So, to restate, you're looking for a human-only PB build that's good for taking point on teams and you're flexible as to tactics you use beyond that point. Sounds like what you want should be easily doable.
As for what to expect, all characters are relatively weak before SOs at 22. That said, PBs do quite well with their muliple heals and their energy-based damage, especially on teams where the inherent can actually make you much stronger at lower levels than other characters (on sewer runs, for instance, you'll likely do very well indeed).
On the matter of tactics, the human-form ranged attacks are somewhat anemic compared to the Bright Nova versions. Most human form builds take at least a few of them anyway, but your main source of damage output is the melee powers Radiant Strike and Incandescent Strike. I-Strike also has a hold component to it. Since you're wanting to be in the thick of things Solar Flare will also be key for you, and of course the shield toggles and the two self-heals.
I think you'll find that the PB isn't nearly as weak as you might assume. For Voids or Quantums in the low levels, generally eating inspirations and rushing the problem works best. The only thing that'll likely give you serious trouble is boss-class Voids but those don't spawn outside of a large team, so you should have help assuming you have one or two good people out of your 7-8 man team (which isn't always the case). Once you get I-Strike at level 18 it's also useful for the Q/Vs because of the hold component and the damage. Many people also find Super Speed/Stealth helpful, but that's more of a playstyle decision and might conflict with your vanguard fighter concept.
Likely one of the human-only variant gurus can give you more advice, but that's my perspective. YMMV.
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Except for those who start slotting cheap set IO's early. Because triple IOs at level 17 are 99% the effectiveness of an equal level SO and you can put them in as low as when you're level 14. Level 20 triples are better than +3 SOs and so are level 24 duals. They are also cheaper in the long run if you frankenslot with the cheap ones instead of aim for top-level sets.|
Originally Posted by Justaris
As for what to expect, all characters are relatively weak before SOs at 22.
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Here is the Wiki listing of where the effectiveness of each type of enhancement works out. Seriously, look into using IOs as low as level 15. If you think SO's are worth slotting than so is a level 17 triple or level 20 double. And you can get them earlier and often cheaper than SOs, plus they never expire.
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It's true... IOs are more effective...
However, they're also a hell of a lot more expensive, comparatively speaking... Any "new" player without any sort of stored up cash from other toons would not be able to afford a completely IO'd-out build at level 15, especially if they're not familiar with WWs money-making strategies.
IO'ing out your build is extremely viable, yes, but it's just also worth noting that most people recommend DO'ing or SO'ing out your build until they can actually afford IO'ing it out... I know several people who choose to IO out their build at lvl 25, and then wait to replace all those IOs until they hit 50...
If one can afford it in the beginning, good on them. If one can't, well.... Someone might have to take Justaris' advice.
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Originally Posted by Infernus_Hades
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This is pertty much the play style I adopt when playing my PB. If you're on a big enough team with at least one blaster and scrapper then you just rush through the groups.
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Originally Posted by AlienOne
It's true... IOs are more effective...
However, they're also a hell of a lot more expensive, comparatively speaking... Any "new" player without any sort of stored up cash from other toons would not be able to afford a completely IO'd-out build at level 15, especially if they're not familiar with WWs money-making strategies. IO'ing out your build is extremely viable, yes, but it's just also worth noting that most people recommend DO'ing or SO'ing out your build until they can actually afford IO'ing it out... I know several people who choose to IO out their build at lvl 25, and then wait to replace all those IOs until they hit 50... If one can afford it in the beginning, good on them. If one can't, well.... Someone might have to take Justaris' advice. "Alien" |
Level 30 Entropic Chaos Just sold two for 1,000 each. Salvage: 2 commons, 1 uncommon, 1 rare (Alien blood). Most expensive salvage: Clockwork Winder, average price 3k. Alien blood sells as low as 500 sometimes.
Maelstrom's Fury Acc/Dam from levels 20-25, sell 1 or 2 a month of each level. Price ranges from 1k to 20k. Salvage costs: about another 10k or less.
Far Strike level 19 Dam/Recharge (1 on the market right now) last 5 sales average 3k. Salvage: Clockwork Winder (3k) Simple Chemical (300), Polycarbon (700). If you drop down to the level 16 there are 4 on the market and they go for only 1k each.
