So like whats with the leader/team order change?
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Posted on: 2009-10-08 08:01 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
It's due to SSK'ing (Super-Side Kicking), The top person is whoever the team is SSK'd too. Probably not going to change.
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MutantX is correct that this is an effect of the new SSK system. You may not have noticed it but if you switch between different character misions you will also change level frequently as every time a mission is selected the group is side kicked/exemplared to match the mission holder and when no mission is selected they match the group leader. Probably the best way to deal with it these days is to stick with one character picking the missions and give them the star - that will cut down on frequently order changes in the group AND on frequent level changes as the group leader/mission holder will always be the same.
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I sure as hell hope it does. It looks sloppy to anyone familiar with the old system. (It's incredibly obvious they just shoehorned in the team leader as the "mentor" to everyone using the old SK mechanisms - reinforced by the way it gives badge credit.) It's also needlessly cluttered, reordering the team and indenting seven of the members while conveying no more information than the old star system. Lastly, it messes with people who like to order their buffs with team slot binds. (More picky people than me by far, but I've certainly played with them.)
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Originally Posted by MutantX_7
It's due to SSK'ing (Super-Side Kicking), The top person is whoever the team is SSK'd too. Probably not going to change.
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If you don't like the reordering, the only way to avoid it is to have the leader do his missions and his missions only.
As was said before in this thread, when you pick a different players mission, that player's name goes to the top for the mission, but then reverts to the team leader afterwords.
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I'd like to see the devs totally re-design the Team Window.|
Originally Posted by UberGuy
I sure as hell hope it does. It looks sloppy to anyone familiar with the old system.
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I'd like to:
- change the order of my teammates in my display
- change the size of teammates in my display individually
- remove teammates from the display as I see fit (mostly just to remove myself)
- break apart the individuals and move them around as I see fit, so the Team Window would really be a bunch of smaller windows that can be joined together (and would default to joined together).
- have more control over buff icons; specifically, I'd like to be able to monitor only effects I produce and/or have my effects display larger; it would be nice if each buff could have an optional timer that is counting down
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But you're not necessarily SKed to the team leader. You get SKed to the person who owns the mission you're on. You're only SKed to the team leader if you're doing the leader's missions, you're on a TF (the game treats the leader as the mission owner), or you're not on any mission at all.
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Originally Posted by UberGuy
they just shoehorned in the team leader as the "mentor" to everyone... conveying no more information than the old star system.
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I think you know what I meant. It's a shoehorn of the new mechanism into the old display mechanic no matter what. If your usual interaction with the system is in a Task or Strike Force, its the team leader who always gets the outdent at the top of the list.|
Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper
But you're not necessarily SKed to the team leader. You get SKed to the person who owns the mission you're on. You're only SKed to the team leader if you're doing the leader's missions, you're on a TF (the game treats the leader as the mission owner), or you're not on any mission at all.
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We don't need the team window to tell us what's going on with the SSK system, and the way its doing it both detracts from the utility of the team window and confounds long-standing methods of using it, based on whose missions the team is running.
The team order in the list should either be fixed as it was pre-I16 barring individual SKs, or much more configurable, as suggested by StratoNexus. Pointlessly indenting all people who aren't the current mission holder, and reordering the team each time a new person's mission is selected is confusing and uninformative.
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I'm not nearly as passionate about his topic as the OP... but I do agree I would prefer to have the team order stay the same and just put a little icon by the mission owner.
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Originally Posted by UberGuy
I think you know what I meant. It's a shoehorn of the new mechanism into the old display mechanic no matter what. If your usual interaction with the system is in a Task or Strike Force, its the team leader who always gets the outdent at the top of the list.
We don't need the team window to tell us what's going on with the SSK system, and the way its doing it both detracts from the utility of the team window and confounds long-standing methods of using it, based on whose missions the team is running. The team order in the list should either be fixed as it was pre-I16 barring individual SKs, or much more configurable, as suggested by StratoNexus. Pointlessly indenting all people who aren't the current mission holder, and reordering the team each time a new person's mission is selected is confusing and uninformative. |
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Originally Posted by StratoNexus
I'd like to see the devs totally re-design the Team Window.
I'd like to:
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Oh.. and while we're at it... put the 'real' level of each player in the display next to the AT icon.
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When I'm in a group and the leader selects a mish (say a radio one) if it's from one of the group members the order of the team changes (the person who actually got the mish becomes team member one).
Was this on purpose? is this going to change? it's really annonying when I am used to hitting whatever key for member two or three to heal and now it's someone else.