Looking for a PvP Stalker


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Which secondaries are good in PvP Resist? Defense?, Regen or Willpower?

I'm leaning towards Electricity, which can be combinded with IOs and Shadow Meld to softcap Defense, and gets a 20% recharge bonus.


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/WP, /Regen, /Nin. Elec is bad.


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Seems like a lot of people recommend Regen WP and Nin, but I am not sure why.

Nin is a Defense set, and thus it seems like a so so idea. It has a good heal and the tier 9 seems great.

WP has all around stuff, but the RttC is an offensive toggle, so the regen from it won't really help most of the time.

Regen is regen, and on a stalker it seems like getting burst damage will kill you outright

Electricity is a resist based set, so you can get it to 60% or so easily, but you can also get 20+ def with IO sets, and 55% with Shadow Meld. Now add in a self heal, recharge and an endurance/regen buff. That seems like a pretty strong combo, so why does this not work?

Is Hibernate a better option than Shadowmeld?


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Originally Posted by Graeve_Digger View Post
Seems like a lot of people recommend Regen WP and Nin, but I am not sure why.

Nin is a Defense set, and thus it seems like a so so idea. It has a good heal and the tier 9 seems great.

WP has all around stuff, but the RttC is an offensive toggle, so the regen from it won't really help most of the time.

Regen is regen, and on a stalker it seems like getting burst damage will kill you outright

Electricity is a resist based set, so you can get it to 60% or so easily, but you can also get 20+ def with IO sets, and 55% with Shadow Meld. Now add in a self heal, recharge and an endurance/regen buff. That seems like a pretty strong combo, so why does this not work?

Is Hibernate a better option than Shadowmeld?
Wp doesnt have RTTC it has Reconstruction


 

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Nin is a Defense set, and thus it seems like a so so idea. It has a good heal and the tier 9 seems great.
Nin is decent because of all the tricks it has - Blinding Powder, Caltrops, and the self-heal, namely. Some love defense builds and some hate them, though they seem to perform decently if you invest a lot in IOs to build your HP and ranged defense.

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WP has all around stuff, but the RttC is an offensive toggle, so the regen from it won't really help most of the time.
Stalker version has Reconstruction instead of RttC. WP is a good PvP Stalker set because it has decent resistances, a bit of regen, and can cap HP on its own with minimal accolade or set bonus involvement (you can get about 30-40 points off the cap just by slotting High Pain Tolerance).

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Regen is regen, and on a stalker it seems like getting burst damage will kill you outright
You shouldn't be getting hit by too much burst damage, as your role in PvP as a Stalker is to AS and maybe throw in a followup attack, and then get out. If you start taking lots of damage you've got Reconstruction and Dull Pain, and MoG is arguably the best tier 9 in the game for any AT. Part of Regen is learning how to anticipate damage spikes so you can time your heals properly.

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Electricity is a resist based set, so you can get it to 60% or so easily, but you can also get 20+ def with IO sets, and 55% with Shadow Meld. Now add in a self heal, recharge and an endurance/regen buff. That seems like a pretty strong combo, so why does this not work?
DR will drop those resistance numbers pretty heavily and incidental defense is largely worthless without elusivity to back it up. Resistance sounds nice in theory but a Stalker has low HP to begin with, which means that resistance doesn't go as far. Even after the buffs to Elec, it's still not a good Stalker secondary.

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Is Hibernate a better option than Shadowmeld?
Depends. Defensive-minded people will pick Soul Mastery because it means they'll give up some ranged damage for a mini-MoG power, and offensive-minded people will pick Leviathan Mastery because Spirit Shark is ridiculously OP'd, but Hibernate can be a death sentence especially in zones.


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Originally Posted by Graeve_Digger View Post
Seems like a lot of people recommend Regen WP and Nin, but I am not sure why.

Nin is a Defense set, and thus it seems like a so so idea. It has a good heal and the tier 9 seems great.

WP has all around stuff, but the RttC is an offensive toggle, so the regen from it won't really help most of the time.

Regen is regen, and on a stalker it seems like getting burst damage will kill you outright

Electricity is a resist based set, so you can get it to 60% or so easily, but you can also get 20+ def with IO sets, and 55% with Shadow Meld. Now add in a self heal, recharge and an endurance/regen buff. That seems like a pretty strong combo, so why does this not work?

Is Hibernate a better option than Shadowmeld?
Mostly cause you dont understand how a lot of PvP works.

Nin is defense based, but can reach high levels of defense, has readily available powers which can slot a variety of IOs. Defense on a stalker isnt actually that bad, you build for enough of it vs mosty ranged you can be pretty tough to hit.

