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Why Vengeance?|
Originally Posted by Postagulous
First, what's the deal with no WP/Elec posts? The combo has even been suggested recently and everything. I'm actually making a melee version of a blaster I have, though he's elec^3.
So, WP primary. I want everything but the rez. Secondary, I want everything but Clap. I need Stamina [even with QR] and want Vengence and Weave, plus Salt Crystals. I'm two powers over. I made a build w no taunt and no build-up. I feel I should take taunt as I've only been good at holding aggro as a TAoE squishy. With WP's lack of aura, I'd be hitting taunt as a melee before I get Chain. Losing Build-Up, being from a blaster background, just hurts. I'm not sure I could aim the cone of Ladder correctly w the enemy so close either. Ideas? I'll work out the order later. Thanks. |
Being a Tank you should not want your team to die.
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I assume there will be scrappers on the team at times. Vengeance prevents team wipes.|
Originally Posted by Vitality
Why Vengeance?
Being a Tank you should not want your team to die. |
Though, that said, my reasoning might not be the best. "Not all combination make sense."
And it all fits if I lose Vengeance and Tactics. Makes me want to take CJ and leave it on all the time, except when Ninja Run toggles it off. Maybe leave BU off.
I need to cap some Smash/Lethal and this really is going to require me to Set the heck out of this.
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Ladder is probably skippable. It seems to be even harder to target than Shadow Maul; this may be an artifact of shorter activation time means you notice it less. My rule of thumb in tanker secondaries is to take the tier 2 or 3 attacks, but not both.|
Originally Posted by Postagulous
I'm not sure I could aim the cone of Ladder correctly w the enemy so close either.
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Why do you want Leadership pool? If it's a concept thing you may need to make sacrifices.
Since IMO Electric Melee is the premier multi target tanker secondary, you'll get less mileage out of Salt Crystals than most. I do like Salt Crystals for WP tankers, but mostly because it's a big AoE attack without knockback issues. You also get less benefit from it because your tier 1 and 2 attacks accept sleep sets, if you want to slot them. They are a cheap way to set bonuses you might covet.
If you plan on early Tough and Weave, Strength of Will may sit idle on your bar most of the time. Its function can be duplicated with team buffs or inspirations. It can be skipped if your build is tight.
This skeleton build works in all your desired pool powers at the expense of SoW and a travel power:
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Level 48 Magic Tanker
Primary Power Set: Willpower
Secondary Power Set: Electrical Melee
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Earth Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: High Pain Tolerance -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Charged Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Fast Healing -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Havoc Punch -- Empty(A)
Level 6: Indomitable Will -- Empty(A)
Level 8: Rise to the Challenge -- Empty(A)
Level 10: Swift -- Empty(A)
Level 12: Quick Recovery -- Empty(A)
Level 14: Health -- Empty(A)
Level 16: Thunder Strike -- Empty(A)
Level 18: Boxing -- Empty(A)
Level 20: Stamina -- Empty(A)
Level 22: Mind Over Body -- Empty(A)
Level 24: Build Up -- Empty(A)
Level 26: Taunt -- Empty(A)
Level 28: Chain Induction -- Empty(A)
Level 30: Heightened Senses -- Empty(A)
Level 32: Tough -- Empty(A)
Level 35: Weave -- Empty(A)
Level 38: Lightning Rod -- Empty(A)
Level 41: Maneuvers -- Empty(A)
Level 44: Tactics -- Empty(A)
Level 47: Vengeance -- Empty(A)
Level 49: Salt Crystals -- Empty(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Gauntlet
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I think dropping Vengeance is a good suggestion. Also, I've dropped tier 1 or 2 with my Elec Melee Brute, so I'd think you could drop your tier 2 and be fine.
Wow, fast and good advice.
Heraclea, thanks for helping. I really respect your opinion from other threads I've read.
Leadership wasn't a concept, I just wanted Vengence for the incredible buff it gives. As much "you plan on death = bad" philosophy gets thrown around, squishies and scrappers will die. Why not have a killparty after?
Salt's 30 ft radius looks good. I don't really care about the sleep. I was getting it mostly to try to keep some aggro near me. Sleep + the next AoE = Zero. I think Salt is gone.
If SoW was Def rather than Res, well, besides being horribly broken, it would be an ASAP. I think I can drop it, but anything I can throw IOs to get Smash/Lethal Def up is a good thing. I don't normally play tanks so I don't know how rubust this guy is going to be.
I'm going to do a sub-20 build and then switch to the other to fit the prerequisites for Stamina in.
