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Both. I wouldn't dream of making a DM/Regen build without both. They just do so much for it. What's making you have to choose between the two?
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Originally Posted by Vitality
Hasten
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I agree, if any build wants all 3 it's DM/Regen. It's also the only scrapper build I've ever played where I just HAD to have Tough.
Follow up question...
If you add in Weave your basically trying to up your defense...
How much defense warrants enough to add Weave?
Example: I add Weave but it only ups my total defense to 15%...is Weave worth it then?
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I wouldn't bother aiming for any amount of defense unless you're going to end up with at least 20%. 15% is borderline, but less than that won't contribute often enough to significantly increase your survivability because, as Arcanaville showed us, low levels of defense don't do much to increase short term survivability (and */regen is all about short term survivability).
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Originally Posted by Vitality
Follow up question...
If you add in Weave your basically trying to up your defense... How much defense warrants enough to add Weave? Example: I add Weave but it only ups my total defense to 15%...is Weave worth it then? |
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Doesn't this calculation change slightly if you factor in the -tohit you're inflicting with DM attacks?
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Originally Posted by Umbral
I wouldn't bother aiming for any amount of defense unless you're going to end up with at least 20%.
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If you HAD to go one way or the other which would it be...Hasten or Tough & Weave?
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Yeah, but I tend to ignore the -tohit from DM simply because it's not particularly reliable or huge in effective magnitude. Purple patch and rank modifiers all impinge greatly upon its effectiveness against a single target. Against an level 50 AV, the ~25% -tohit that is generated by the MG>Smite>Siphon>Smite string is the equivalent of only 3.75% +def. It's decent, but it's not going to be a major game breaker. Against smaller targets, they're generally dead before you can stack up the full string, and against multiple targets, you're only debuffing a single target out of the lot of them thanks to DM's ST focus.
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Originally Posted by Eiko-chan
Doesn't this calculation change slightly if you factor in the -tohit you're inflicting with DM attacks?
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I would look for another path that would allow me to take both of them.
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Originally Posted by Vitality
If you HAD to go one way or the other which would it be...Hasten or Tough & Weave?
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Haha...you SoB (no disrespect to your mother)
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Originally Posted by Umbral
I would look for another path that would allow me to take both of them.
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You're asking me to choose between getting to use my all important clickies more often (and be able to use the Mg>Smite>Siphon>Smite attack string) and the ability to have to use those clickies less. I'd rather have both of those, especially since it's not hard, in the least, to have access to both. What build are you attempting to put together that you can't afford both?
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Originally Posted by Vitality
Haha...you SoB
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Fine I'll give in...it's a concept build with the Concealment Power Pool.|
Originally Posted by Umbral
You're asking me to choose between getting to use my all important clickies more often (and be able to use the Mg>Smite>Siphon>Smite attack string) and the ability to have to use those clickies less. I'd rather have both of those, especially since it's not hard, in the least, to have access to both. What build are you attempting to put together that you can't afford both?
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It's that pool that takes away the ability to have both.
Like I said it's a concept build...so try not to be too harsh haha.
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Get rid of Fitness. QR and DC should be more than enough to last you until you get PP.|
Originally Posted by Vitality
Fine I'll give in...it's a concept build with the Concealment Power Pool.
It's that pool that takes away the ability to have both. Like I said it's a concept build...so try not to be too harsh haha. |
Leaping/Flight, Speed, Fighting, Concealment. Problem solved.
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Could also just use Speed as your travel power, if you can handle that.
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Originally Posted by Umbral
Get rid of Fitness. QR and DC should be more than enough to last you until you get PP.
Leaping/Flight, Speed, Fighting, Concealment. Problem solved. |
Yes: Speed, Fighting, Concealment and Fitness
Use raptorpack for vertical movement.
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The tangential benefits of CJ/Hover are generally too big for me to get rid of the pool. Leaping or Flight means you'll get an LotG slot, ~3% +def(all) that's pretty much free, and 2 BotZ sets. The only time I'd take Fitness over Leaping/Flight is if it's an SO build that doesn't have access to all of the endurance assistance that IOs offer and all of the big advantages of CJ aren't really present.
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Originally Posted by Xandez
Yes: Speed, Fighting, Concealment and Fitness
Use raptorpack for vertical movement. |
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Im a big fan of leaping myself actually (for the reasons you stated), so generally i try to get that fitted in if possible (hmm.. dont remember when i dont have that fitted in... heh). And like you said earlier, dropping fitness with /regen is not that bad if you get eg. PP for recovery later (or by other means, or if you manage with a _lower_ recov).
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Originally Posted by Umbral
The tangential benefits of CJ/Hover are generally too big for me to get rid of the pool. Leaping or Flight means you'll get an LotG slot, ~3% +def(all) that's pretty much free, and 2 BotZ sets. The only time I'd take Fitness over Leaping/Flight is if it's an SO build that doesn't have access to all of the endurance assistance that IOs offer and all of the big advantages of CJ aren't really present.
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I did this once on my DM/Regen (changed the build over 10 times). Just use the stealth IO + SS and drop the concealment pool. That way you can take speed, leaping, fighting, and fitness and have the same amount of stealth. That was one my toughest builds. I think ill rerun that one next time I respec. If you are taking the pool for phase shift, grab one of the several temp power renditions floating around.
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Hasten
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