I've never been able to justify the cost of LOTG +Rech on any toon other than a Stoner or permadom. You can easily get by with Hasten and then sticking 4 Basilisk Gazes in Petrifying Gaze and Web Cocoon that you can drop Assault and Tactics for. You can add in a Commanding Presence: Taunt/Plac Res if you need it instead of taking a power for it. The need for recharge comes in when you fight AVs and need to stack the to hit debuffs and the recharge debuffs and need web envelope to keep em in your tar patch. Otherwise, yeah, you're not going to need the recharge much since the main attack chain for a 0/8 farm recharges in time for the next spawn.
Some of those powers like Gang War doesn't need the frankenslotting, just the +Def and +Res IO from recharge intensive pets. Heck, you don't even need the recharge in it if you don't want it. Gang War is an alpha soaker and a vehicle for those 2 special IOs, nothing more. Got it right on with frankenslotting Tar Patch and Dark Servant though, those 2 are probably the only powers in a Thugs/Dark build that need it. You could then fill out some of the other powers for the full set bonuses of the IOs instead.
You went overboard with the Numina in there, not that there's anything wrong with it, I just cringe at expensive IOs being used on builds that just kick butt and forget names without any need for it 
If I pulled something like that, my melee toons would beat up my MM and steal the IO while I was logged out.
On my Thugs/Dark, I like the recharge for tar patch, howling twilight, gang war and the pet summons, but hasten with max recharge in those powers should be adequate, as the previous poster said. I like gang war and howling twilight a lot.
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HelinCarnate:OMG it is so terrible. I have the option to take 3 more powers but no additional slots. Boo F'ing hoo.
Well at L32 doing 0/8 missions are a breeze. The only problems I have really had are Rikti, god they are annoying, but when I altered my tactics from the experiences they gave me, I learned how to react better with them. So they became much easier also. I don't have all 4 of the special pet enhancements yet because they seem impossible to find besides the level 50 ones. Once I get those I can already see that it would make a big difference. I have also noticed the higher I get the less my arsonist seems to die, so that is also nice. I seriously Looove my Thugs/Dark way more than my L50 Bots/Traps and it is only going to get better at 38!
According to Mids the accuracy on my Twilight Grasp is 150ish% and it still misses quite a bit on oranges/bosses which is kind of annoying. I even have the kismet +6% accurcy. So I think I will just do the 5 doc wounds and then 1 L50 acc IO to make it higher.
"I have always been a fan of science fiction. It all started when my parents forced me to go to church when I was a child."
Here is my new build. I made quite a few changes. I also dropped fly. I have no travel power now and will use the 10k jet pack from GV. Why not? It opens up some other choices for me and instead of fly I took empty clips for my own enjoyment and put a full set of Ragnarok. I know a lot of people say taking an attack is a waste, but I took out fly so I don't think it matters much, plus it is a nice cone. I also added +12 points of KB protection since I no longer have hover and took combat jump instead for the Immo protection.
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Level 50 Magic Mastermind
Primary Power Set: Thugs
Secondary Power Set: Dark Miasma
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Presence
Power Pool: Speed
Ancillary Pool: Mu Mastery
Villain Profile:
Level 1: Call Thugs -- U'Loyal-Acc/Dmg:30(A), CmdPres-Acc/Dmg:30(11), BriL'shp-Acc/Dmg:35(17), EdctM'r-Acc/Dmg:35(19)
