Help with Fire Melee DPS


BrandX

 

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Trying to figure out a good Fire Melee DPS chain in mids.

I'd love to figure out a really good one that uses a Fire Sword (my toon is at the 4ft tall mark, and GFS animation just looks great on her The Sword is as big as her!).

However, I'd love to throw Fire Blast into the chain too...but with Fire Melee that might actually lessen the DPS of any chain when used with FM. Not sure.

That's why I've come here


BrandX Future Staff Fighter
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Do you have a build you can give me or some +rech numbers that you've got so that I actually have something to start with?

If you're going off of the "I has all the +rech I need!" model, your best bet is Incinerate>GFS>Cremate. Incorporating Fire Blast would be incredibly detrimental to your DPS, especially when you realize that Mids' is actually inflating the damage it deals (along with the damage of most fire attacks and other attacks with "chance to inflict DoT").


 

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Originally Posted by Umbral View Post
If you're going off of the "I has all the +rech I need!" model, your best bet is Incinerate>GFS>Cremate.
If you're looking for this chain, which is the best DPS, then the recharge you'll need is:

Incinerate needs 146%
GFS needs 237%
Cremate needs 88%


 

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I'm actually still working on the build as I try to figure out what attack to use.

Now I knew Incinerate -> Cremate -> GFS is the best DPS chain. Was hoping Fire Blast wouldn't hurt the DPS any, but I could always just use it in PvE. The only reason to even use a optimal DPS AC, is in limited top end use.

But if that's the top end AC, what would be the next one down? One that requires just a bit less +RCH?


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Originally Posted by BrandX View Post
But if that's the top end AC, what would be the next one down? One that requires just a bit less +RCH?
If you're not going for top end DPS and can do without the burst damage of GFS, then I'd go for Incinerate -> Scorch -> Cremate -> Scorch, which will save you a power pick and have better eps. This is about 170 dps.

Inc will need 145%
Cremat will need 90%
Scorch will need 75%

If you want to use GFS, then you could use Incin -> GFS -> Cremate -> Firesword. This is about 180 dps, but worse eps.

Inc will need 72%
GFS will need 133%
Cremate will need 24%
FS will need 0%


 

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Note the difference between Inc Sc Cr Sc and Fs Cr Inc Gfs is lower than that for actual builds, because a Hecatomb proc in Scorch for the first chain will give +11.2 DPS, while in the second chain it'll give only +4.34 DPS.


Approximate numbers :

33% chance to do 105 damage = 35 damage on average

Sc Inc Sc Cr takes 5.94s to animate, with 2 uses of the proc.
35*2 / 5.94 = 11.8
Maximum tohit chance is 95%
11.8 * 0.95 = 11.2

Fs Cr Inc Gfs takes 7.656s to animate, with 1 use of the proc.
35 / 7.656 = 4.57
4.57 * 0.95 = 4.34


 

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For exemp it is also good to make sure you have enough attacks, I find myself with 2 attacks whenever I exemp below 30 on my dark/shield.


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Hmmm...with no procs or +DMG from other sources...it would seem (unless my math is wrong) that there isn't much of a difference in DPS of using...

Incinerate - Cremate - GFS

and

Incinerate - Fire Sword - Cremate - GFS

It's a difference of like 6 DPS...am I wrong?

I'm getting 169 and 163 respectively.

Does the use of procs make that much of a difference?


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It would make a slightly bigger difference, but not a big one. FM doesn't see enormous improvements with recharge, or rather it's already great without much recharge.