An answer in search of a question - Investigate Nemesis Base Mission - The Horror of War arc
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Aggelakis,
Posted on: 2009-10-06 15:03 in Player Questions
Um, wasn't there a waypoint for the safe that leads you right to the cave door? I think there's a map waypoint too, if you have "special" turned on. If there's no waypoint, you should /bug it.
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I wish. Specials was on (am actually still in the mish as I write this.) No waypoint 
Originally there was an indicator to the door, but the last time I did it (pre-Issue 16) there was no waypoint showing up, even with "Special" on the map enabled. Of course, since I knew where to go I didn't try to troubleshoot. I'll keep an eye out next time and see if it occurs again.
I don't suppose there are clues listed that you can highlight, like with safeguard/mayhem side missions.
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I don't suppose there are clues listed that you can highlight, like with safeguard/mayhem side missions. |
The "clues" were actually misleading.
1st: "You destroy the imposter automaton, and gather its remains as proof of Captain Sherman's words." This combined with the mission detail: "There may be more than one way to find the information you're looking for, so keep your eyes open. All you will need is one solid piece of proof or evidence, but get more if you can find it." indicated maybe the 1st Automation was it. Of course 1 solid piece of evidence wasn't enough even though the clue actaully says you have "proof". So I wasted time trying to kill all, listen for glowies throughout the map, etc.
2nd clue: "Alarms sound. Maybe interrupting the troop review wasn't such a good idea" - Which I thought might have been nothing but made me wonder if attacking the nem groups on the base would make the mish fail or change something. This was part of why I cycled the mission. The second time I carefully avoided the troops at the base. Nope, didn't matter, just another misleading clue, lol.
I'm frankly astonished that there's no helpful hint note present in this arc's writeup in the wiki entry here. It might be nice if an editor added a little something in the way of help, because this IS a nasty hard mission in that regard.
For the most part, I really like using the wiki for mission and TF arcs for that very reason (the common presence of helpful hints).
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Ooh, I /bugged it too.
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Originally Posted by Eric Nelson
I'm frankly astonished that there's no helpful hint note present in this arc's writeup in the wiki entry here. It might be nice if an editor added a little something in the way of help, because this IS a nasty hard mission in that regard.
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I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.
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True enough, but I know a number of editors (looks at Agge) frequent this forum and thought that might be a more expedient route.|
Originally Posted by Aggelakis
You can edit the page to make a note. It's a wiki. Everyone is an author.
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Also, my astonishment was that nobody had bothered adding that datum, user OR editor.
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Not a bad idea, and I'll do it if ppl agree it should be done, but I'd be hesitant to put what some people might regard as a spoiler in an otherwise mostly informational wiki.
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Originally Posted by Aggelakis
You can edit the page to make a note. It's a wiki. Everyone is an author.
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Could be that nobody thought it was necessary since the mission used to make it quite obvious where you needed to go.|
Originally Posted by Eric Nelson
True enough, but I know a number of editors (looks at Agge) frequent this forum and thought that might be a more expedient route.
Also, my astonishment was that nobody had bothered adding that datum, user OR editor. |
Although now that I think of it I don't recall if there was a waypoint on the map after all, since the waypoint was inside the cave minimap. There was a door indicator though, I'm sure of that.
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It's not a spoiler at all -- it's a helpful tip for people who try to complete that mission, many of whom run into the same issue.|
Originally Posted by Geoff_NA
Not a bad idea, and I'll do it if ppl agree it should be done, but I'd be hesitant to put what some people might regard as a spoiler in an otherwise mostly informational wiki.
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There are many precedents for giving 'tips' in mission listings in the wiki -- I love the ones that will tip you that a mission is a 'defeat all' even though the details in-game may not be clear about that fact.
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OK, wiki edit is done. Take a look
Its my first wiki edit ever, so LMK what you think. I may go back and edit.
I would pretty much agree its not a spoiler, but some would disagree.
Nice job, Geoff! I think you phrased it very well (and linked to the "coordinates" article for bonus points)! 
It's not expandable on my display, though, it just shows as a "NOTE" entry within the text of the mission rundown (but I don't think you should change anything about it at all).
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I edited it because he used the NPC Text template (only NPC Text uses the NPC Text template), and the wiki doesn't hide spoilers unless they're serious plot points.
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Originally Posted by Dispari
I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.
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That waypoint to the door isn't very consistent. It may disappear under some circumstances.
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Originally Posted by Eva Destruction
Um, wasn't there a waypoint for the safe that leads you right to the cave door? I think there's a map waypoint too, if you have "special" turned on. If there's no waypoint, you should /bug it.
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Originally Posted by Aggelakis
I edited it because he used the NPC Text template (only NPC Text uses the NPC Text template), and the wiki doesn't hide spoilers unless they're serious plot points.
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Ahh life's little mysteries...
I suddenly coundn't find my edit. I saw Agge's response here and a note for me from Agge, but my edit seemed to have just dissapeared with no sign of what Agge did either. It turns out there's 2 dark watcher pages.
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Dark Watcher - which I edited and says "redirected from The Dark Watcher" in little type underneath, and
The Dark Watcher, which is the entry that comes up first in many google searches and doesn't seem to redirect you to the other page.
Anyway, I'm fine with you moving it to the main page. You obviously have a better feel for what should and shouldn't be on these pages than I do.
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Wikia's version is ridiculously out of date and the playground of spammers. It isn't the home of Paragon Wiki, which exists at http://www.paragonwiki.com and also at http://wiki.cohtitan.com (same website, two URLs).
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Originally Posted by Dispari
I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.
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Curse those sneaky spammers! Curse them!!!
I just completed this 3rd mission in the Horror of War arc. Its been a great arc until this mission. I just couldn't find this safe and 2nd automation it listed. So here's what you need to know...
(SPOILER COMING)
Its behind the base area, about as far directly opposite from the entrance as you can go (on the main floating island area.) Exact /loc coordinates at the bottom of the post.
Care to feel my pain? Read below. Otherwise enjoy the info.
I thought the mish was bugged so I cycled it. Nope, couldn't find the 2nd automation. Tried every door on the base twice (which is the logical place and where it should have been), searched all over this huge zone, nothing. In frustration I searched the guides and on Google. Finally found some links from google, they led to the forums but gave... "invalid thread ID" or "Page Not Found." Finally, getting desperate I went through all of Google's "More like these" and in one snippit of text that Google includes to give you some feel for the page I saw something about a cave door. So I finally found the thing after a 2nd laborious search. Can you make the door make noise like a glowey at least? Put 2 guards out front that say "I hate guarding this cave!"? Maybe at least some "intel" that its not at the base but in a cave near it in the mission text? Something! Instead the mission text says you only need 1 solid piece of evidence, which of course made me wonder if the Manticore Automation was enough, so I spent more time clearing the level.
Gah, what a waste of 2+ hours!
/end Rant
In trying to keep a positive side to this: I ran this at +8/0/N/N so had tons of lieuts to kill. At one point I had at least 7 vengances up against me. Its my PvP brute, so already have build up, Kismet Proc, and Tactics to counter heavy Def. With a couple insps, I just kept dropping lieuts until the Vengances cycled down as fast as they started up.
Exact coordinates: -3908.8 1326.5 833.5