It depends on how hard people say it hits... I recently got a BS/regen to 50 and I found that it hit quite hard, harder than my katana/claws/DM and MA scrappers. The recharge itself isn't too bad. But even so, more recharge never hurts!
'Tis true though that it doesn't seem to be the most populary primary, I don't see many union players running around wielding a good 'ol BS. But I fail to see why, it's a very strong set and I find it very enjoyable 
disembowel and headsplitter really do hit that hard.
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Good, thats what I was hoping for.The numbers look very large, but I wanted to make sure my Orc would cleave things in 2.|
Originally Posted by RoboBug
disembowel and headsplitter really do hit that hard.
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Broad Sword is very SMASH. It should do the trick for you. You might also consider going with Shield Defense instead of Super Reflexes - it'll boost your Broad Sword damage, plus Shield Charge will send your enemies flying. The combination is the most fun I've had from 1-50, and seems fairly well-suited to your concept.
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If you really want to stick with the orc-ish theme then I'd advise a Battle Axe or Mace/WP brute. Best thing I could think of and it'd fit the theme imo.
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Well, I thought about SD for the Brute, but then I didnt want to take that set again because one of my Brutes has it, but, I may do what you suggjest anyhow.Mainly because Ninja Run is a good theme modifier when it comes to a shield character.|
Originally Posted by Werner
Broad Sword is very SMASH. It should do the trick for you. You might also consider going with Shield Defense instead of Super Reflexes - it'll boost your Broad Sword damage, plus Shield Charge will send your enemies flying. The combination is the most fun I've had from 1-50, and seems fairly well-suited to your concept.
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Shield goes in front, and weapon trails behind ready to be swung, as well as you run with shield still in front...like a shield should be!
Horusaurus, im sorry to dissapoint you, but thats what the commonly thought of Orc is, but if you fish around, and research them, they arnt all angry mace and axe carrying savages with IQs the size of there shoes.They tend to have way more control then that, and think like a human can.
Battle Axe/SR brute then?
It seems you're the one that isn't thinking outside the box. You think of brutes as being big angry dumb guys who smash things because they can't comprehend the idea of finesse. Which is what you say people think about orcs. There is no rule saying a brute has to be big and dumb any more than there is saying an orc has to be.
I have a DM/SR brute that is very finesse oriented. The fury mechanic in his case represents the adrenaline rush he gets from fighting rather than getting mad and smashing things.
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yeah but he cant use battle axe cause his one track orcish mind sees battle axe/WM as lacking in finesse!
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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
Battle Axe/SR brute then?
It seems you're the one that isn't thinking outside the box. You think of brutes as being big angry dumb guys who smash things because they can't comprehend the idea of finesse. Which is what you say people think about orcs. There is no rule saying a brute has to be big and dumb any more than there is saying an orc has to be. I have a DM/SR brute that is very finesse oriented. The fury mechanic in his case represents the adrenaline rush he gets from fighting rather than getting mad and smashing things. |
You lost me.
You talk about Finesse, then tell me im not thinking out of the box either, yet you suggjest Battle Axe and being a Brute, instead of a Scrapper?
I think you need another cup of coffee.
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You lost me. You talk about Finesse, then tell me im not thinking out of the box either, yet you suggjest Battle Axe and being a Brute, instead of a Scrapper? I think you need another cup of coffee. |
You stated yourself that you have issue with the view that orcs are all savage, and dumb with no ability to reason.
You say that view is incorrect, and that orcs can in fact reason and fight with finesse and tactics.
Then you went on to say that you're not going to make your orc character a brute, because brutes are all smash and can't fight with finesse and tactics.
You are dismissing brutes as being big and dumb with no ability to reason.....which is exactly the same thing as saying an orc is big and dumb with no ability to reason.
Basically I'm calling you on being a hypocrite. You're saying that all brutes are the same, while you challenge the notion that all orcs are the same.
