I am pretty much either spamming an AoE attack or an AoE control. Solo vs +1/x8 the fights run long and I do run Maneuvers and Tactics as well as a Shield. I do not slot for any End reductions besides what I get in sets (And in Manuevers, that is just a LotG)
Look, In 30 seconds I can go through MC (19 end) 2x Terrify (34 end) Total Domination (12 end) Psychic Shockwave x 5 times (70 end) Mass Hynosis (15 End) Drain Psyche (7 End) Soul Drain (11 End) Obliteration (15 End) Pychic Scream (12 End) and Running Manuevers (10 End), Tactics (6 end) and Dark Embrace (7 end).
That is about 220 end spent in the first 30 seconds. I recover at about 3 end per second w/ Stamina. After normal stamina, that puts me down to about -30 end (Or more if Hasten drops) in thirty seconds which DP or Dom firing normally cover. There have been times that I have missed w/ DP, not positioned properly, had mobs killed before it went off etc. that I have had to eat blues. Of course, I do not always get all these off or need to in the first 30 seconds, but I can and have.
With all that said, I know perfectly well that I could slot/play a bit more intelligently and probably not need stamina at all. But I like putting myself in a very fluid and frantic environment that I need all my tools to survive, and I like not having to pay (much) attention to my blue bar. Oh, and Stamina does help for single hard targets and/or running lots of toggles.
I am not saying that a Mind/Psi needs Stamina, just that it can be a luxury w/ some playstyles.
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Originally Posted by Wintervoid
With all that said, I know perfectly well that I could slot/play a bit more intelligently and probably not need stamina at all. But I like putting myself in a very fluid and frantic environment that I need all my tools to survive, and I like not having to pay (much) attention to my blue bar. Oh, and Stamina does help for single hard targets and/or running lots of toggles.
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But what you're describing is what everyone else can do without Stamina. All of the dommies I've made and helped others make can all run ahead of the team, lock down everything, kill the mob and move on without any help - this isn't exactly new terroitory with what you're describing. This is just what dommies can do when they have perma domination.
The added benefit of not getting the Fitness pool is the ability to grab three extra powers that can be more functional and you can get better slotting/bonuses from it. The argument people are making is that 'Yes, you can do it without Stamina'.
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Originally Posted by Wintervoid
I am pretty much either spamming an AoE attack or an AoE control. Solo vs +1/x8 the fights run long and I do run Maneuvers and Tactics as well as a Shield. I do not slot for any End reductions besides what I get in sets (And in Manuevers, that is just a LotG)
Look, In 30 seconds I can go through MC (19 end) 2x Terrify (34 end) Total Domination (12 end) Psychic Shockwave x 5 times (70 end) Mass Hynosis (15 End) Drain Psyche (7 End) Soul Drain (11 End) Obliteration (15 End) Pychic Scream (12 End) and Running Manuevers (10 End), Tactics (6 end) and Dark Embrace (7 end). That is about 220 end spent in the first 30 seconds. I recover at about 3 end per second w/ Stamina. After normal stamina, that puts me down to about -30 end (Or more if Hasten drops) in thirty seconds which DP or Dom firing normally cover. There have been times that I have missed w/ DP, not positioned properly, had mobs killed before it went off etc. that I have had to eat blues. Of course, I do not always get all these off or need to in the first 30 seconds, but I can and have. With all that said, I know perfectly well that I could slot/play a bit more intelligently and probably not need stamina at all. But I like putting myself in a very fluid and frantic environment that I need all my tools to survive, and I like not having to pay (much) attention to my blue bar. Oh, and Stamina does help for single hard targets and/or running lots of toggles. I am not saying that a Mind/Psi needs Stamina, just that it can be a luxury w/ some playstyles. |
i highly..i mean SUPER HIGHLY
doubt you can get off all those attacks in 30 seconds...on my staminaless fire/psi im runnin tactics,pp armor, hotfeet,ss,cj,tough,weave..and spam attacks like a psycho patient w/ a BB gun and my end NEVER bottoms out..
its simply not possible to put out all those attacks at once...oh and baddo how bout u mez than drain psy second so u can run the rest of ur imaginary chain thats impossible to run,so u dont bottom out of end....
