Asking for critique/advices for SD/SS tanker

Hi all!

I have been working with a build for my 'main tanker' (the tanker I mainly use)... I have a past experience with building characters and often letting out details, so I'd like to get advice for the build iif I should have forgotten something important.

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By the way, I would also like some advice to where I should put my lvl 43 slot.

Thanks for the help ^^

I'd certainly do things differently if this was my build. I wouldn't put more then 4 slots in either OwtS or Weave and I'd take those extra slots and put them into true grit where I'd either slot for more regen or for resistance. Resistance would be my preference and I'd lean towards using the Aegis set.

Secondly, you've got an extra enhancement slot floating around. I'd put that into Rage, along with moving the recharge slot on AAO and the 5th slot in Battle Agility (the one holding the Red Fortune:end/recharge) there as well. This gives you 6 slots in Rage where I'd do a full set of Gaussian's, getting you sooo much closer to the defensive soft cap of 45% and giving Rage nearly 50% more "to hit bonus" and around 80% more damage bonus. Slight improvement.

Speaking of 5th slots, I'd also take your Red Fortune:End/Recharge in Deflection and replace it with the Steadfast +3% def/resist unique... putting you over said soft cap.

As always, YMMV.

I am about to feel like a dumb-**** when I do things like I've done now, but I have changed a little in the build, not much, just switched out the Red Fortunes for LotG's in order to get more rech. Btw, I also forgot to say that I'd like for Hasten to be perma'ed, if it's possible to it without the big losses on the overall battle scene.

And Rangle, I would like to know something about your tips... I would be willing to do what you say to rage, as long as it's still able to perma it.

Let's see whatcha got going now if you've made any other changes.

Lol, soz Xp forgot to post the build :S

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You're still not softcapped and endurance is going to be a problem

Forget the LotGs and you could do a whole lot better for what they cost

Focus on softcapping first then end management - hit points after that and recharge lastly - no need to worry about accuracy with Rage

You can drop OwtS as you won't need it with being softcapped

Slot the Gauss set in Rage - slot the Steadfast unique in Tough - slot the Miracle recovery in Health

At least two recharge reductions in Active D

Once you're softcapped and working on end try for 2 points or better a second (you're at roughly 1.6 now)

The most efficient ways to do that are adding to max end, end reduction in attacks, and increasing recovery, the least is end reductions in toggles

Bruise_Missile gave some good advice; for Shields, the first goal should always be soft-capping, IMO.

Getting the Steadfast +Def should be a top priority--it could go in Deflection, True Grit, Tough, or OwtS--and I second Bruise's suggestion to 6-slot Rage with Gaussian's, since it gives you a 2.5% defense bonus to all positions. With the Steadfast +Def, Gaussian's set and Weave, you'll be within a few percent of soft-capping, and there are a bunch of ways to get there. Actually, your current slotting would pretty much do it with the bonuses in Shield Charge, Hurl, and Foot Stomp.

Some other slotting issues:

As a rule, standard defense and resistance toggles don't need more than 4 slots. Currently, Deflection, Battle Agility and Weave should lose one LotG slot. I think you should also consider replacing one or more of the LotG sets with 4 slots of GotA, which has very nice recovery and +end bonuses. (It's a heck of a lot cheaper than LotG, too!)

Deflection and True Grit provide resistance as well as defense/regen, so I suggest that you add a couple of common resist IOs to each.

Active Defense needs another slot of Recharge, and Against All Odds is a toggle, so the recharge is wasted there. One end red should be plenty for AAO, so pull two slots and use them somewhere else.

FYI, the additional defense slotting in Phalanx fighting will only increase your defense if you have a teammate close by, so most Shield players just leave it at a single slot with a common defense IO. (Though a LotG +Recharge would be fine too.)

If you can free up the slots, both Health and Stamina could use another since they still pretty far from the ED cut-off.