Level 1: Twilight Grasp -- Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx:35(A), Dct'dW-EndRdx/Rchg:35(37), Acc-I:30(37), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg:35(40), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg:35(43), Dct'dW-Heal:30(43)
Level 2: Tar Patch -- P'ngTtl-EndRdx/Rchg/Slow:35(A), P'ngTtl--Rchg%:35(3), CtlSpd-EndRdx/Rchg/Slow:30(3), ImpSwft-EndRdx/Rchg/Slow:30(5), TmpRdns-EndRdx/Rchg/Slow:35(5)
Level 4: Darkest Night -- DarkWD-ToHitDeb:35(A), DarkWD-Slow%:35(7), DarkWD-ToHitDeb/EndRdx:35(7), DarkWD-ToHitdeb/Rchg/EndRdx:35(9)
Level 6: Equip Thugs -- EndRdx-I:35(A)
Level 8: Combat Jumping -- Krma-ResKB:30(A), Ksmt-ToHit+:30(9), Zephyr-ResKB:35(11)
Level 10: Swift -- Run-I:35(A), Run-I:35(45)
Level 12: Call Enforcer -- U'Loyal-Acc/Dmg:30(A), CmdPres-Acc/Dmg:30(13), BriL'shp-Acc/Dmg:35(13), EdctM'r-Acc/Dmg:35(15), DefBuff-I:35(15)
Level 14: Provoke -- Zinger-Taunt:35(A), Zinger-Taunt/Rchg:35(17), Zinger-Acc/Rchg:35(29), Zinger-Taunt/Rchg/Rng:35(29)
Level 16: Shadow Fall -- ImpSkn-ResDam/EndRdx:30(A), ImpSkn-ResDam/Rchg:30(21), ImpSkn-EndRdx/Rchg:30(21), ImpSkn-Status:30(23), ImpSkn-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg:30(33)
Level 18: Gang War -- C'Arms-+Def(Pets):30(A), CmdPres-PetRes:30(19), ExRmnt-+Res(Pets):35(23), EdctM'r-PetDef:35(25), SvgnRt-PetResDam:35(25)
Level 20: Fearsome Stare -- Abys-Acc/Rchg:35(A), Abys-EndRdx/Fear:35(46), Abys-Acc/EndRdx:35(46), Abys-Acc/Fear/Rchg:35(50), Abys-Dam%:35(50)
Level 22: Health -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+:35(A), Mrcl-Rcvry+:35(46)
Level 24: Stamina -- P'Shift-EndMod:35(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc:35(33), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg:35(34), P'Shift-End%:35(36)
Level 26: Call Bruiser -- U'Loyal-Acc/Dmg:30(A), CmdPres-Acc/Dmg:30(27), BriL'shp-Acc/Dmg:35(27), EdctM'r-Acc/Dmg:35(31), S'bndAl-Build%:50(31)
Level 28: Howling Twilight -- RechRdx-I:35(A)
Level 30: Empty Clips -- Ragnrk-Dmg:50(A), Ragnrk-Dmg/Rchg:50(31), Ragnrk-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(33), Ragnrk-Acc/Rchg:50(34), Ragnrk-Dmg/EndRdx:50(34), Ragnrk-Knock%:50(43)
Level 32: Upgrade Equipment -- EndRdx-I:35(A)
Level 35: Petrifying Gaze -- UbrkCons-Hold:50(A), UbrkCons-Hold/Rchg:50(36), UbrkCons-Acc/Hold/Rchg:50(36), UbrkCons-Acc/Rchg:50(37), UbrkCons-EndRdx/Hold:50(42)
Level 38: Dark Servant -- SipInsght-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg:35(A), SipInsght-Acc/ToHitDeb:35(39), DarkWD-ToHitdeb/Rchg/EndRdx:35(39), Cloud-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg:30(39), DampS-ToHitDeb/Rchg/EndRdx:35(40), DampS-ToHitDeb/Rchg:35(40)
Level 41: Hasten -- RechRdx-I:35(A), RechRdx-I:35(42), RechRdx-I:35(42)
Level 44: Charged Armor -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/EndRdx:30(A), ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx:30(45), ImpArm-ResDam:35(45)
Level 47: Electrifying Fences -- GravAnch-Hold%:50(A), GravAnch-Immob:50(48), GravAnch-Acc/Immob/Rchg:50(48), GravAnch-Acc/Rchg:50(48), GravAnch-Immob/Rchg:50(50)
Level 49: Thunder Strike -- Acc-I:35(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Run-I:35(A)
Level 2: Rest -- RechRdx-I:35(A)
Level 1: Supremacy
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Set Bonus Totals:
- 2% DamageBuff(Smashing)
- 2% DamageBuff(Lethal)
- 2% DamageBuff(Fire)
- 2% DamageBuff(Cold)
- 2% DamageBuff(Energy)
- 2% DamageBuff(Negative)
- 2% DamageBuff(Toxic)
- 2% DamageBuff(Psionic)
- 10% Defense
- 2.75% Enhancement(Terrorized)
- 54% Enhancement(Accuracy)
- 56.3% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
- 4% Enhancement(Heal)
- 9% FlySpeed
- 54.2 HP (6.75%) HitPoints
- 9% JumpHeight
- 9% JumpSpeed
