit Head Splitter or Eagle's Claw)

Barb Swipe has none of those advantages.


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