Red Side Market Defeats Me :p
By
Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2010-02-27 17:11 in The Market and Inventions
Yeah, I'll third that observation.
Heroside, I set up a generic IO crafting scheme, plugged away at it and could then plan out what I needed for my group of ten characters in the modest mid-level range - level 30 Thunderstrikes and Crushing Impacts, Positron's Blasts, Blessing of the Zephyr pairs for some of them, and so on.
Rarer stuff like Zephyr KBs were accessible using merits from doing story arcs with some longer term planning.
This has totally failed to work on villains. The money's rolling in from generic IO crafting, but the recipes just aren't there. Getting hold of Crushing Impacts red-side was like getting hold of Posi's blue-side. Getting hold of Posi's redside? Forget it!
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I'd theorize that an unpleasant number of these have been thrown away/vendored. The plot goes something like this:|
Originally Posted by Organica
For several days I've had bids on two Siphon Insight accuracy/endurance/recharges in the 35-44 range for my 43 (now 44) MM. I suppose these are pool C's and midlevel range so yeah, I know that they're going to be hard to get, especially redside. But tonight a level 38 crafted popped up...
...and I was the first one to ever buy one. That kind of illustrates for me how woefully inadequate the redside market is. I know they're a "newer" recipe, but still... |
Pool B Siphon Insights drop a bunch.
"Casual" market users who get them think, "Huh, I surely don't need this, but new and decent bonuses and stuff and maybe I'll put it on the market."
Pool B Siphon Insights pile up on market and either sell for next to nothing or just sit there.
Siphon Insights become associated with market suckitude, thus when the rarely dropped pool C appears after a TF roll, casual market folks think "Gah, the new Crap of the Hunter," and vendor/delete without checking scarcity and such.
Slightly savvier market-users look at the crafting expenses and old price points for Siphon Insight crafteds, see that crafting will not be profitable, and then vendor/delete.
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Originally Posted by DrMike2000
level 30 Thunderstrikes and Crushing Impacts, Positron's Blasts, Blessing of the Zephyr pairs for some of them, and so on.
... This has totally failed to work on villains. The money's rolling in from generic IO crafting, but the recipes just aren't there. ... |
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The AE didn't help and it definitely raised prices pre-I16. However the fact that purple prices didn't drop post-I16 is only partially attributable to the AE. I think the increased earnings ofr level 50s and the new difficulty settings are more to blame there.
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Originally Posted by CrazyJerseyan
I was just going off of one of your original statements, which I disargreed with, "...In any case AE isn't the problem..." Ive always felt that AE was the main reason the market prices, specifically purples, went apesh!t.
Good points, but I'm mainly talking about IOs that either you cant find on the market or rares running 600mill for 1 as opposed to 600mill+ for a set as it was b4 AE. Buying salvage for 4mill a pop b4 never bothered me as much as trying to afford purple sets now. |
There might be another solultion besides red/blue market merge. What if these existed a third market that both villian and hero could access, like say in Pretoria?
It would give both sides two seperate places to market to spreading the bounty/famine. Players would have to consider the best market versus quickest return. Crafter toons would have more place to buy and sell all that stuff they have to make.
It would also act as an incentive for pretorian characters to be created past the initial content because they will have access for the first 20 levels.
The thing that struck me about red-side market was not just the recipes/salvage but just general lack of activity. My tutorial inspires routinely sell for 1/4 of what they do on the blueside. To me, this smacks of lack of demand due to a drastically lower population.
PS. I just want to say "Thanks!" to all the marketers in this forum for helping to teach me ways to ouftit my main and all my alts by some pretty easy to do marketing and hints. I love creating a lvl 1 toon and in a few hours making him a millionaire. You guys rock!
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There are pros and cons. Either everyone uses the preatoria market exclusively in which case the markets are effectively merged, there's just an extra level of complication. Or you end up making the problem even worse by splitting the demand and supply three ways instead of two.|
Originally Posted by DevilYouKnow
There might be another solultion besides red/blue market merge. What if these existed a third market that both villian and hero could access, like say in Pretoria?
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I suspect you'd actually end up with a mix of the two. The Black Market ends up almost completely empty since villains shop at the Preatorian market. Heroes still tend to use WWs but enough use the preatorian market to make it more attractive to villains than the BM.
Hmm...I'm sure I have a Siphon Insight somewhere, but it's probably the Pool B.
The problem I have with pieces like that that have little or no market history is...what do you list it for? You have to guess on what the market is for it from not a lot of information. List it too low, you probably don't get what it's worth. List it high, you may never sell it (wasting the fee and a slot). When faced with this sort of dilemma, what do I tend to do? Not list it at all, but pack it away to worry about later.
Suggestions:
Super Packs Done Right
Influence Sink: IO Level Mod/Recrafting
Random Merit Rolls: Scale cost by Toon Level
From the picture you can probably tell it was listed more than 8 million and less than 10.1 million. I think I tried a 2 million and 4 million bid before that.
I'm not sure how high I might have bid, but given that it was exactly what I wanted and another was probably going to be a very long wait (and I'm still bidding on another), I would have gone quite a bit higher.
my lil RWZ Challenge vid
oooo yes ... when I look up prices for the toons that I want to slot its like *oohgawd and close the window*
Yeah they only way I can support paying the redside prices is trading influences into infamy and merits to squeeze out those expensive ones such as LOTG.
I'm not sure what a merger would do besides level out the supplies for a short while -- It would be interesting to find out. There definitely is a shortage on redside - ebil marketers!
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It's over six months old and you're the first person to buy one. Ever.
Redside is sick. I have a budget of hundreds of millions of inf on one character, and I simply can't buy for him what I want because it's not available, even at NAO prices.