Salvo Dam/End/Recharge, none under level 20 for sale right now, but they show up. Salvage is again dirt cheap, no rares, Ancient Artifact is the "expensive" one. This recipe moves between 500 and 50,000 so could be expensive if you're not patient.
Salvo Acc/Dam is available right now at every level from 10 to 20 at least one of each level. Price going from 500 to 10k, salvage is even cheaper than the triple.
There's a lot of Volley Fire on the market under level 25, nothing costs more than 25k, most of them down around 5k.
From the Market Forum's last level 10 challenge (level a new toon to 10, put all drops on the market for 1 inf, so you might lose money) the lowest income anyone had was over 100k by level 10. Should be more than enough by level 15 to buy a few IOs? And that's not counting the "free" ones that you get as loot, complete with often finding the needed salvage to craft them. Happens at least once on each character I've made. Get a couple luck charms or similar high value drops and you can easily be rolling in inf early on.
I'm not saying, build out your whole character using level 20-ish IOs. But use 'em where they fall and where you can buy 'em cheap. Why not? In the long run, even a level 20 IO is as good or better than an SO, so it will last you to 50 without being "gimpy". And they are far from expensive.
Oh sure, if you want the Salvo Quad or some of the Melee procs, they're multiple millions. But there are cheap sets that no one uses, that have recipes on the market right now in the price range of a character at level 15 to 20.
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Right, but you're not counting the 20-30K influence it takes to craft each one of those recipes.
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Originally Posted by Fireheart
Right, but you're not counting the 20-30K influence it takes to craft each one of those recipes.
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As an example, I consider myself a bit of an idiot and I was able to afford them on my very first character before level 20. I didn't even know how to tell what sets were in which category, and I didn't know there was such a thing as the market but I had about 10 IOs slotted just based on what dropped and I was able to craft from random luck plus the one level 10 I crafted doing the tutorial. I would hold an enhancement and look at what areas lit up telling me I could slot it. then I would put it into an empty spot. If I couldn't use it anywhere I deleted it because I thought you couldn't sell them.
And if I can do it, then seriously anyone can.
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Good lord I never realized how much I'd miss having a comp. I'm getting tempted to go buy windows 7 and reformat my old computer. (A virus + malware ate mine, was using Avast) If I ever get my hands on the people who write those things I'll probably end up violating the Geneva convention. I'm thinking the headgear used to keep people awake and watching something plus clips of Jar Jar from Phantom Menace.
Anyways I'm trying to figure out what to slot for after I get enough defense to ignore quants. I'm thinking extra damage but recharge, endurance, or hp might be good. Also is the nuke worth taking. If I do take it I will probably use it whenever I get a chance as a fight finisher.
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I got my new computer... yay!!! Damn near had a gollum moment when I was opening it and someone had a open drink nearby. So I'll be playing a PB soon I'm gonna try a different server from triumph. I think I'll be playing on Freedom. Just another 5 hours till COH finishes downloading...
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I have a level 27 scrapper that has never seen an enhancement. Am I missing out cuz ive done just fine without them.
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Yes, you are missing out in a huge way. If you add in some Single Origin enhancements in a logical fashion, you'll notice a huge difference in how your character plays. What server are you on?
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When my new comp arrives I plan on playing a Peacebringer for my 5th attempt at making one I like. I was hoping to play as a vanguard style character. Not vanguard like the in game organization but like the guy who hits first in a battle. Punches a hole for others to come through and then disrupts any remaining defense. I plan on getting around 30% ranged defense if I can do it without weakening the remainder of my build.
The advice I need is on forms and attack strategies. I'd prefer not to use forms but I'm open to advice. As for attack strategies do I lead with a ranged aoe, ranged single, or do I go in and pretend that the boss/void/quant is Worf and try to toss him around like a ragdoll. Also at what level can I start to do this kind of stuff. My impression over the last attempts has been that peacebringers are very weak at low levels. I've never gotten one over 20.
I've got another 2-3 weeks before my new comp gets here. So I've got plenty of time to figure it out. Please help.
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