Pre-20 skeleton build:
Hero Profile:
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Level 1: High Pain Tolerance Empty(A)
Level 1: Charged Brawl Empty(A)
Level 2: Havoc Punch Empty(A)
Level 4: Fast Healing Empty(A)
Level 6: Indomitable Will Empty(A)
Level 8: Hurdle Empty(A)
Level 10: Rise to the Challenge Empty(A)
Level 12: Quick Recovery Empty(A)
Level 14: Taunt Empty(A)
Level 16: Thunder Strike Empty(A)
Level 18: Mind Over Body Empty(A)
Level 20: [Empty]
I might extend that to 22 so I'd get SOs going right away. Here's the one with the Stamina setup.
I trimmed more fat than you did, but then I tack on two tp powers on the end, so not the best. I also dropped taunt.
Hero Profile:
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Level 1: High Pain Tolerance Empty(A)
Level 1: Charged Brawl Empty(A)
Level 2: Havoc Punch Empty(A)
Level 4: Fast Healing Empty(A)
Level 6: Indomitable Will Empty(A)
Level 8: Hurdle Empty(A)
Level 10: Rise to the Challenge Empty(A)
Level 12: Quick Recovery Empty(A)
Level 14: Health Empty(A)
Level 16: Thunder Strike Empty(A)
Level 18: Heightened Senses Empty(A)
Level 20: Stamina Empty(A)
Level 22: Mind Over Body Empty(A)
Level 24: Boxing Empty(A)
Level 26: Tough Empty(A)
Level 28: Chain Induction Empty(A)
Level 30: Weave Empty(A)
Level 32: Maneuvers Empty(A)
Level 35: Build Up Empty(A)
Level 38: Lightning Rod Empty(A)
Level 41: Focused Accuracy Empty(A)
Level 44: Physical Perfection Empty(A)
Level 47: Recall Friend Empty(A)
Level 49: Teleport Foe Empty(A)
Thanks again everyone. I think I'm on the right track and just need to get my Tanking tactics down and practice a little.
One thing I'm definatley doing wrong, at least in my opinion, is my character is not a Huge and is in a black outfit. I've always liked brightly colored, enourmous tanks for visibility purposes.
And though I'm saying thanks, if there is any criticism or help you [plural] have, let me know.
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I can see what your saying but I treat that the same way I treat a self-rez. Even more so since your a Tank, you should be the one preventing team-wipes...not vengeance. |
Originally Posted by Postagulous
Leadership wasn't a concept, I just wanted Vengence for the incredible buff it gives. As much "you plan on death = bad" philosophy gets thrown around, squishies and scrappers will die. Why not have a killparty after?
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I don't take the self-rez because I would rather pick a power that helps me stay alive...making the self-rez useless.
I wouldn't take vengeance because I would rather pick a power that helps me keep the team alive...making vengeance useless.
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More doctors doesn't defeat the need for morticians. |
Originally Posted by Vitality
I wouldn't take vengeance because I would rather pick a power that helps me keep the team alive...making vengeance useless.
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Vengeance got dropped for the reason you state and also because Tactics is, imo, a turd.
Plus Vengence the epitome of situational. And if I'm reading up on powers and I see that word, I usually don't want it.
I, too, won't get a self rez. It's a power I would fire once a day, on a bad day.
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Sure, but no tank is completely indestructible. I've seen plenty of situations where the tank dies and the entire team quickly follows unless they're paying attention and run fast enough. If the tank can immediately get up, under his own power, and maybe do some bonus effects to the enemy, it reduces team fatalities.|
Originally Posted by Vitality
I don't take the self-rez because I would rather pick a power that helps me stay alive...making the self-rez useless.
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And sometimes the self-rez is a sound tactic and not just something to be used after 'failing'.
1) Bigger/tougher group than the team can handle.
2) Rush in and toss out as much damage as I can.
3) Hit Self Destruct before they kill me.
4) Boom - lots of damage on the enemy.
5) Rise of the Phoenix - more suffering for the enemy.
Instead of multiple deaths, only one person dies and doesn't even get any debt from it.
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A Willpower tanker with Stamina should not need Physical Perfection. Mine don't, and I bore easily. |
Originally Posted by Postagulous
Level 41: Focused Accuracy Empty(A)
Level 44: Physical Perfection Empty(A) |
Well, maybe if you are running Focused Accuracy and Maneuvers you do; but as I understand it FA is a PvP thing, while Willpower is .... not a PvP thing.
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First, what's the deal with no WP/Elec posts? The combo has even been suggested recently and everything. I'm actually making a melee version of a blaster I have, though he's elec^3.
So, WP primary. I want everything but the rez. Secondary, I want everything but Clap.
I need Stamina [even with QR] and want Vengence and Weave, plus Salt Crystals.
I'm two powers over.
I made a build w no taunt and no build-up. I feel I should take taunt as I've only been good at holding aggro as a TAoE squishy. With WP's lack of aura, I'd be hitting taunt as a melee before I get Chain. Losing Build-Up, being from a blaster background, just hurts.
I'm not sure I could aim the cone of Ladder correctly w the enemy so close either.
Ideas?
I'll work out the order later.
Thanks.