Question about Invul and capping defense to E/N/F/C

Hey guys,

I am at work and something occured to me. I can easily make S/L resistance to 90% so I am not interested in defense for that. However, what secondary is best to slot sets that can get me near cap defense for

Energy
Negative Energy
Fire
Cold

I know this is prolly an odd question, but was asking to see what kind of sets are best for this. And what secondary meshes well with the kind of power requirements needed to slot them.

I know Psy is a major hole as well but trying to see how I can get as close to 45% as possible for invul type tank.


(note* I already have 50's of Firey Aura, Stone armor, Willpower, Ice Armor, Electric, Shield and a high level dark aura, this is simply a project I want to attempt with Invul)

The wiki site has a pretty good listing of what sets provide different types of bonuses, how large the bonus is for the slot costs.

The index for it is here.

Negative/Energy Defensive Bonuses

And although this page says it's only about Fire Defensive Bonuses, it also covers Cold defensive bonuses


Hope this helps.

For an invuln tank, the most likely ones are:

E/N:

- 3x Eradication. Avoid the quad; the rest of the set is very cheap.
- 2x Basilisk's Gaze in an APP hold. Chose the cheapest 2 pieces.
- 3x Thunderstrikes in an APP hold/blast.
- 2x Blessing of the Zephyr
- 3x Pulverizing Fisticuffs or Pounding Slugfest. Note that 6-slotting an attack with 3 of each actually gives pretty decent enhancement bonuses.


F/C:

- 5x Mocking Beratement (the 6th slot bonus is 7.5 rech so you may as well go all the way). Note that it goes in your secondary attacks as well.
- 3x Aegis in your toggles or passives.

okay so how is this? Without invinc on I have 42-44 defense to Fire, Cold, Energy and Neg Energy.. with invinc with only 1 person in site I cap to over 45+%.

How does this look?

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Capped fire-cold-energy-neg Invul electric tank: Level 50 Magic Tanker
Primary Power Set: Invulnerability
Secondary Power Set: Electrical Melee
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fighting
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Temp Invulnerability -- Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(A), Aegis-ResDam/Rchg(5), Aegis-EndRdx/Rchg(7), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(21), Aegis-ResDam(31)
Level 1: Charged Brawl -- P'ngFist-Acc/Dmg(A), P'ngFist-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(7), P'ngFist-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(19)
Level 2: Dull Pain -- Dct'dW-EndRdx/Rchg(A), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(3), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(3), Dct'dW-Heal(11), Dct'dW-Rchg(37)
Level 4: Resist Physical Damage -- Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(A), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(5), Aegis-ResDam/Rchg(13), Aegis-ResDam(15), Aegis-Psi/Status(37), S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(42)
Level 6: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 8: Unyielding -- Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(A), Aegis-ResDam/Rchg(9), Aegis-EndRdx/Rchg(9), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(13), Aegis-ResDam(31)
Level 10: Combat Jumping -- Zephyr-Travel(A), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx(11)
Level 12: Taunt -- Taunt-I(A)
Level 14: Super Jump -- Zephyr-Travel(A), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx(15), Zephyr-ResKB(33)
Level 16: Resist Elements -- Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(A), Aegis-ResDam/Rchg(17), Aegis-EndRdx/Rchg(17), Aegis-ResDam(43), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(46)
Level 18: Health -- Heal-I(A), Heal-I(19)
Level 20: Stamina -- EndMod-I(A), EndMod-I(21)
Level 22: Invincibility -- RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(A), RedFtn-Def/Rchg(23), RedFtn-EndRdx/Rchg(23), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(27), RedFtn-Def(40), RedFtn-EndRdx(43)
Level 24: Resist Energies -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), RctvArm-ResDam(25), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(25)
Level 26: Tough Hide -- DefBuff-I(A), DefBuff-I(27)
Level 28: Thunder Strike -- Erad-Dmg(A), Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(29), Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(29), C'ngBlow-Acc/Dmg(34), C'ngBlow-Acc/Rchg(40), C'ngBlow-Dmg/Rchg(42)
Level 30: Chain Induction -- P'ngS'Fest-Acc/Dmg(A), P'ngS'Fest-Dmg/EndRdx(31), P'ngS'Fest-Dmg/Rchg(33), P'ngFist-Acc/Dmg(34), P'ngFist-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(34), P'ngFist-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(46)
Level 32: Unstoppable -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(33)
Level 35: Jacobs Ladder -- Erad-Dmg(A), Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(36), Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(36), C'ngBlow-Acc/Dmg(36), C'ngBlow-Acc/Rchg(37), C'ngBlow-Dmg/Rchg(43)
Level 38: Lightning Rod -- Erad-Dmg(A), Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(39), Erad-Dmg/Rchg(39), C'ngBlow-Dmg/Rchg(39), C'ngBlow-Acc/Dmg(40), C'ngBlow-Acc/Rchg(42)
Level 41: Boxing -- Acc-I(A)
Level 44: Tough -- Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(A), Aegis-ResDam/Rchg(45), Aegis-EndRdx/Rchg(45), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(45), Aegis-ResDam(46)
Level 47: Weave -- RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(A), RedFtn-Def/Rchg(48), RedFtn-EndRdx/Rchg(48), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(48), RedFtn-Def(50), RedFtn-EndRdx(50)
Level 49: Build Up -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(50)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Gauntlet
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Set Bonus Totals:

