Annoying or challenging ATs (or powers) to go up against
By
AresSupreme,
Posted on: 2009-11-24 20:03 in Everything about PvP
Free will. I hate people that have the ability to do stuff against me. How dare they. Oh and they haz teams, how dare they team. Oh and they use powers I CALL HAX.
(Personally the only thing that annoys me is ppl who do drive by heat loss's, then again, it's only slightly annoying.)
About the only thing that annoys me these days is being the spike target in a kickball after I've been hit with Glue Arrow, Benumb, and Heat Loss.
Oh, and Gale. The fact that it's applying double the knockback it should be is odd.
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gale is bugged in pvp zones right now?
I think it's working as intended, actually, which is odd. It apparently applies two separate knockbacks within the same server tick (usually, anyways), which means it'll punch through just about any KB protection slotting on a squishy or melee toon without KB protection.
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"One day we all may see each other elsewhere. In Tyria, in Azeroth. We may pass each other and never know it. And that's sad. But if nothing else, we'll still have Rhode Island."
"One day we all may see each other elsewhere. In Tyria, in Azeroth. We may pass each other and never know it. And that's sad. But if nothing else, we'll still have Rhode Island."
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Originally Posted by Not_Epsilon
Free will. I hate people that have the ability to do stuff against me. How dare they. Oh and they haz teams, how dare they team. Oh and they use powers I CALL HAX.
(Personally the only thing that annoys me is ppl who do drive by heat loss's, then again, it's only slightly annoying.) |
There are a few that annoy, not that they are unstoppable but there some really do get annoying time after time.
1) HEAT EXHAUSTION - End drains i don't care about but when you have a Tank with 3212Hp and piddley elec zaps you to death from full health to 0 without getting 1 End back to retaliate is a tad unfair me thinks !!
2) HIBERNATE/PHASE - I hate how everyone and their flipping dog has this power !
3) CAPPED STEALTH - I hate that stalkers are everyones Fotm since Stealth IO, I will def be rolling a Widow for GR and creating a stalker hunter.
4) PSI BLASTERS - omg someone fix that blinking placate proc !
5) DOMS - oh yea, I hate the new damage that doms do omg they hurt!
6) 3rdATTCK - Why on earth does flares do more dmg/sec than blaze!!!! Fix it!
I'll add more if i think of em 
Consciousness: that annoying time between naps.
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Originally Posted by Donna_
There are a few that annoy, not that they are unstoppable but there some really do get annoying time after time.
1) HEAT EXHAUSTION - End drains i don't care about but when you have a Tank with 3212Hp and piddley elec zaps you to death from full health to 0 without getting 1 End back to retaliate is a tad unfair me thinks !! 2) HIBERNATE/PHASE - I hate how everyone and their flipping dog has this power ! 3) CAPPED STEALTH - I hate that stalkers are everyones Fotm since Stealth IO, I will def be rolling a Widow for GR and creating a stalker hunter. 4) PSI BLASTERS - omg someone fix that blinking placate proc ! 5) DOMS - oh yea, I hate the new damage that doms do omg they hurt! 6) 3rdATTCK - Why on earth does flares do more dmg/sec than blaze!!!! Fix it! I'll add more if i think of em |
1) HEAT EXHAUSTION - End drains i don't care about but when you have a Tank with 3212Hp and piddley elec zaps you to death from full health to 0 without getting 1 End back to retaliate is a tad unfair me thinks !!
Here's the problem with this.....HE is not that great if not paired with elec blast. So it won't get nerfed.
2) HIBERNATE/PHASE - I hate how everyone and their flipping dog has this power !
Hibernate ....you can just camp them...phase...i LOVE killing people in phase on my rad.
3) CAPPED STEALTH - I hate that stalkers are everyones Fotm since Stealth IO, I will def be rolling a Widow for GR and creating a stalker hunter.
Get over it.....people have been complaining about stalker since pvp started. Be lucky they still can't one shot you, and they "fixed" ET animation. (i miss the good ole days). As for the forts...i welcome a challenge. Just keep in mind...when stalker's realize you you break hide..they are going to be all over you like a fat boy on a candy bar.
4) PSI BLASTERS - omg someone fix that blinking placate proc !
I 100% agree with this. The devs know it's broken. When it will get fixed who knows.
5) DOMS - oh yea, I hate the new damage that doms do omg they hurt!
I agree....how Dom's got a higher base dmg then blasters i will never know.
6) 3rdATTCK - Why on earth does flares do more dmg/sec than blaze!!!! Fix it!
Out of everything...this annoys me the most...how the hell does ice blast do more then Bitter ice blast. They need to fix this ASAP. I have TONS of ice blast toons shelved because of this. FIX IT PLEASE!!!!!