One with the Shield is way over-slotted. Once you hit 56% resist enhancement the gain is miniscule, and OwtS doesn't take recharge enhancements. 4-slots in the absolute maximum I'd recommend, often it's only one-or-two-slotted. You might consider using Aegis instead of Reactive Armor in OwtS and Tough--RA is a good set for typed defense, but the positional bonuses are tiny and not worth slotting for, IMO. The AoE bonus in Aegis is small, but it's better than RA and it looks like you're a little lower on AoE than the other positions.

Your attack slotting is not bad, though note that the Oblits in Shield Charge are very low in endurance reduction, so that might be a place to look if you start having endurance problems. Are you planning to use Kick on a regular basis? If not, save yourself some influence, drop the Mako's, and use the slots somewhere else.

Minus the empty slots of which came from my trademark slotting that exist on most my tanks (I made them empty and moved them) here is a knock up build plan (power order not finalized) for my Shield/SS. It's not perfect nor finalized, it's just to show what I'd mostly do. I think that people who come here with a build to show effort are far better than those who simply ask for one so no need to feel like a dumb whatever. Don't do shyness, egoes should be left at the door with tanks.

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Gemma: Level 50 Magic Tanker
Primary Power Set: Shield Defense
Secondary Power Set: Super Strength
Power Pool: Flight
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fighting
Ancillary Pool: Energy Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Deflection -- LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx:50(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg:50(9), LkGmblr-Def:50(9), Aegis-ResDam:50(17), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg:50(17), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx:50(19)
Level 1: Jab -- T'Death-Acc/Dmg:40(A), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx:40(3), T'Death-Dmg/Rchg:40(3), T'Death-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:40(13), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:40(15), T'Death-Dam%:40(34)
Level 2: True Grit -- Numna-Heal/EndRdx:40(A), Numna-Heal/Rchg:40(7), Numna-Heal:40(7), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx:30(19), Aegis-ResDam/Rchg:30(31), Aegis-ResDam:50(33)
Level 4: Haymaker -- T'Death-Acc/Dmg:40(A), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx:40(5), T'Death-Dmg/Rchg:40(5), T'Death-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:40(13), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:40(15), T'Death-Dam%:40(34)
Level 6: Active Defense -- EndRdx-I:50(A), Empty(43), Empty(43), Empty(46)
Level 8: Against All Odds -- EndRdx-I:50(A), Empty(37), Empty(46), Empty(50)
Level 10: Battle Agility -- S'dpty-Def/EndRdx:40(A), S'dpty-Def/EndRdx/Rchg:40(11), S'dpty-Def:40(11), S'dpty-Def/Rchg:40(34), S'dpty-EndRdx/Rchg:40(36)
Level 12: Taunt -- Empty(A)
Level 14: Fly -- Zephyr-Travel:50(A), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx:50(37)
Level 16: Phalanx Fighting -- LkGmblr-Def:50(A), LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(36)
Level 18: Swift -- Run-I:50(A)
Level 20: Knockout Blow -- C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(A), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:50(21), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(21), C'ngImp-Dmg/Rchg:50(23), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg:50(23), Lock-EndRdx/Rchg/Hold:50(36)
Level 22: Health -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+:50(A)
Level 24: Stamina -- EndMod-I:50(A), P'Shift-EndMod:50(25), P'Shift-End%:50(25)
Level 26: Shield Charge -- Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:30(A), Erad-Dmg:30(27), Erad-Dmg/Rchg:30(27), Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:30(29), Sciroc-Acc/Rchg:50(29), Sciroc-Dmg/EndRdx:50(37)
Level 28: Rage -- Rec'dRet-Pcptn:20(A)
Level 30: Hasten -- RechRdx-I:50(A), RechRdx-I:50(31), RechRdx-I:50(31)
Level 32: One with the Shield -- ImpArm-ResDam:40(A), ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx:40(33), S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+:30(33)
Level 35: Grant Cover -- LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx:50(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg:50(40)
Level 38: Foot Stomp -- Erad-Dmg:30(A), Erad-Dmg/Rchg:30(39), Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:30(39), Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:30(39), Sciroc-Acc/Rchg:50(40), Sciroc-Dmg/EndRdx:50(40)
Level 41: Kick -- C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg:50(A), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx:50(42), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(42), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(42), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:50(43)
Level 44: Tough -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx:40(A), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg:40(45), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg:40(45), RctvArm-ResDam:40(45), RctvArm-EndRdx:40(46)
Level 47: Weave -- LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx:50(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg:50(48), LkGmblr-Def:50(48), LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(48)
Level 49: Conserve Power -- RechRdx-I:50(A), RechRdx-I:50(50), RechRdx-I:50(50)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Gauntlet
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Set Bonus Totals:

• 5% DamageBuff(Smashing)
• 5% DamageBuff(Lethal)
• 5% DamageBuff(Fire)
• 5% DamageBuff(Cold)
• 5% DamageBuff(Energy)
• 5% DamageBuff(Negative)
• 5% DamageBuff(Toxic)
• 5% DamageBuff(Psionic)
• 8% Defense(Smashing)
• 8% Defense(Lethal)
• 10.5% Defense(Fire)
• 10.5% Defense(Cold)
• 12.1% Defense(Energy)
• 12.1% Defense(Negative)
• 3% Defense(Psionic)
• 11.1% Defense(Melee)
• 9.88% Defense(Ranged)
• 8.63% Defense(AoE)
• 3.6% Max End
• 25% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
• 26% Enhancement(Accuracy)
• 5% FlySpeed
• 274.1 HP (14.6%) HitPoints
• 5% JumpHeight
• 5% JumpSpeed
• MezResist(Held) 5.5%
• MezResist(Immobilize) 11%
• 20% Perception
• 2.5% (0.04 End/sec) Recovery
• 66% (5.16 HP/sec) Regeneration
• 15% RunSpeed

• 10% (0.78 HP/sec) Regeneration
• 21.1 HP (1.13%) HitPoints

• 5% RunSpeed
• 3.13% Defense(Fire,Cold), 1.56% Defense(AoE)

• MezResist(Immobilize) 2.75%
• 28.1 HP (1.5%) HitPoints
• 2.5% DamageBuff(All)
• MezResist(Held) 2.75%
• 3.75% Defense(Melee), 1.88% Defense(Lethal), 1.88% Defense(Smashing)

• 12% (0.94 HP/sec) Regeneration
• 35.1 HP (1.88%) HitPoints

• 5% RunSpeed
• 3.13% Defense(Fire,Cold), 1.56% Defense(AoE)

• MezResist(Immobilize) 2.75%
• 28.1 HP (1.5%) HitPoints
• 2.5% DamageBuff(All)
• MezResist(Held) 2.75%
• 3.75% Defense(Melee), 1.88% Defense(Lethal), 1.88% Defense(Smashing)

• 4% (0.31 HP/sec) Regeneration
• 14.1 HP (0.75%) HitPoints
• 3% Enhancement(Accuracy)
• 1.25% Defense(AoE), 0.63% Defense(Fire), 0.63% Defense(Cold)

• 3.13% Defense(Ranged), 1.56% Defense(Energy), 1.56% Defense(Negative)

• 10% (0.78 HP/sec) Regeneration
• 7.5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)

• MezResist(Immobilize) 2.2%
• 21.1 HP (1.13%) HitPoints
• 7% Enhancement(Accuracy)
• 5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)

• 5% JumpSpeed, 5% JumpHeight, 5% FlySpeed, 5% RunSpeed

• 1.8% Max End
• 3.13% Defense(Energy,Negative), 1.56% Defense(Ranged)
• 42.2 HP (2.25%) HitPoints

• 10% (0.78 HP/sec) Regeneration

• 20% Perception

• 2.5% (0.04 End/sec) Recovery

• 3% Defense(All)

• 10% (0.78 HP/sec) Regeneration

• 1.8% Max End
• 3.13% Defense(Energy,Negative), 1.56% Defense(Ranged)
• 42.2 HP (2.25%) HitPoints