• 4% DamageBuff(Smashing)
• 4% DamageBuff(Lethal)
• 4% DamageBuff(Fire)
• 4% DamageBuff(Cold)
• 4% DamageBuff(Energy)
• 4% DamageBuff(Negative)
• 4% DamageBuff(Toxic)
• 4% DamageBuff(Psionic)
• 3% Defense(Smashing)
• 3% Defense(Lethal)
• 26.4% Defense(Fire)
• 26.4% Defense(Cold)
• 24.3% Defense(Energy)
• 24.3% Defense(Negative)
• 3% Defense(Psionic)
• 3% Defense(Melee)
• 22.1% Defense(Ranged)
• 26.4% Defense(AoE)
• 5.4% Max End
• 15% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
• 4% Enhancement(Heal)
• Knockback (Mag -4)
• Knockup (Mag -4)
• MezResist(Immobilize) 5.5%
• MezResist(Sleep) 4.4%
• MezResist(Terrorized) 2.2%
• 3% (0.05 End/sec) Recovery
• 8% (0.63 HP/sec) Regeneration
• 3.78% Resistance(Fire)
• 3.78% Resistance(Cold)
• 3% Resistance(Psionic)
• 25% RunSpeed
• 12.5% XPDebtProtection

• 5% RunSpeed
• 3.13% Defense(Fire,Cold), 1.56% Defense(AoE)
• 2.5% XPDebtProtection
• 3.13% Defense(AoE), 1.56% Defense(Fire), 1.56% Defense(Cold)

• MezResist(Sleep) 2.2%
• 1.25% Defense(Energy,Negative), 0.63% Defense(Ranged)

• MezResist(Terrorized) 2.2%
• 1.26% Resistance(Fire,Cold)
• 4% Enhancement(Heal)
• 5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)

• 5% RunSpeed
• 3.13% Defense(Fire,Cold), 1.56% Defense(AoE)
• 2.5% XPDebtProtection
• 3.13% Defense(AoE), 1.56% Defense(Fire), 1.56% Defense(Cold)
• 3% Resistance(Psionic)

• 3% Defense(All)

• 5% RunSpeed
• 3.13% Defense(Fire,Cold), 1.56% Defense(AoE)
• 2.5% XPDebtProtection
• 3.13% Defense(AoE), 1.56% Defense(Fire), 1.56% Defense(Cold)

• 3.13% Defense(Ranged), 1.56% Defense(Energy), 1.56% Defense(Negative)

• 3.13% Defense(Ranged), 1.56% Defense(Energy), 1.56% Defense(Negative)
• 3.13% Defense(AoE), 1.56% Defense(Fire), 1.56% Defense(Cold)
• Knockback Protection (Mag -4)

• 5% RunSpeed
• 3.13% Defense(Fire,Cold), 1.56% Defense(AoE)
• 2.5% XPDebtProtection
• 3.13% Defense(AoE), 1.56% Defense(Fire), 1.56% Defense(Cold)