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play one and you'll realize how misconceived this statement is.|
Originally Posted by __Divine__
5) DOMS - oh yea, I hate the new damage that doms do omg they hurt!
I agree....how Dom's got a higher base dmg then blasters i will never know. |
ranged dom damage is trash compared at the higher end of the spectrum when compared to a sonic/*, psi/*, archery/* or fire/*, as long as the blaster has a secondary with build up.
melee damage is something else. but melee-ing a good blaster = getting TF'd to teh face. so yeah. shuttup divine.
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hi guize, i didn't realize that the moment apoc procs became available, fire blast > ice blast on the vill ladder.
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Originally Posted by __Divine__
6) 3rdATTCK - Why on earth does flares do more dmg/sec than blaze!!!! Fix it!
Out of everything...this annoys me the most...how the hell does ice blast do more then Bitter ice blast. They need to fix this ASAP. I have TONS of ice blast toons shelved because of this. FIX IT PLEASE!!!!! |
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Spoken like a true Dominator Warrior. When you take in count ...dom's can do a 15 second stun (so hawt snax) and do blaster type dmg...i think dom's are well off. I don't care if they keep it like that..i was just saying...blasters got shafted lol.
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Originally Posted by black_barrier
play one and you'll realize how misconceived this statement is.
ranged dom damage is trash compared at the higher end of the spectrum when compared to a sonic/*, psi/*, archery/* or fire/*, as long as the blaster has a secondary with build up. melee damage is something else. but melee-ing a good blaster = getting TF'd to teh face. so yeah. shuttup divine. |
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Have you seen ice blast...here ill run some number for ya.
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Originally Posted by black_barrier
hi guize, i didn't realize that the moment apoc procs became available, fire blast > ice blast on the vill ladder.
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not every dom can do a 15 second stun.|
Originally Posted by __Divine__
Spoken like a true Dominator Warrior. When you take in count ...dom's can do a 15 second stun (so hawt snax) and do blaster type dmg...i think dom's are well off. I don't care if they keep it like that..i was just saying...blasters got shafted lol.
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you're complaining about stuns, not doms tardo.
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run proc's into the numbers if you're gonna go that way.
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Originally Posted by __Divine__
Have you seen ice blast...here ill run some number for ya.
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BLASTER ice bolt = 96.9 cold dmg
Dominator Flares = 105.5 fire dmg
BLASTER ice blast = 145.3 cold dmg
Dominator fire blast = 140. 7 fire dmg
BLASTER Bitter Ice Blast = 125.3 cold dmg
Dominator Blaze = 164.4 Fire dmg
Now keep in mind thats the blaster primary and thats the dominator secondary. Dom still does more dmg. And yes i agree that blaster's get BU+Aim. But Fire doms also get fire embrace that is 80% dmg buff that last 30 seconds. Aim + Bu last 10 and up about as much as fire embrace. Like i said blaster's got wrecked. ESPECIALLY ice.
I always remember primary's being stronger then secondary....as in defender heals being stronger then controllers heals. But this game is so fed up when it comes to numbers now.
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that's a dumb comparison divine.|
Originally Posted by __Divine__
BLASTER ice bolt = 96.9 cold dmg
Dominator Flares = 105.5 fire dmg BLASTER ice blast = 145.3 cold dmg Dominator fire blast = 140. 7 fire dmg BLASTER Bitter Ice Blast = 125.3 cold dmg Dominator Blaze = 164.4 Fire dmg Now keep in mind thats the blaster primary and thats the dominator secondary. Dom still does more dmg. And yes i agree that blaster's get BU+Aim. But Fire doms also get fire embrace that is 80% dmg buff that last 30 seconds. Aim + Bu last 10 and up about as much as fire embrace. Like i said blaster's got wrecked. ESPECIALLY ice. |
compare dominator ice blast to blaster ice blast.
secondary effects are secondary.
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I'm just saying ice is horrible now.....it' needs to be fixed.
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Originally Posted by black_barrier
that's a dumb comparison divine.
compare dominator ice blast to blaster ice blast. secondary effects are secondary. |
nvm:
i'll do it for you.
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net damage difference = around 8pts for the blaster. in one coherent attack chain.|
Originally Posted by __Divine__
BLASTER flares = 110.09 dmg
Dominator Flares = 105.5 fire dmg BLASTER fire blast = 155.16 dmg Dominator fire blast = 140. 7 fire dmg BLASTER Blaze = 153.24 dmg Dominator Blaze = 164.4 Fire dmg |
now, noting that the attacks with the lower recharges have higher damage blaster-side, yeah, in once you start hitting with mutiple attack chains the blaster has a net 20 dmg edge.