- Knockback (Mag -8)
- Knockup (Mag -8)
- MezResist(Confused) 7.5%
- MezResist(Held) 7.5%
- MezResist(Immobilize) 7.5%
- MezResist(Placate) 10%
- MezResist(Sleep) 12.5%
- MezResist(Stun) 7.5%
- MezResist(Taunt) 10%
- MezResist(Terrorized) 12.5%
- 19.5% (0.33 End/sec) Recovery
- 10% (0.34 HP/sec) Regeneration
- 20% Resistance(Smashing)
- 20% Resistance(Lethal)
- 28.8% Resistance(Fire)
- 28.8% Resistance(Cold)
- 20% Resistance(Energy)
- 20% Resistance(Negative)
- 25% Resistance(Toxic)
- 20% Resistance(Psionic)
- 9% RunSpeed
- 2% XPDebtProtection
Set Bonuses:
Doctored Wounds
(Twilight Grasp)
- MezResist(Terrorized) 2.2%
- 1.26% Resistance(Fire,Cold)
- 4% Enhancement(Heal)
- 5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
(Tar Patch)
- MezResist(Sleep) 2.75%
(Darkest Night)
- 12 HP (1.5%) HitPoints
- 2.5% (0.04 End/sec) Recovery
- 5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
(Combat Jumping)
- Knockback Protection (Mag -4)
(Combat Jumping)
- Knockback Protection (Mag -4)
(Provoke)
- MezResist(Terrorized) 2.75%
- 10% (0.34 HP/sec) Regeneration
- 5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
(Shadow Fall)
- MezResist(Sleep) 2.2%
- 12 HP (1.5%) HitPoints
- 2% XPDebtProtection
- 5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
- Status Resistance 7.5%
(Gang War)
- 5% Defense
(Gang War)
- MezResist(Placate,Taunt) 10%
(Gang War)
- 10% Resistance(All)
(Gang War)
- 5% Defense
(Gang War)
- 10% Resistance(All)
(Fearsome Stare)
- 2.75% Enhancement(Terrorized)
- 15.1 HP (1.88%) HitPoints
- 9% Enhancement(Accuracy)
- 6.25% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
(Stamina)
- 5% JumpSpeed, 5% JumpHeight, 5% FlySpeed, 5% RunSpeed
- 15.1 HP (1.88%) HitPoints
- 2.5% (0.04 End/sec) Recovery
(Empty Clips)
- 4% (0.07 End/sec) Recovery
- 2.52% Resistance(Fire,Cold)
- 15% Enhancement(Accuracy)
- 10% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
- 5% Resistance(Toxic)
(Petrifying Gaze)
- 4% (0.07 End/sec) Recovery
- 2.52% Resistance(Fire,Cold)
- 15% Enhancement(Accuracy)
- 10% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
(Dark Servant)
- 4% JumpSpeed, 4% JumpHeight, 4% FlySpeed, 4% RunSpeed
(Dark Servant)
- 2% DamageBuff(All)
(Charged Armor)
- 2.5% (0.04 End/sec) Recovery
(Electrifying Fences)
- 4% (0.07 End/sec) Recovery
- 2.52% Resistance(Fire,Cold)
- 15% Enhancement(Accuracy)
- 10% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
"I have always been a fan of science fiction. It all started when my parents forced me to go to church when I was a child."
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First, while I can understand liking having your own attack, its the slots more even than the power choice that is hurting you. You've got less than 6 slots in ALL of your pets, whether procs, end reduction (not a bad idea, both bruiser and enforcers can blow through end on sustained fights) or something else, you could be doing more SOMETIHNG there. |
Originally Posted by Jharber
Here is my new build. I made quite a few changes. I also dropped fly. I have no travel power now and will use the 10k jet pack from GV. Why not? It opens up some other choices for me and instead of fly I took empty clips for my own enjoyment and put a full set of Ragnarok. I know a lot of people say taking an attack is a waste, but I took out fly so I don't think it matters much, plus it is a nice cone. I also added +12 points of KB protection since I no longer have hover and took combat jump instead for the Immo protection.
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I don't really suggest provoke, either. Provoke is for tanker-minding. You'd do better with something from teleport, assault, almost anything else, considering that your build isn't within sight of the soft cap.
