Fire/Regen... Anyone try it?

All you really need is brawl... so whats the point in all this?

Why oh why am I stepping into this...

OK, I hate to be the one to break it to you DimMak, and you're probably not reading this anyway, but your communication skills seem to be lacking, and you don't seem to be aware of it. Let me break down the back and forth:

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Originally Posted by DimMak Go to any PVP zone on freedumb and watch a cat called Zippo- (fire/regen) destroy everything.

OK, Fire/Regen is good at PvP. Good to know, though only peripherally related to the PvE game.

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Originally Posted by Santorican PvP and PvE are two different games. You don't slot for defense in PvP like you would in PvE being one good example

And Santorican points this out.

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Originally Posted by DimMak Disagree

And here's where the trouble starts. What are you disagreeing with? My assumption was the first part second sentence. If you disagreed with that, it meant you agreed with the opposite, so you agreed with "You DO slot for defense in PvP." So it appeared to me that you were saying that you should slot for defense in PvP, and given the context, that you should perhaps dedicate just as much effort to it as you would in PvE.

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Originally Posted by Santorican Go look at the PvP section and see how many builds slot for positional defense. You'll find very very few who do, and the majority of people will make high recharge high regeneration builds and rely on MoG and Phase shift rather then passive defense.

Santorican interprets your one word comment the same as I did. He replies that very few people slot for positional defense in PvP, and instead go for high recharge builds.

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Originally Posted by DimMak I disagree about slotting defense for pve. I don't and I have no issues unless I get complacent. I could see it being somewhat useful, but I have one of those uber regens that cost billions and is easy mode everywhere. Recharge and resistance is better anyday Edit: We could sit here and debate about it or we could team in both PVE and PVP and i could change your thoughts on it.

With this message, it appears that what you meant by your one word "disagree" response was that you shouldn't slot for positional defense in EITHER PvP or PvE. But in that case, for at least PvP, you are AGREEING with what Santorican said. So then your edit makes only half sense - you want to team with him in PvP so that you can change his thoughts on it? But he agrees with you! As for PvE, you're going to show him that a billion influence Regen build dedicated to massive recharge and resistance does fine? Heck, I'd agree with that too. I'd say adding 25% defense so that you get hit half as often might be even better, given that you can do that AND have a massive recharge build with decent resistance. But I won't argue that massive recharge on its own isn't enough to do great in PvE. And as best I can tell, Santorican wasn't arguing with that either.

As another point, perhaps its just me, but "come meet me and I'll show you" comments have always rubbed me the wrong way. If it's PvP, what are you going to show me? I don't PvP. It doesn't matter if I have a superior build; I'm going down because player skill and experience is such a big factor. The same is still true to a lesser extent in PvE, and is quite true of Regen in particular. Much of your survivability at the top end is skill-based. If you're highly-skilled, you're going to do better with your no-defense build than someone else with the exact same build, but with an additional 25% defense. That doesn't mean that an additional 25% defense is bad for you. In this case, it would mean that your skill was making up for a build deficit. It would be tough to come up with PvE situations to prove otherwise. So "I'll show you" hasn't really ever made sense to me.

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Originally Posted by Santorican I never said you don't slot for defense in PvE? I said you don't slot for defense in PvP...

As best I can tell, at this point Santorican is confused by what you're saying. He appears to think you think we should slot for defense in PvE, and is trying to agree with you. Since you said you didn't slot for defense in PvE, it looks like this is simply confusion. Not surprising given your short and seemingly-inconsistent answers, even if we can work out your meaning with hindsight and effort.

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Originally Posted by DimMak OMG! Dude again I disagree that you need defense in PVE being one good example... *Unsubscribed*

Another confusing post. I THINK what you were trying to do is reiterate that you don't need defense in PvE. You don't even seem to realize that Santorican is not and has not been understanding what you're saying. And finally, you bail on the thread in apparent disgust and disbelief at the forum scrappers being so stupid as to think that defense is useful in PvE?

Seriously, what the hell just happened? That was weird.