• MezResist(Immobilize) 2.2%
• 1.26% Resistance(Fire,Cold)
• 2% DamageBuff(All)
• 5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
• 2.5% Defense(Ranged), 1.25% Defense(Energy), 1.25% Defense(Negative)

• MezResist(Immobilize) 1.1%
• 1.25% Defense(Energy,Negative), 0.63% Defense(Ranged)

• 1.8% Max End
• 3.13% Defense(Energy,Negative), 1.56% Defense(Ranged)

• 1% (0.02 End/sec) Recovery
• 1.25% Defense(Energy,Negative), 0.63% Defense(Ranged)

• 8% (0.63 HP/sec) Regeneration
• 1.25% Defense(Energy,Negative), 0.63% Defense(Ranged)

• MezResist(Sleep) 2.2%
• 1.25% Defense(Energy,Negative), 0.63% Defense(Ranged)

• 1.8% Max End
• 3.13% Defense(Energy,Negative), 1.56% Defense(Ranged)

• 1% (0.02 End/sec) Recovery
• 1.25% Defense(Energy,Negative), 0.63% Defense(Ranged) (Exceeded 5 Bonus Cap)

• 1.8% Max End
• 3.13% Defense(Energy,Negative), 1.56% Defense(Ranged)

• 1% (0.02 End/sec) Recovery
• 1.25% Defense(Energy,Negative), 0.63% Defense(Ranged) (Exceeded 5 Bonus Cap)

• 5% RunSpeed
• 3.13% Defense(Fire,Cold), 1.56% Defense(AoE)
• 2.5% XPDebtProtection
• 3.13% Defense(AoE), 1.56% Defense(Fire), 1.56% Defense(Cold) (Exceeded 5 Bonus Cap)

• MezResist(Immobilize) 2.2%
• 1.26% Resistance(Fire,Cold)
• 2% DamageBuff(All)
• 5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
• 2.5% Defense(Ranged), 1.25% Defense(Energy), 1.25% Defense(Negative)

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Enough of a good thing doesn't necessarily mean more is better; in other words, IMO this is waaay overboard on the E/NE/F/C def, to the detriment of other aspects of the build. Remember, this is with one foe in range of Invinc--in most team tanking circumstances you'll have more than that.

Also, Invinc should not be delayed past 18, and certainly not for ResEl, which is right up there with Unstop for Invul powers most often skipped.

Here's a rework of your build, which still hits your goals but is much more balanced in terms of attack slotting and other desirable goals for a Invul tank. I used GotA in Invinc and Weave for the recovery and +end bonuses; if you prefer LotG and can afford them, go for it.