• 10% (0.78 HP/sec) Regeneration

• MezResist(Immobilize) 2.2%
• 21.1 HP (1.13%) HitPoints
• 7% Enhancement(Accuracy)
• 5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)

• MezResist(Immobilize) 1.1%
• 1.25% Defense(Energy,Negative), 0.63% Defense(Ranged)
• 1.25% Defense(Smashing,Lethal), 0.63% Defense(Melee)
• 1.25% Defense(AoE), 0.63% Defense(Fire), 0.63% Defense(Cold)

• 10% (0.78 HP/sec) Regeneration (Exceeded 5 Bonus Cap)
• 21.1 HP (1.13%) HitPoints
• 9% Enhancement(Accuracy)
• 7.5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)

I’m looking at the second posted build, and there are significant issues.

Because shield tanks have no heal, getting defenses well above softcap (45%+) is a priority. There has been a lot of effort there to trim down recharge values at the expense of defense. Recharge will not keep you alive with these powersets. You need to be looking at places where you can leverage defense bonuses and getting your defenses in order first.

An SD/SS tanker does not need many attacks to do his/her job well. You will basically be alternating Haymaker, KoB, and footstomp and using SC when available. Slotting jab and kick are a waste of slots that you need in other places. I personally think hurl is a waste as well. Six slotting OWtS is awful. That power needs one resist at best.

I argue that slotting Deflection for resist is a waste. SD is a defense set. You need to work on your defenses before your resists. Also, slotting True Grit for health is a waste. At ED cap at level 50, TG will give you 150 HP. TG needs to be slotted for resistance as this becomes a major source of your smashing/lethal mitigation especially based on my argument for Deflection.

Here is my build, which, while expensive, is pretty much invincible, can sustain a continuous attack chain with three attacks (+occasional sands of mu), SC every 23-27 seconds, has no endurance issues, and rarely ever has to pop OWtS. CP is in the build merely to mitigate the OWtS end crash/repeated Rage downers. Note the defense values which are almost at 50% to each position even when solo. You can bring melee defense above 50 easily by sacrificing some AoE defense (Titanium for Aegis, Oblit for Scirocco) but I wouldn’t bother. As a tank, your main concerns are melee and AoE damage.

You could squeak out a bit more recharge by dropping a slot out of Phalanx and using it to put a Force Feedback Proc in footstomp, or switching ToD in Haymaker for Kin Combat (at the loss of 1.88% melee defense) for the extra slot, but I haven’t found recharge to be an issue.


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The third build by New Dawn (which appeared while I was writing this) is better but lacks focus in set bonus slotting and consequently is not as strong as it could be. It also suffers from a lot of wasted slots and ignores the use of cheap and simple sets that provide easy-to-get defense set bonuses.

Ok, now I have tried to edit the build, though, I have some problems with all the empty slots here and there. I'd like to get a note as to where to put them, let me hear your thoughts...

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Well, I'm one who *does* think that the resistance in Deflection and True Grit is worth slotting. Having some resistance is a nice fallback for a defense set since you will get hit sometimes, especially in the case of defense debuffs. So'd I'd use 4 of the slots to put 2 common resist IOs in each of those powers.

For the last slot, one option is to add it to SS and slot two Blessing of the Zephyr for some additional ranged defense. Or you could put it in Taunt, and replace the Perfect Zingers with 4 Mocking Beratement which would give you a small melee defense bonus and a +end bonus. (Actually, I'd be tempted to pull a slot from either OwtS or Kick and do both, but your call.)

I just noticed that the build I previously posted doesn't import correctly, it looks at incorrect base values. This is the copy and paste of it, no changes.