Could I just buy everyone a beer and chalk this all up to posting most of my comments at around 1 am. I'll just go back to my corner

Sold! And sorry if I came across as harsh. It WAS all just a misunderstanding as best I could tell.

I tinkered in Mid's a bit and came up with this build. I'd appreciate any comments on it (It's PvE only) regarding underslotting, overslotting or just plain wrong slotting as well as power picks (I'm not too sold on the leadership pool, easy LotG mule slots nonwithstanding).

Also, is Dull Pain perma? I don't know how to calculate it factoring Hasten's up/downtime ratio.


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Level 50 Magic Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Fiery Melee
Secondary Power Set: Regeneration
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Body Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Scorch -- T'Death-Acc/Dmg(A), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx(3), T'Death-Dmg/Rchg(3), T'Death-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(5), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(5), T'Death-Dam%(45)
Level 1: Fast Healing -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(A), Numna-Heal(13), Mrcl-Heal(40), RgnTis-Regen+(40)
Level 2: Reconstruction -- Dct'dW-Heal(A), Dct'dW-Rchg(7), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx(15), Dct'dW-EndRdx/Rchg(36), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(37)
Level 4: Cremate -- T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(A), T'Death-Dam%(7), T'Death-Acc/Dmg(9), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx(9), T'Death-Dmg/Rchg(11), T'Death-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(37)
Level 6: Quick Recovery -- P'Shift-End%(A), P'Shift-EndMod(43), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(43), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(45)
Level 8: Build Up -- GSFC-ToHit(A), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg(11), GSFC-Build%(21), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx(31), GSFC-Rchg/EndRdx(37), GSFC-ToHit/EndRdx(46)
Level 10: Dull Pain -- Dct'dW-Heal(A), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx(23), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(33), Dct'dW-Rchg(39), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(46)
Level 12: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(13), RechRdx-I(17)
Level 14: Combat Jumping -- Zephyr-Travel(A), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx(15), LkGmblr-Rchg+(17), Ksmt-ToHit+(21), LkGmblr-Def(46)
Level 16: Integration -- HO:Golgi(A), HO:Golgi(48), HO:Golgi(50)
Level 18: Fire Sword Circle -- Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(A), Oblit-%Dam(19), Oblit-Dmg(19), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(34), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(34), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(36)
Level 20: Boxing -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(25), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(25), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(42)
Level 22: Tough -- HO:Ribo(A), HO:Ribo(23), S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(50)
Level 24: Super Speed -- Zephyr-Travel(A), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx(36)
Level 26: Incinerate -- C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(A), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(27), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(27), C'ngImp-Dmg/Rchg(29), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx(29), RechRdx-I(34)
Level 28: Instant Healing -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(31), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(31)
Level 30: Weave -- HO:Cyto(A), HO:Cyto(33), LkGmblr-Rchg+(33)
Level 32: Maneuvers -- HO:Cyto(A), HO:Cyto(40), LkGmblr-Rchg+(42)
Level 35: Tactics -- HO:Cyto(A), HO:Cyto(42)
Level 38: Moment of Glory -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(39), RechRdx-I(39), LkGmblr-Rchg+(43)
Level 41: Conserve Power -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 44: Physical Perfection -- Mrcl-Rcvry+(A), EndMod-I(45), P'Shift-End%(48)
Level 47: Super Jump -- Zephyr-Travel(A), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx(48)
Level 49: Vengeance -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Critical Hit

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Not perma Dull Pain, but I'm showing a maximum down time of 1.5 seconds. You could call that close enough, or you could stick a recharge in it. I'm not a big pusher of perma Dull Pain, in the sense that every bit of recharge helps.

On soft-capped defense, the closer you get, the more each percentage point helps, and it starts getting ridiculous as you approach the magic 45%, but then once you pass it, you're only making minor gains. Dull Pain has a much much smoother curve as you increase the recharge to and past the permanent mark. So I recommend "as fast as practical" Dull Pain. If that's several seconds away given your budget and build goals, no problem. If it's a 20 second overlap, even better.

I made a few changes, I definitely wouldn't skip GFS, it adds a lot of burst damage to Fire, you lost some defense in the name of recharge though, you're around 25% to melee.

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