If you want to stick to your guns about orcs, you have to concede that I have a point about brutes, or you will, in fact, be a hypocrite. And I'm not being insulting here, what you are doing in this thread is the literal definition of hypocrisy.
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I'll explain.
You stated yourself that you have issue with the view that orcs are all savage, and dumb with no ability to reason. You say that view is incorrect, and that orcs can in fact reason and fight with finesse and tactics. Then you went on to say that you're not going to make your orc character a brute, because brutes are all smash and can't fight with finesse and tactics. You are dismissing brutes as being big and dumb with no ability to reason.....which is exactly the same thing as saying an orc is big and dumb with no ability to reason. Basically I'm calling you on being a hypocrite. You're saying that all brutes are the same, while you challenge the notion that all orcs are the same. If you want to stick to your guns about orcs, you have to concede that I have a point about brutes, or you will, in fact, be a hypocrite. And I'm not being insulting here, what you are doing in this thread is the literal definition of hypocrisy. |
Im very well aware brutes can be of a intellegent cast, however, in stories and books with Orcs, they tend to make them out as angry, and ill tempered savages, and commonly called Brutes.
Now, do me a favor, go read what it says about Brutes.The longer they fight, the ANGRIER they become.I was trying to avoid the Stereo-type, that Orcs are Brutes, that use Barbarian tools, rather then tools like a Sword, which is considered a Knightly, or Civilized melee weapon.
Its rather common knowledge, that 9 times out of 10, when someone becomes enraged, there intellegence level, as well as there capability for reasoning drops, and Aggressive, and Physical performance increase.
As for your jumping the gun, saying im being a hypocrite, I really think you should have read what I wrote in the first place.
I wrote, that in "Stories", Orcs are seen as dumb, brutish, morons effectlivly, and I wanted to avoid that Stereo-Type with my Orc Themed character.
Oddly enough, in most stories, Orcs dont use shields, and are considered rather fast, so SR does fit them rather easly when it comes to speed, but apperantly those knights wearing 100lbs of armor have a +100 to there toHit buffs, cause the Orc is commonly feld in 1 swing.
Now, im glad your taking a political stance on my post here, but its totally unwarranted, and you really need to go back to school, for reading comprehension.
I have however, need to go back to school for the obvious spelling errors.
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Now, do me a favor, go read what it says about Brutes.The longer they fight, the ANGRIER they become.
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At least that's what you seem to be saying here. Yes, the game mechanic is called Fury, but couldn't it just as easily be an adrenaline rush rather than anger?
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If the brute stereotype is universally true, as you are saying here, why is the orc stereotype not universally true as well?
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What you're saying about brutes is that the fury bar can't represent anything BUT anger. I say the fury bar can represent anything you want it to represent.
You also say that an orc can be intelligent and agile. I never once argued with that, because I happen to agree that not all orcs are necessarily the dumb, crude barbarians they are made out to be. But you're also saying that if you created the character as a brute he would have to be a dumb, crude barbarian, and it's just not true. You can define your character any way you want, making him a brute does not mean he HAS to be a certain way.
And to think, all this started because I suggested a powerset combination that fit what you were looking for. A Battle Axe/Super Reflexes brute.
Edit: I think the real question here is: If you're so set on your Orc themed character not being stereotypical, why are you going with the clunkiest, most barbaric scrapper set available? If you really want to make an out-of-the-box orc, go with katana and take the Chinese broadsword (assuming you have the martial arts pack of course)
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By telling you that you took a political stance on my post, was pretty much me trying to be snarky towards you, because you said something silly, and told me to think out side of the box, when you still, to this moment, do not understand what iv been saying.|
Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
So, this would be a stereotype. Because that's what it says about brutes, that means it is true of all brutes?