Fluffy needs reslotting. If you're going to go for straight ToHit you're better off picking one set (I suggest Dark Watcher) for a set bonus. I usually slot four dark watcher and either one heal and a tohit set proc, or two heal.
Personally, theres alot of stuff I'd do differently. You've got provoke with pretty much no defense, even with bodyguard anything significantly challenging would chew through you pretty quickly.
Here's my Thugs/Dark I'm building. I've got alot of the cheaper stuff assembled, the LotGs are just defense IOs, but this build gives great bonuses for fighting at 50 and is more powerful than 95% of the content under that.
Villain Plan by Mids' Villain Designer 1.601
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Level 50 Magic Mastermind
Primary Power Set: Thugs
Secondary Power Set: Dark Miasma
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Teleportation
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Mace Mastery
Villain Profile:
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Level 1: Call Thugs
(A) Blood Mandate - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance: Level 50
(3) Blood Mandate - Accuracy/Endurance: Level 50
(3) Blood Mandate - Damage/Endurance: Level 50
(5) Blood Mandate - Damage: Level 50
(5) Blood Mandate - Accuracy/Damage: Level 50
(7) Edict of the Master - Defense Bonus: Level 40
Level 1: Twilight Grasp
(A) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Endurance/Recharge: Level 50
(7) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Recharge: Level 50
(9) Doctored Wounds - Heal: Level 50
(9) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Endurance: Level 50
(11) Doctored Wounds - Endurance/Recharge: Level 50
Level 2: Tar Patch
(A) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50
(11) Endurance Reduction IO: Level 50
Level 4: Darkest Night
(A) Dark Watcher's Despair - To Hit Debuff/Recharge/Endurance: Level 50
(40) Dark Watcher's Despair - To Hit Debuff: Level 50
(46) Dark Watcher's Despair - To Hit Debuff/Endurance: Level 50
(46) Dark Watcher's Despair - Recharge/Endurance: Level 50
Level 6: Equip Thugs
(A) Endurance Reduction IO: Level 50
Level 8: Combat Jumping
(A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed: Level 50
(25) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range: Level 50
(25) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range/Endurance: Level 50
(50) Blessing of the Zephyr - Knockback Reduction (4 points): Level 50
Level 10: Hurdle
(A) Jumping IO: Level 50
Level 12: Call Enforcer
(A) Blood Mandate - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance: Level 50
(13) Sovereign Right - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance: Level 50
(13) Achilles' Heel - Chance for Res Debuff: Level 20
(15) Blood Mandate - Damage: Level 50
(15) Defense Buff IO: Level 50
(17) Defense Buff IO: Level 50
Level 14: Super Jump
(A) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range: Level 50
(23) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range/Endurance: Level 50
(36) Blessing of the Zephyr - Knockback Reduction (4 points): Level 50
Level 16: Shadow Fall
(A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed: Level 50
(17) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Endurance: Level 40
(34) Reactive Armor - Endurance: Level 40
(37) Reactive Armor - Resistance: Level 40
(37) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Endurance/Recharge: Level 40
(40) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%: Level 30
Level 18: Health
(A) Regenerative Tissue - +Regeneration: Level 30
(19) Numina's Convalescence - +Regeneration/+Recovery: Level 50
(19) Miracle - +Recovery: Level 40
Level 20: Stamina
(A) Performance Shifter - EndMod: Level 50
(21) Endurance Modification IO: Level 50
(21) Performance Shifter - Chance for +End: Level 50
Level 22: Fearsome Stare
(A) Dark Watcher's Despair - To Hit Debuff: Level 50
(23) Dark Watcher's Despair - To Hit Debuff/Recharge: Level 50
(36) Dark Watcher's Despair - To Hit Debuff/Recharge/Endurance: Level 50
(37) Dark Watcher's Despair - Recharge/Endurance: Level 50
Level 24: Howling Twilight
(A) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50