As pointed out /WP doesnt have RttC, it was replaced with a reconstruction clone. A self heal.

Regen is always good, on everything. MoG is up enough and good enough to escape situations, and you will have either phase or hiber to fall back on.

Elec can get good resists, but its defense means nothing since there is no elusivity tacked on. So after all the Blasters rip through your defense, you fall back on Res, which will soon after be completely ignored as you get hit constantly.

Mac knows what hes talking about. Go with that.


 

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Originally Posted by Graeve_Digger View Post
Seems like a lot of people recommend Regen WP and Nin, but I am not sure why.

Nin is a Defense set, and thus it seems like a so so idea. It has a good heal and the tier 9 seems great.

WP has all around stuff, but the RttC is an offensive toggle, so the regen from it won't really help most of the time.

Regen is regen, and on a stalker it seems like getting burst damage will kill you outright

Electricity is a resist based set, so you can get it to 60% or so easily, but you can also get 20+ def with IO sets, and 55% with Shadow Meld. Now add in a self heal, recharge and an endurance/regen buff. That seems like a pretty strong combo, so why does this not work?

Is Hibernate a better option than Shadowmeld?

Trust mac. Always. Forever.

Now, it seems like you don't fully understand pvp so let me give you some tips.

In i13 they added DR which makes IO bonuses for defense VERY weak. it is impossible to softcap anything besides nin and SR or even get close to doing this with IOs. You can barely get a 15-20 percent bonus with DR on without completely gimping yourself.

Defense is good, but blasters Aim/BU will hit through most of the time, but this is only 10 seconds. This leaves out SR because it has no heal and you are left with nin, and when in tier 9 it is pure beast. Throw in a self heal and its a very viable set, but you have to build for alot of KB protection so you dont get thrown around.

WP for a stalker is a mix of resist, defense, regen, and a self heal which is very handy for a stalker. Please not they do NOT have RttC and is replaced with a clone of Reconstruction, which is the same as /ninja's heal. This set is very viable in zones because it has KB protection and KB resist meaning you need NO KB Ios, also it has defense to all the main blaster primaries as well as great resists, it has enhancable +hp power, it has good perception meaning you can get by with just your secondary and a Perception IO. It also has a "tier 9" that is up very often meaning that you have better survivability over time, but it wont make you untouchable like /nin's godmode.
Note that choosing WP means you have to invest LESS IO's building for KB protection, less building for HP bonuses, less slots for perception, and less IOs for defense because WP doesn't really rely on much defense that is enhancable through IOs (although you can build for fire/cold/E/NE defense if your heart is set on it), and my favorite: You dont have to get fitness because you can get all the recovery you need by slotting a numi +/+ and a miracle unique in Fast Healing. Thats right, 3 free power picks for you. This means that you can devote MORE slots and power picks to deck out your OFFENSE, such as more attacks, assault, damage and acc bonuses, etc. This is why WP is my favorite.

Regen dies alot faster in spikes than WP, but if you are good at timing heals and you dont get mezzed you can do pretty good with Regen, but personally I hate having to click MoG before I AS everytime because targets move fast and that animation takes too long for my tastes. Note that Regen has no perception so you may want to invest in tactics. Regen also has a Fast healing power which allows you to skip stamina and fitness all together and add 3 more slots to your arsenal.

Elec is BAD because:

You dont have enough HP for all that resist too be awesome in pvp.

Your heal has a rather long recharge compared to other sets.

Your KB protection only applies on the ground.

Having pure resist means it will get DR'd alot harder than say, WP's resist that also has regen and defense in the set.

Resistance still gets hit by mezzes, debuffs, and all sorts of terrible things that other sets could have avoided.

Did I mention having resist on a low HP toon doesn't help that much?



Hope that helps you out, (dont choose /elec)
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Dude holy crap I thought I was helping by typing out this whole thing and by the time I posted Lith and Mac had already told him everything.

Damn you two


 

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Wow, that is quite a bit different than what I had thought, thanks for pointing out the faults with Elec. I was not aware that IOs in PvP did not give the set bonuses like they do in PvE.

I do have several PvE guys with WP, so I will go Nin. That will be interesting in PvP and PvE. I will probably go Dark Mastery as a primary, since I like what it has to offer. Back to the drawing board for my build :-p


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If you check out the PvP forums, there's a threat just started with builds for a DM/Nin. Take a look over there, people know what they're talking about. Just know that PvP is quite different from PvE, and if you want to know more about it your best bet is to ask around here or check out the patch notes from Issue 13.


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