At least that's what you seem to be saying here. Yes, the game mechanic is called Fury, but couldn't it just as easily be an adrenaline rush rather than anger? This would also be a stereotype. Because that's what it says about orcs, that means it is NOT true of all orcs? If the brute stereotype is universally true, as you are saying here, why is the orc stereotype not universally true as well? It's not a political stance at all. You're contradicting yourself, and saying that one stereotype is absolutely true, with no exceptions, while saying that another stereotype is not true at all. What you're saying about brutes is that the fury bar can't represent anything BUT anger. I say the fury bar can represent anything you want it to represent. You also say that an orc can be intelligent and agile. I never once argued with that, because I happen to agree that not all orcs are necessarily the dumb, crude barbarians they are made out to be. But you're also saying that if you created the character as a brute he would have to be a dumb, crude barbarian, and it's just not true. You can define your character any way you want, making him a brute does not mean he HAS to be a certain way. And to think, all this started because I suggested a powerset combination that fit what you were looking for. A Battle Axe/Super Reflexes brute. Edit: I think the real question here is: If you're so set on your Orc themed character not being stereotypical, why are you going with the clunkiest, most barbaric scrapper set available? If you really want to make an out-of-the-box orc, go with katana and take the Chinese broadsword (assuming you have the martial arts pack of course) |
I was effectivly telling you that your a good politician, because you just had to sit there and pick every reply apart, and debate it.You should run for congress.
Just to clearify, I mentioned the word Brute, many times.I also want to point out that I said words like Stupid, and Dumb when in refrence to how stories depicted the Orcs in them.Im not talking about your brute, or anyone elses brutes.
I have a Brute that uses a Kinetic Acclerator Suit to up his damage output, and he is a very smart scientist.
I also have a brute thats a half fire demon, and the more he uses his powers, while his endurance starts to drop, the hotter and more damaging he becomes.Kind of like how a Candle burns brightest, right before it goes out.
So im talking about Orcs in STORY BOOKS, as being written in as dumb, and easy to kill brutes, beacuase thats whats in the STORY BOOKS.....
Orcs are commonly considered ugly to Human, Elves, Dwarves, and Fairy Folk alike, so there are commonly written in as the dumb, easy to trick, easy to kill bad guys.When researching them points to the opposite direction, that they are smart, very strong, very agressive, and very fast, and more then a match for most, if not all of the before mentioned beings.
Good enough clarification for you?
Wow, Fire Minded, you need to learn some self-control (which is ironic, given the Orc stereotype). You're unnecessarily rude to people who're trying to help you out. Seriously, not cool. See I could rant at you here and point out that your tenuous grasp of English, basic comprehension and self-control are all hilariously ironically similar to the stereotype of Orcs, but I realise that were I to act in such a way I would not only be hurting the feelings of another person, but presenting myself in a less than admirable light.
So, even though I'll doubtless regret this, I'm going to try and help with this debate. You're saying that public misconception of Orcs is that they're brutish, feeble-minded beasts who lumber along and smash things, whereas, in actuality, the lore represents them in a totally different light. You're saying that you don't want to make a Brute version of an Orc because the lore for Brutes, rather than the public misconception, is that:
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Brutes live to fight, and as a Brute, you will revel in hand-to-hand combat. With strong offensive power sets designed to inflict pain and impressive defenses to take it, you're the best there is in a straight melee fight. Protracted battles only make you mad, and the madder you get, the more damaging your attacks become. You do lack ranged attacks, which could leave you vulnerable to hit-and-run tactics without allies to cover you.
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However, Scrappers possess no such limitation in their description:
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The Scrapper is a fierce melee combatant. In hand to hand, no other hero can compare. But the Scrapper is not as resilient as the Tanker, and might find himself in a little trouble if he heedlessly wades into combat. The Scrapper's aptitude for melee is countered by a total lack of distance attacks. Scrappers possess Critical Strike capability. Their melee attacks have a chance to sometimes do double damage.