Okay, it has been a while since I played my Mind/Psy, but I do remember needing a blue every once in a while. Everyone is telling me I am wrong, so I wanted to log in and check it out. I also ran numbers using Mids (yes, I know not the most reliable source for numbers)
First, Mids tells me that I can run all those powers, and have a bit of time for some movement, but not much. That makes sense, since I had build my toon as AoE centric and not having to move too much. I.E, lock some from a distance, jump to the middle, and spam PSW and DP until the mobs thin out enough that I have to move again. I am sure I could reposition myself more often for better effect at times, but I remember having to frantically push out AoE Control/PSW to mimimize damage.
Second, using a crude spreadsheet, it seems like if I hit 3+ mobs w/ DP I am golden, but 2 or less and my end will start to drain away with this usage. In most cases, I am in position to hit well over 3+, but I am sure that there have been times that I have not due to scatter, bad positioning, etc and that is most likely where my End Woes (not really woes, but need to pop an occasional blue) come from.
Okay, then I logged in. Right away, I noticed a few things. First, I do not have Soul Drain, but Assault instead. Second, I was running @ +2/x8. Third, when I started playing again, I noticed that I tend to leave on SuperSpeed the first 5-10 seconds while locking down w/ Mass Confusion and Hypnosis which drains a bit more end.
After playing for a bit, I did notice that I do not have issues w/ end at the start of fights as I have lots of targets to hit. I did notice I have a reluctance to DP near then end of fights when there are maybe 5-6 mobs left, but scattered, and I probably would not get more then 2 in a hit w/o alot of positionining (Which is time I could be using to rush the next group with my playstyle) I kind of need the +Regen on DP when I first hit a fresh group to handle the DPS from mobs my hard controls do miss, so I want it up as soon as I hit a new group*. I am pretty sure that is where my perception that I needed an occasional Blue came from.
*Oh, and as a side note, there are mobs I miss at +2/X8, even with spamming all the controls. Yes, I could be more cautious (Or maybe better) and get everything locked down w/ careful positioning before I come out of invis...but I play w/ a more Brutish playstyle in most cases, and I prefer to see how much chaos I can create and then control instead.
Also, I vaguely remember looking though and trying to find powers I would prefer to have that I could replace fitness w/ that would improve my character. What I came up with was that until I had 5 LotG (only have 2), that I would not get much milage out of other powers that I would not have to slot. Looking again, I can see a few that I would probably take now, namely Vengence and Recall Friend, but at the time I tended to solo alot due to erracticc time from havin a new baby.
So...in closing, I very well may be doing something wrong, and there probably are better picks then fitness. I was going off memory from months and months ago, shortly after PSW was nerfed. I did remember eating an occasional blue. This stood out to me because I was suprised I ever needed to with all the + end in the build.
I never meant to create such a ruckuss 
If Wintervoid is using DP correctly (jumping into the middle of a mob and hitting the power) he should be at the end recovery cap for 30 seconds and then have at least 100 end to use til domination goes off again. I'm gonna guess he's got a low recharge build, a bunch of toggles, and doesn't hit DP as often as he needs to. One possibility is that he's not positioning his domi correctly to get DP to hit an entire mob and thus not getting max end recovery. And another is that his attack chain just isn't that good. Yet another possibility is that his attack/holds are not optimized for end cost and cost more than they need to.
There's no reason why you NEED stamina in a /psi build unless you can't get your recharge up to use DP regularly. This is because DP when used right can get a player to end recovery cap, and then you rely on domination to go off for the rest of it. The three powers taken just to get stamina is a waste of three powers that need a lot of slots in order to get recharge bonuses out of them - and DP can do a better job than Health and Stamina.
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