Hello Scrappers

Whats the current record of simultaneous(sp?) avs?

Dev-created AVs or player-created AVs?

I believe it's a handful of dev-created AVs, or maybe up to the aggro cap of player-created AVs. But I can't remember numbers.

Trying to go for the record? Think you've already achieved the record?

Ah did some digginf and it seems Nihilii did 6 and ValBlademaster did 4.

Yeah, I remembered ValBlademaster, but I was pretty sure that four wasn't the highest. Six, huh? That's a lot of AVs.

Aliana_Blue holds the record at 7 different dev AVs. Each of us have also taken on 17 identical AVs at once (17 because it's the aggro cap).

No temps, no insps, right? I'm guessing you both did it on soft-capped Invulnerability vs. smashing/lethal AVs? That's going to be tough to beat.

What are your "favorite" smashing/lethal AVs?

There's not enough S/L AVs without defense debuffs. I think Aliana went ahead and fought some AVs with defense debuffs anyway, but lacking Siphon Life my mitigation wasn't high enough without the softcap so I went for exotic types too.

Marauder is a given though, with his superstrength he's the absolute weakest AV an invul can find.

That was no temps no insps.

Honestly, I think Aliana could have pushed it further. In fact, Iggy's Fire/Inv example against Silver Mantis makes me think an invul at 45% S/L def with 1 foe in range might be able to take on 8 carefully chosen S/L AVs (as the extra defense would take care of the occasional defense debuff).

S/L avs i can think of right now or at least have some smashing and/or lethal components in their attacks.

Marauder
Bobcat
Dominatrix
Siege
Nightstar
Vandal
Mirror Spirit
Foreshadow(he has energy range attacks but they are pretty weak)
Tyrant
Diabolique(shudders)
Chimera

Dominatrix isn't really an option for such a challenge on scrappers as she has 50% res to everything. Siege and Nightstar are also out for S/L primaries (50% res too). Diabolique phases too much.

There's many more AVs with S/L components in their attacks, the issue is finding the right mix for each specific build. Note Foreshadow is kind of a pansy and wasn't available in the AE before, so that's one easy AV to add to the previous mix (although even easy AVs can become too much once you stack eight of them).

I can be a little more flexible myself, as I also have good resistance to dark and psionic, though I'm not sure what psionic AVs there are that don't have at least some non-positional attacks. Looking at you, Malaise.

Don't think I'll set or even match the record, since my Katana/Dark will be strong against everything, but not unstoppable against anything in particular. I also have no wiggle room for defense debuffs. But I'll be curious to see how many I CAN get. Just a few more expensive and rare IOs. Come on, market people! Sell me your stuffs for less than they's worth! I'm running out of influence here!

(Seriously, I thought I was rich before I started IOing out this toon. Turns out I was wrong.)

Couldn't you make a specific chain using DA as much as possible, keeping it triple or quadruple-stacked to act as a buffer, or would that make the DPS so catastrophically low it wouldn't be worth it ? Eventually, you could run a normal chain and just switch to stacking DA as much as possible while debuffed.

Anyway, with the way prices keep going up and up I'm considering using the Test server for that kind of stuff now. Much easier to just buy one of everything and dupe over and over.

Edit : and now I just noticed you basically suggested the same thing to someone else on another topic, heh.

If no one has done it yet, I'm sure it will be done. I believe that Willpower has the potential to take on a few at once. It can put up some great survivability numbers in crowds, and again, hand pick your AVs to suit its strengths.

(Wait, seriously? Three on your Katana/Fire? I figured Katana/Fire could handle AVs with the right build, but I wasn't anticipating three at once. Nice. )

In my opinion, Power Sink isn't easy to deal with even with decent resistance to endurance drain, unless you've got extra endurance laying around. My gut feeling is Werner probably doesn't - it takes a lot of effort to softcap Dark Armor, so I'm guessing there's not much room for anything else and endurance use might be just at the point where it's sustainable indefinitely, and adding any kind of end drain as little as it might be would break it.

Of course, I could be wrong.

I didnt see her use it once, must have gotten lucky when i toebombed pgt. Just the nuke which all but one of my mortars could handle.

If you're just in melee range for a few seconds, it's very likely she won't use it as she has quite a lot of powers to choose from. She's definitely used it against me.

Anyone have a video of soloing 2+ AVs? I'd be curious to see how the fight goes and how long it take.

Addressing several things at once:

Well, if _Mojo_ hasn't taken on two AVs, I suspect it's only because he hasn't tried. He's got a great build for it, if I remember correctly. I think his build is what convinced me that Katana/Willpower was fully the equal of Katana/Regen against single targets, and pulled ahead in crowds.

Yeah, I don't have much endurance to spare on my Katana/Dark. Not enough to get through endurance drains. I might be able to handle it with enough targets for the Theft of Essense: chance for +endurance. It's hard to know. A whole lot of my endurance recovery is from procs, so I could get lucky or unlucky. Time will tell if I have enough. I can add a little more easily if necessary. But adding a lot more would be a major overhaul.

Here's my 2 AV video, but you probably won't learn much from the video itself. As stated in the description, "The video is only of the most interesting center section, from when I ran in to pull both AVs to the defeat of Hro'Dtohz. From setting up the fight through killing Nemesis took about 35 minutes total." So four minutes of the fight were interesting; 31 minutes were setup and cleanup. I suspect that others have better footage of better fights.

Powerforge did a lot of AV videos and his were in very high resolution, nice to watch if you've got the bandwidth for it. He definitely soloed multiple AVs so I suppose he recorded that too. A search for his name might show up something, he had the links in his sig.

Link to my 4 AVs and 6 AVs videos here. Note the 6 AVs video was cut short because I ran out of HDD space during recording, but in any multiple AV fight the first part is the most interesting anyway.

You know, reading up that thread again I fought Adamastor, Infernal, Requiem, Marauder, Arakhn, Chimera. All but Marauder and Chimera are mostly exotic damage types (I'm consider Infernal exotic because he mostly stayed at range using fire). Werner's Kat/DA would have higher resistances to anything but S/L, the same defense, and higher healing potential. The only downside I see is lower max HP - and it is an important one, because burst damage is what kills you in such fights. Regardless, I could easily see that Kat/DA taking on 4 AVs and possibly more.

Yeah, I bumped up my hit points as much as I could given all my other goals. On paper, I'll have 1833, but I probably won't ever get the Task Force Commander accolade, so let's call it 1766. That's not even close to 2410 as far as surviving multiple AV hits at once. So I'm not holding my breath, but yeah, maybe four or five if I'm lucky and I get really good with Dark Regeneration.

But if I CAN survive multiple AV hits at once, then that which cannot kill me in 14 seconds cannot kill me. Dark Regen is huge. I need to get a LOT better at it, though. I thought my Katana/Regen would have trained me, but it turns out I kinda suck at using Dark Regeneration, maybe because I've so rarely needed to use it so far. The build is close to complete, and farming +3x8 doesn't require it. I probably use it a few times per hour because it's there, I also have unused greens, oranges and purples. I suspect inspirations would be enough. I've died a couple times on a +4x8 AE farm with ambushes to push it way over the aggro cap, and then minions die first, leaving you with the aggro cap of bosses and lieutenants. Still, I blame it on lack of focus and poor Dark Regeneration timing. Kind of like what kills Regen. I shouldn't be dying. It's just that I'm not good enough and need to get better. I like that about Regen. Looks like I'll be liking that about Dark Armor at the limit.