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Ok, I've made some more changes, please comment

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Drop OwtS as being softcapped you'll never use it and you already have two minor end crashes

You have too many attacks you wont use
I'd get rid of Haymaker and definitely drop Hurl

Don't slot for accuracy or regen bonuses as Rage is perma and the amount of regen you can get is not going to save you - again you're softcapped - work towards bonuses that stack with what you have like hp

Doesn't seem like inf is a problem so check this build - it will go anywhere do anything without inspirations - it's close to my first endgame build and I was able to tank LR

If you want to fit Haymaker in you could drop the medecine pool, but if it was me I'd drop grant cover and steal the slots from jab

Also, look at the hp values if you add the accolades

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Ok, let's see.

Bruise: Why should I drop Haymaker? I do not mind losing Grand Cover as it was just a filler, which can be seen on the slotting. The reason I chose Hurl is mostly so I won't need to run after enemies, although I realize that that might not happen with the taunts... Thus, I would like an idea as to what to choose instead of Hurl, and gladly Grand Cover too.
I do not plan on losing OwtS, as I always like to have pre-cautions, for example if it should happen that I'd like more Max HP/Res while fighting an AV.
Your comment about not going that much after regen bonuses is understandable, but as I can see it, I only have one set that is giving a Regen bonus, and I am gonna switch that set out with Mocking Beratement.
About Jab, I'm gonna at least remove 1 of it's 4 slots, into Taunt, but having the power rather mentionably slotted is in my opinion 'smart', as I can't respec it out and thus might as well use it.

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Originally Posted by New Dawn To answer this I got Iron Generals build, my properly importable build and your build up. What's exactly right doesn't exist. You have to go with what you feel most comfortable with. I ain't comfortable farming for purples. I don't love the game in that way plus you can do without them. Def We all manage or can manage to softcap, Irons way over. Rec-End drain with accs Iron Gen = 2.25 = IG wins ND = 2.12 You with accolades = 2.21. Some peoples builds are more offensive, but you got to have the end gain to recover fast end lost. Regen Iron Gen = 26.2 hp per sec ND = 27.1hp per sec = I win but do I have the most res? You with accolades = 24.1 hp per sec Resistance Sans OWTS Iron Gen = 39% S/L C25% NRG C29% ELE ND = 46% S/L C23% NRG and ELE You = 46% S/L C25% NRG C27% ELE = You win. Rechg. Iron Gs is highest, mine second, and yours third, not that much in it when we all have Kick to put a +rechg force feedback in and shout "This is Sparta!!!" Tohit. More importantly accuracy. It depends on what you get up to. 200% approx for soloing AVs is said to be a nice figure. I like to use yellows sometimes. I have probably made the mistake of predicting that I have enough as if mine was Invuln. Max HP sans OWTS with Accs, remember this helps regen and means with resists you have more of a healthbar. Iron G = 2590 ND = 2869 You = 2833 but you cap with OWTS My impression. All in all I like your build, it's good enough, for what you want prolly. I omitted some slots by making them empty, so mine will improve slightly.

New Dawn, I am awfully sorry to say this, but I don't understand what you mean by this :P If you could please summarize it, so I can understand the basics I'd be pleased, but of course, it's your opinion if I can use that information.

What's not to understand? I think you've practically got ya build. You could just look at what you may not need and/or seek other bonuses or lose excess ones. I trimmed yours a bit.

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About your post with this Iron General, what I didn't understand was the different informations. Iron General is one of your toons i presum? What do you mean by ND?

Also, about your changes, I would like to know if there is an actual reason why you have put an SO in Hasten instead of a common IO? Also, a more or less general question: what should True Grit be slotted out with, when we're talking Heal, Doctored Wounds or Numina's Convalescence?

Bruise, to answer your question: Basically I plan on teaming, that's mostly what I plan on doing with any character... Though, I cant say that it won't happen that I'll try soloing AV's, just don't know.

But I would actually be glad if the char could do some AE'ing, as I haven't tried it that much (Not farming, at least not primarily)

There's a been a change in my build, since I can't use the new animation for Haymaker (Gaddamn the current state of things!), so I'm open for changes in the build that can fill out for Haymaker.