(34) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50
(34) Endurance Reduction IO: Level 50
Level 26: Call Bruiser
(A) Blood Mandate - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance: Level 50
(27) Sovereign Right - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance: Level 50
(27) Blood Mandate - Accuracy/Damage: Level 50
(29) Blood Mandate - Damage: Level 50
(29) Soulbound Allegiance - Chance for Build Up: Level 50
(31) Sovereign Right - Resistance Bonus: Level 50
Level 28: Recall Friend
(A) Range IO: Level 50
Level 30: Gang War
(A) Call to Arms - Defense Bonus Aura for Pets: Level 30
(31) Expedient Reinforcement - Resist Bonus Aura for Pets: Level 50
(31) Expedient Reinforcement - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge: Level 50
(33) Expedient Reinforcement - Endurance/Damage/Recharge: Level 50
(33) Expedient Reinforcement - Accuracy/Recharge: Level 50
(33) Expedient Reinforcement - Accuracy/Damage: Level 50
Level 32: Upgrade Equipment
(A) Endurance Reduction IO: Level 50
Level 35: Petrifying Gaze
(A) Unbreakable Constraint - Chance for Smashing Damage: Level 50
(36) Unbreakable Constraint - Accuracy/Hold/Recharge: Level 50
(48) Unbreakable Constraint - Hold/Recharge: Level 50
(50) Unbreakable Constraint - Endurance/Hold: Level 50
(50) Unbreakable Constraint - Accuracy/Recharge: Level 50
Level 38: Dark Servant
(A) Cloud Senses - ToHit Debuff/Endurance/Recharge: Level 30
(39) Cloud Senses - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge: Level 30
(39) Cloud Senses - Accuracy/Recharge: Level 30
(39) Cloud Senses - ToHit Debuff: Level 30
(40) Healing IO: Level 50
(43) Healing IO: Level 50
Level 41: Scorpion Shield
(A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed: Level 50
(42) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance/Recharge: Level 50
(42) Red Fortune - Defense: Level 50
(42) Red Fortune - Endurance: Level 50
(43) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance: Level 50
(43) Red Fortune - Endurance/Recharge: Level 50
Level 44: Web Envelope
(A) Enfeebled Operation - Accuracy/Recharge: Level 50
(45) Enfeebled Operation - Endurance/Immobilize: Level 50
(45) Enfeebled Operation - Accuracy/Endurance: Level 50
(45) Enfeebled Operation - Accuracy/Immobilize: Level 50
(46) Enfeebled Operation - Immobilize/Range: Level 50
(48) Enfeebled Operation - Accuracy/Immobilize/Recharge: Level 50
Level 47: Maneuvers
(A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed: Level 50
(48) Endurance Reduction IO: Level 50
Level 49: Tactics
(A) Endurance Reduction IO: Level 50
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Level 1: Brawl
(A) Accuracy IO: Level 50
Level 1: Sprint
(A) Run Speed IO: Level 50
Level 2: Rest
(A) Healing IO: Level 50
Level 1: Supremacy
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Set Bonus Totals:
5% DamageBuff(Smashing)
5% DamageBuff(Lethal)
5% DamageBuff(Fire)
5% DamageBuff(Cold)
5% DamageBuff(Energy)
5% DamageBuff(Negative)
5% DamageBuff(Toxic)
5% DamageBuff(Psionic)
10% Defense
8.31% Defense(Smashing)
8.31% Defense(Lethal)
11.8% Defense(Fire)
11.8% Defense(Cold)
7.38% Defense(Energy)
7.38% Defense(Negative)
3% Defense(Psionic)
8% Defense(Melee)
9.88% Defense(Ranged)
14.9% Defense(AoE)
2.25% Max End
15% Enhancement(Accuracy)
3% Enhancement(Immobilize)
4% Enhancement(Heal)
76.3% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
5% FlySpeed
24.1 HP (3%) HitPoints
5% JumpHeight
5% JumpSpeed
Knockback (Mag -8)
Knockup (Mag -8)
MezResist(Confused) 5%
MezResist(Held) 5%
MezResist(Immobilize) 8.3%
MezResist(Sleep) 7.75%
MezResist(Stun) 6.65%
MezResist(Terrorized) 7.2%
13.5% (0.23 End/sec) Recovery
10% (0.34 HP/sec) Regeneration
20% Resistance(Smashing)
20% Resistance(Lethal)
25% Resistance(Fire)
25% Resistance(Cold)
20% Resistance(Energy)
21.9% Resistance(Negative)
20% Resistance(Toxic)
20% Resistance(Psionic)
5% RunSpeed
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new build on the bottom with many responses that help me realize there is not much need for LotG global recharge.
"I have always been a fan of science fiction. It all started when my parents forced me to go to church when I was a child."