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Capped fire-cold-energy-neg Invul electric tank: Level 50 Magic Tanker
Primary Power Set: Invulnerability
Secondary Power Set: Electrical Melee
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fighting
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Temp Invulnerability -- Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx:50(A), Aegis-ResDam/Rchg:50(5), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg:50(21), Aegis-ResDam:50(31)
Level 1: Charged Brawl -- C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg:30(A), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:30(7), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx:30(7), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:50(19), C'ngImp-Dmg/Rchg:50(37)
Level 2: Dull Pain -- Dct'dW-EndRdx/Rchg:50(A), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg:50(3), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg:50(3), Dct'dW-Heal:50(11), Dct'dW-Rchg:50(37)
Level 4: Resist Physical Damage -- Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx:50(A), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg:50(5), Aegis-ResDam/Rchg:50(13), Aegis-ResDam:50(15), S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+:30(42)
Level 6: Swift -- Run-I:50(A)
Level 8: Unyielding -- Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx:50(A), Aegis-ResDam/Rchg:50(9), Aegis-ResDam:50(9), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg:50(13)
Level 10: Combat Jumping -- Zephyr-Travel:50(A), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx:50(11)
Level 12: Taunt -- Mocking-Taunt:50(A), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg:50(33), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg/Rng:50(42), Mocking-Acc/Rchg:50(43), Mocking-Taunt/Rng:50(46), Mocking-Rchg:50(50)
Level 14: Super Jump -- Zephyr-Travel:50(A), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx:50(15)
Level 16: Health -- Heal-I:50(A), Heal-I:50(17), Heal-I:50(17)
Level 18: Invincibility -- GftotA-Def/EndRdx:40(A), GftotA-Def/Rchg:40(19), GftotA-Def/EndRdx/Rchg:40(43), GftotA-Def:40(46)
Level 20: Stamina -- EndMod-I:50(A), EndMod-I:50(21), P'Shift-End%:50(50)
Level 22: Resist Elements -- Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx:50(A), Aegis-ResDam/Rchg:50(23), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg:50(23), Aegis-ResDam:50(27)
Level 24: Resist Energies -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx:40(A), RctvArm-ResDam:40(25), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg:40(25), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg:40(31)
Level 26: Tough Hide -- DefBuff-I:50(A), DefBuff-I:50(27), DefBuff-I:50(40), Ksmt-ToHit+:30(43)
Level 28: Thunder Strike -- Erad-Dmg:30(A), Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:30(29), Erad-Dmg/Rchg:30(29), Sciroc-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:30(34), Sciroc-Dmg/EndRdx:50(40)
Level 30: Chain Induction -- P'ngS'Fest-Acc/Dmg:30(A), P'ngS'Fest-Dmg/EndRdx:30(31), P'ngS'Fest-Dmg/Rchg:30(33), P'ngFist-Acc/Dmg:25(34), P'ngFist-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:25(34), P'ngFist-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:25(46)
Level 32: Unstoppable -- RechRdx-I:50(A), RechRdx-I:50(33)
Level 35: Jacobs Ladder -- Erad-Dmg:30(A), Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:30(36), Erad-Dmg/Rchg:30(36), Sciroc-Dmg/EndRdx:50(36), Sciroc-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:50(37)
Level 38: Lightning Rod -- Erad-Acc/Rchg:30(A), Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:30(39), Erad-Dmg/Rchg:30(39), Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:30(39), Sciroc-Dmg/EndRdx:50(40), Sciroc-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:50(42)
Level 41: Boxing -- Acc-I:50(A)
Level 44: Tough -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx:40(A), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg:40(45), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg:40(45), RctvArm-ResDam:40(45)
Level 47: Weave -- GftotA-Def/EndRdx:40(A), GftotA-Def/Rchg:40(48), GftotA-Def/EndRdx/Rchg:40(48), GftotA-Def:40(48)
Level 49: Build Up -- RechRdx-I:50(A), RechRdx-I:50(50)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Gauntlet
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Set Bonus Totals:

• 8% Defense(Smashing)
• 8% Defense(Lethal)
• 18.6% Defense(Fire)
• 18.6% Defense(Cold)
• 20.5% Defense(Energy)
• 20.5% Defense(Negative)
• 3% Defense(Psionic)
• 5.5% Defense(Melee)
• 16.4% Defense(Ranged)
• 10.8% Defense(AoE)
• 9% Max End
• 4% Enhancement(Heal)
• 7% Enhancement(Accuracy)
• 17.5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
• 63.2 HP (3.38%) HitPoints
• MezResist(Held) 2.75%
• MezResist(Immobilize) 4.4%
• MezResist(Sleep) 2.2%
• MezResist(Terrorized) 2.2%
• 4% (0.07 End/sec) Recovery
• 38% (2.97 HP/sec) Regeneration
• 6.26% Resistance(Fire)
• 1.26% Resistance(Cold)
• 20% RunSpeed
• 10% XPDebtProtection

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Iv had my invuln/elec for several months fully IOd and is a total beast of a tank almost nothing will kill this build (other then the usual heavy psi damage) in about 95% of CoX you wont die specially from S/L damage this build is 45-46% defence to all with just 1 baddie maxes out at 59-60% to all has nice AOE damage and single to maintain aggro on a large mob

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Thanks for all the advice guys I just might attempt this project after all

But the second part to my orginial question was never really answered.

What secondary can make this goal happen the easiest when paired with Invul? Is electric the prime option for it?

Again just looking for outside opinions since this project interests me

For ease of doing that, avoid Energy. The rest of the sets should work just fine, as they all have at least 2 PBAoE powers.

Dark Melee even has 3 powers that accept PBAoE sets.

AFAIK the pbaoe stun powers like handclap and lightning clap do not accept pbaoe damage sets.