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Orc (pronounced /ˈɔrk/) is a word used to refer to various races of tough and warlike humanoid creatures in various fantasy settings. Orcs are often portrayed as misshapen humanoids who are brutal, warmongering, and sadistic. Conversely, some settings and writers describe them as a proud warrior race with a strong sense of honor (for example, Morgan Howell's Queen of the Orcs). They are variously portrayed as physically stronger or weaker than humans, but always high in numbers. They often ride boars, wolves and wargs. In many role-playing and computer games, though not in Tolkien's works, Orcs mainly have green skin (earning the name "Greenskins" in such games as Warhammer Fantasy).
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Lastly, I'd just like to point out that when someone breaks a higher level concept down to its smaller constituent parts in a debate they're not 'acting like a politician' or trying to pull one over on you, it's the only way to debate higher level concepts:
John: The soul exists and we survive our physical death as a soul
James: This presupposes substance dualism
John: So?
James: In order for the soul to survive our physical death, it must be a non-physical substance
John: So?
James: Non-physical substance is a contradiction in terms
In this mock-debate, James wasn't being sneaky by breaking down John's larger argument, it's simply impossible to debate very highly evolved concepts like John's initial statement without breaking it down into its constituent, individually disprovable factual statements.
Hi there.
Iv got a few questions for these 2 sets, but first a little back story on why these 2 sets come to mind.If you want to know, then read on, if not, skip to the questions.
Iv been wanting to make a Orc themed character in this game, and I kept comming agenst this wall that mades me think of WoW, or Ulitma Online, ect.In terms of how they use there hands, hammers, maces, and axes.
Iv played many games with Orcs being the bad guys in them, and watched movies like Lord of the Rings, where they are easly slaughtered, and just dumb as bricks.
Orcs have been my favorite Mythical creatures since I was little, and I have been doing some research on there mental, as well as physical attributes a bit to come up with a character I could play in CoX.
All the information iv come acrossed suggjests that they arnt much dumber then common humans, nore do they live much longer then humans do, and are very war like most of the time.However, iv also come acrossed in many cases, that Orcs have honor, and find fighting to be second nature to them, because of there aggressive nature, and the physical strengths they possess gear them to being war-like.
Orcs are commonly 25-200% larger then humans, in height, weight, and strength, as well as very fast reflexes, even for there size.
What I find interesting, is with how powerful bodied, and fast these creatures are, as well as being just as smart as humans, that they could be depicted so poorly as weak fighters, and easly killed morons, mainly to show how cunning and powerful we humans are in stories, to make it more interesting.
The truth is, That 7'8 foot tall, 400lb Orc running at full speed with a hammer in one of his hands is going to destroy that Armored Knight in 1 blow, and send it flying back 15 feet, and possibly hammer the Knight flat after it lands for grins.
Picture the movie Shrek, where he is throwing around Knights in the courtyard playfully, and now think of Orc just as big, with alot more muscles, and a huge aggression problem doing that scene.It would make for a fun movie id say.
Now, not all Orcs are uncontrollably aggresive brutes.Many of the well trained types learn to use the maximum potential of there bodies, and control there anger, and use quick thinking over hoping they survive by running in like a bull in a china shop, and some even learn how to use Magic, from Nature Magic, to Earth Magic, to Necromancy being the most commonly depicted on the 3.
So, iv decided to make a 7 foot tall Orc, level him up, quest for the Roman Armor Pieces, and then go after the sword that has a eye ball in it.(cant remember its name)
I want atleast 1 costume that looks like a old school orc warrior, but for most of the time, im going to be running around with Ninja Run, and that same sword trailing behind me, wearing Biker Gear, and Jacket, chains, the Biker works.Its just a shame I cant have a Harley in this game.
Anyhow, Does Broadsword really hit as hard as people keep saying?I dont see anyone using it on Freedom with there Scrappers, so its hard to know its performance, and will Quick Reflexes give a nice enough boost to my sword primaries recharge to see a noticable diffrence?