Discussion - FArt 'Win Back A Spot On The Island'?

Over in the April FArt contest Voting thread, Wassy asked for input on the idea of allowing eliminated FArt contestants a way "Win Back A Spot" into the competition.

(I thought the discussion deserved its own thread)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wassy Also, I'd like some input on whether or not we should do a special battle to win a spot back in the running. I really liked this idea before we got going... but because most eliminations were due to non-submission or withdrawing, I don't know if this is really necessary.

Bindweed posted:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bindweed I can't speak for anyone else, but as far as my own situation is concerned, I couldn't come up with an entry using permitted materials, and my entry was disqualified. It's a shame, but I have absolutely no problem with that call. I was the dunce who didn't read the requirements properly, nor give myself time to create a second, permissable piece. I'd feel uncomfortable, personally, if I was allowed back in, not least because the situation may arise further down the line whereupon someone who has a valid reason to remain in the competition thus far may face elimination whilst I pass through to a subsequent round. I don't think that would be fair. I can't speak for anyone else because others may have dropped out for entirely different reasons, but my first feeling is to go with Wassy's implied suggestion that a second chance, if offered, is probably best withheld from people who withdrew or didn't submit.

Caemgen said:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Caemgen Well I've seen no discussion on this yet but since the mad rush of voting has died down I figured I'd add my thoughts... Since the majority of eliminations were due to dropouts I think the question to ask yourself is whether or not you'd have allowed dropouts to win their way back in to begin with... If not then I guess it's all but a moot point. If so then I don't see any reason not to continue with the idea if several are interested in trying to win their way back in... Just make it clear that if they again fail to submit a qualifying entry on time that we will all mock them relentlessly and pelt them with rocks and garbage at any given opportunity... What with the contest being for fun and all, I see mo harm in having someone returned to the island. But then again, if not enough evictees are interested then *shrug*

Originally, I thought the idea being able to win back a spot was quite fantabulous - but I can certainly see the other side: that of an entrant who left or was DQ'd or Eliminated, winning back into the contest, then going on to maybe win over others who were there from the beginning.

but then again, the contest is s'posed to be fun and I kinda hate to see ANYBODY eliminated (big softie that I am).. but it is supposed to be a contest..

Ah, what the heck - I say go fer it!

As to how to implement it, I got two thoughts:

1) just allow them to re-enter by submitting a piece for whatever month's battle is current - but they must make it in by deadline, and conform to the month's theme* and rules. Then they get voted on just the same as all the other entries. Nothing special. (* unless you want to add that for THEM, the y need to add "Win my back onto the island" into the Month's theme of the piece?)

2) as above, but make it harder on the entry by multiplying their voting points by -.5 or -1 - meaning they'd get less value for their votes than the "extant" entries.

Thats my two cents.

Personally I am not too concerned with someone who wins their way back in winning out over someone who was is the whole time... This idea was floated before or right near the start of the contest so everyone knew it was a possibility.

There is also plenty of months left so it's not like they are swooping in at the end and only having to produce one or two good works to win the whole shebang. At most they missed 3 months, no?

If it was that major concern, August could always be another win your way back in month for those who get eliminated for April though July... Or even August, depending how winning your way back in is done.

As for how to implement it, I say a special vote for them during next month... In other words, anyone trying to win their way back in must do May's theme and a special vote will be taken on just the entries from those wanting to return. The winner gets put back in.

In August that vote could come after teh August Elimination and whoever was eliminated there could also have their entry automatically included in the special election so they'd have a shot at continuing... In fact I'd be suprised if they didn't get a lot of sympathy votes in that case...


But I think we have the cart before the horse here. I think first we should see how many who are out for one reason or another would like to win their way back in... If none or just one or two do then it's probably pointless to bother. If a handful do, then it's a viable option.

I would have it so each vote is worth a certain number of points, such as 1st is 3 points 2nd is 2 and 3rd is 1. Person with the most points at the end wins and there is no elimination. That does take from the thrill of it coming down to the wire toward the end though.

I think for the duration of the FArt competition, the rules should stay the same: once you're eliminated from the FArt competition, you should be out for the duration of the contest. As far as I can tell, the people who were removed from the competition (aside from Bindweed) are people who quit of their own volition.

Moving forward for other FArt competitions, my suggestions would be to hold two per year. January through May; July through November. A shorter run might allow people to fit them into their schedules better. It's less of a commitment, plus there are built in breaks. Plus if a new artist joins the forums and wants to participate, they dont' have to wait til next year to join.

I'd also suggest that there are no eliminations in either FArt event and have a point system installed similar to Nascar; voting occurs for the top 5 pieces of the month. Every participants' votes are added and final rankings for the month are determined. Then the participants are awarded points for their ranking. Whoever accumulates the most points by the end of month five, wins.

I think if you were voted out or were disqualified, I think you should be eligible for re-entry if it happens (IMO it just makes things take longer). I think if you dropped out, you dropped out, and nuts to you.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dispari I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.

I think if we do have a buy-in month, it should be no later than July. That leaves almost half the year so it's not a last minute buy-in. Everyone is allowed to submit a piece - withdrawn/DQ'ed/eliminated contestants, and brand new people. Contestant voting works as normal with an elimination, and each person gets one additional vote for the non-contestants. The winning non-contestant wins their way back in the competition.