VEATs and HEATs

Hasn't really bothered me. Nice to see some more people playing VEATS. I find them one of the most fun ATs you can play.

I've had VEATS/HEATS unlocked for quite awhile before i17 (about 3 years)...and I still haven't gotten into HEATS. Probably because PBs look the most interresting to me, but I hate the lack of mez protection in melee that have (and I dont even care about the lack of knockback, just the hold/sleep/stun).

i've had both unlocked for a while, it doesn't bother me, now what would've been super cool beans would be :

-take a page from what AoC just did, an account wide accolade earned when getting both a VEAT and HEAT to 50, it would enable you to autolevel new alts to 20
or
-Get a VEAT and HEAT to 50, and unlock an Preatorian Epic Arch Type

I'm firmly in the camp of people who think the change is fine. Better than fine, it's overdue. Why? Several reasons.

• The Devs have themselves stated, repeatedly, that having an EAT unlock at fifty was a misstep. It encouraged people to PL to 50 to unlock the EAT and worse, it encouraged perception of the EATs as 'reward' or 'uber' ATs, a misperception which still harms Kheldian popularity today (VEATs too, but less so since they were introduced so much later).
• Dropping the unlock to 50 removes one more piece of endgame-gated content (opening up all the hazard zones was another big move in this area). This helps to shift the game's focus even more towards alts, which is appropriate since the game's overall design has always been primarily focused on the journey of characters rather than on an ever-increasing carrot-and-stick for max-level characters as in other raid-based MMO endgames.
• Conversely, removing the unlock from level 50 also helps to reduce the 'endpoint' feeling that level 50 all too often has. Instead of "Now you're 50, go start an EAT!" 50 now becomes simply the max level. Without the immediate carrot of another AT, people may actually be less likely to shelve their 50s. That's, of course, pure speculation.
• Last but not least, the idea of "cheapening" an achievement is just pride. And it's rather retarded pride at that - it's the same school of thought that has people tormented in fraternities, apprenticeships and training programs all because "I had to do it, so you should have to do it too". That's ridiculous. Yes, it was harder to unlock EATs before and it's easier now. So what. I got to have EATs all this time, that's reward enough, to say nothing of having a max-level character I can call on if I have the need. It doesn't *need* to be harder so that everyone else can *earn* it under the same conditions, any more than we need to bring debt back to the way it was becaues the newer players didn't get to suffer like we did. It's bad logic.

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Originally Posted by Wooden_Replica take a page from what AoC just did, an account wide accolade earned when getting both a VEAT and HEAT to 50, it would enable you to autolevel new alts to 20

This, however, I absolutely disagree with. It was a disaster in DoaC and it'd be a disaster here. Probably more of a disaster here given how alt-centric this game's design is. It would depopulate the lower level regions of the game, devalue the lower level game experience, and negatively affect recruitment of new players (something we could use and are poised to get with GR coming out and increased profile of superhero MMOs in general with the launch of DCUO). Naturally it wouldn't destroy the lower level game all at once, but over time the effect would be negative and noticeable. What's more, it also sends the message that veterans don't *have* to play the lower level game, while new players are *forced* to play it. Wow, now it really sounds awful.

Fortunately, given the Dev announcement of all-new 1-20 content in Praetoria, I'm hopeful that they won't even consider making this mistake.

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Originally Posted by Wooden_Replica or -Get a VEAT and HEAT to 50, and unlock an Preatorian Epic Arch Type

I could get behind that.

OP sounds like a fool that I teamed with a couple of days ago, had to boot him off the team after him ranting for a good 10 minutes about "newb" VEATs. I got both my Soldier and Peacebringer to 50 looooong before this switcherooni, yet I see it as a good change, hopefully this'll get more EATs playing!

I see this as a good thing.

I dunno, my first 50 was a Dark/Dark Defender, way before the buffs. It was brutal and took me ages. More hours than I care to admit

I see the fact that I had to do things a long and unfun way as reason to be in favour of these kind of changes, not against them. Especially since stuff like these changes benefit me just as much. Any new character I make levels faster, can buy jetpacks, has new content to run, has better balanced powers to play with, gets way less debt, gets exp exemplared down and all the rest of it.

But I don't play this game for achievements. I play it for fun, and the achievements are a nice bonus. I also believe that if someone is willing to buy 2 years worth of sub time, they should get 2 years worth of vet rewards. I'm led to believe that's not a popular opinion though

Interesting. Surprsing that the OP didn't come back to the thread.

(yes, that was sarcasm).

If he did he would see how WRONG he is.

Lowering it to lvl 20 was genius. GG devs.

I'm of the opinion it would be just super if Kheldians got some minimal status protection from their level 1 innate armor, like the Soldiers get.

VEAT makes a team much better.
A team just makes a Kheldian kinda better. Oh, and they bring awesome Cysts as a present (although it's gotten quite rare these days).

Kheldians were never an epic archetype. In the old days of Kryptonite Quantums they were just laughably bad. I remember voids seemed to even ignore taunts to flip around an 1-shot a kheldian teammate. They were a hybrid AT in a game of pure ATs, with special custom enemies that have been steadily nerfed down over the years. I mean, it was kind of cool to be a pocket blaster or a pocket tanker but they didn't excel at any. But, with IO's these days a WS can be a floating squid tankmage. Peacebringers...lol, sorry Jack nerfed you so hard years ago. You just suck.