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then make your case like a smart pvper.|
Originally Posted by __Divine__
I'm just saying ice is horrible now.....it' needs to be fixed.
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show the ice blast numbers, put procs in, and show how they compare to a blast set with a relatively similar secondary effect (YOU GENIUS PSI PSI PSI PSI GENIUS).
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Trust me my ice blaster is proced...and NO WHERE NEAR the dmg of other blaster sets. Thus the reason i'm rolling archery. =-)
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Originally Posted by black_barrier
then make your case like a smart pvper.
show the ice blast numbers, put procs in, and show how they compare to a blast set with a relatively similar secondary effect (YOU GENIUS PSI PSI PSI PSI GENIUS). |
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yeah ok, the real reason you're rolling archery is because it's effective and not fire, psi or sonic.|
Originally Posted by __Divine__
Trust me my ice blaster is proced...and NO WHERE NEAR the dmg of other blaster sets. Thus the reason i'm rolling archery. =-)
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stupid unique butterflies.
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I was sure that a HE nerf was on the cards already... didn't someone say that before, wishful thinking perhaps ?|
1) HEAT EXHAUSTION - End drains i don't care about but when you have a Tank with 3212Hp and piddley elec zaps you to death from full health to 0 without getting 1 End back to retaliate is a tad unfair me thinks !! Here's the problem with this.....HE is not that great if not paired with elec blast. So it won't get nerfed. 2) HIBERNATE/PHASE - I hate how everyone and their flipping dog has this power ! Hibernate ....you can just camp them...phase...i LOVE killing people in phase on my rad. 3) CAPPED STEALTH - I hate that stalkers are everyones Fotm since Stealth IO, I will def be rolling a Widow for GR and creating a stalker hunter. Get over it.....people have been complaining about stalker since pvp started. Be lucky they still can't one shot you, and they "fixed" ET animation. (i miss the good ole days). As for the forts...i welcome a challenge. Just keep in mind...when stalker's realize you you break hide..they are going to be all over you like a fat boy on a candy bar. |
Phasing into same dimention as the Phaser is a wonderful new fix, but it does just encourage every toon to take it >.<
As for stalker stealth i just think that if you have for example, Tactics, Rectified +perc, targetting drone and a tray of insights you should be able to see something clearly thats 30yrs away >.<
As for the dominator debate... Cmon!
Toons like dominators and stalkers should run from a blaster that's not been spiked, placated, held or mitigated in some way...
Was always the case if the blaster wasn't dealt with smartly you were at their mercy but now!!!! I run from doms and stalks on my blaster cause she doesn't pose them a threat!!
It's a crazy mixed up world !
Consciousness: that annoying time between naps.
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actually, that's cause you're bad, not because they're good.
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Originally Posted by Donna_
Was always the case if the blaster wasn't dealt with smartly you were at their mercy but now!!!! I run from doms and stalks on my blaster cause she doesn't pose them a threat!!
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I refer to an AT, not a player...|
Originally Posted by black_barrier
actually, that's cause you're bad, not because they're good.
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You make reference to me as a player not an AT...
So by your reckoning no matter the blaster I play any one on a stalker or dominator is better than me because they choose to play that AT ? ?
Your not even on the same server as me and you have no idea how i play.
So lets keep the posts constructive shall we?
Consciousness: that annoying time between naps.
Hi all.
Is there a particular power that really annoys you when you get hit by it? Or maybe its something that really messes up things for you in pvp. Do you think certain ATs should usually be able to survive and defeat another (dev's viewpoint of rock-paper-scissors)? Or are you more of an adherent to the "player>AT", and that it basically boils down not to AT rock-paper-scissors, but more on the player himself/herself?Is there a particular AT/build that you seem to have difficulty surviving against or defeating (with the usual pvp toons you use)?
As for me, i dont really mind a lot of stuff.
If i get droned, then at least no one gets rep/a chance at a drop; and if i get to be tp'd into a trap/a mob of other players, then id better be able to take someone down with me -- if i really cant get out fast or use a panic button. I kinda panic a bit though if i get hit with heat loss/exhaustion with no blues. My invul tank and brute still needs more work (need more psi res procs and those bonuses from sets heehe) against a swarm of psi blasters, but at least has to worry less about widows now due to i14; paired mind doms can stil be pretty tricky to go up against; a swarm of sonics also is a bit worrisome. When im on a squishy, like a blaster or corr, i just kinda leave all worries behind about surviving much, and just hope i kill more than i die more.
So feel free to vent out your frustrations against an AT/power(s)...
or tell us of a challenge you'd like to face (maybe for your main pvp toon)...
or maybe share your views what would trump a certain AT against another..
or tell us of a zone encounter or arena battle that you were able to go against a "nemesis" AT/power and was able to beat it