Additional Power Pools (Shields)
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Black_Marrow,
Posted on: 2009-09-27 18:44 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
No. This will only happen when I can have the following as a power pool.
Unstoppable (6)
Knockout Blow (6)
Rage (14)
Foot Stomp (20)
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Originally Posted by BackAlleyBrawler
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Part of the problem is that shields are incompatible with several powersets for multiple reasons. For example, they cannot be used with two-handed/dual weapons due to how attachment points on the character models work. i'm not sure which would be more fun: locking out a character's primary/secondary when they use a shield, or locking out the shield set.
Personally i would be greatly amused by the former. 
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If you take a look at other Power Pools, you will find that they are not composed entirely of powers that are unique to a single powerset. I hope something like this never happens (much as I hope that we never get a "Pistols Power Pool" as some have suggested).
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Originally Posted by Blue Hue
So I've been thinking that it would be awesome to have a Shields power pool. We already have fighting for if your character needs a little melee boost and medicine for the healing boost but not a pure defensive set. I'll be honest the real reason why I would is for aesthetics. There are so many cool looking elemental shields. Wouldn't it be nice to have an electric shield to match your electric armor or a dark shield too match your dark armor? I think it would be a very popular set for these reasons and could help balance out certain sets. It could look something like this:
Shield Deflection (6) Toggle: Self +DEF(Melee), +Res(Lethal, Smashing) Shield Agility (6) Toggle: Self +DEF(Ranged), +Res(Defense Debuff) Shield Cover (14) Toggle: Self +Def(AoE), +Res(Fire, Cold, Energy) Shield Team (20) Toggle: PBAoE, Team (but not self) +DEF(All) Anyway. Lots of people probably want a cool shield but not an entire power set, we're not all Captain American  Sincerely yours, Blue Hue --- P.S. I'm sorry if this is in the wrong spot. I'm a new player and first time poster to the forums. |
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First off, Suggestions and Ideas would be a better place for this. |
Originally Posted by Blue Hue
So I've been thinking that it would be awesome to have a Shields power pool. We already have fighting for if your character needs a little melee boost and medicine for the healing boost but not a pure defensive set. I'll be honest the real reason why I would is for aesthetics. There are so many cool looking elemental shields. Wouldn't it be nice to have an electric shield to match your electric armor or a dark shield too match your dark armor? I think it would be a very popular set for these reasons and could help balance out certain sets. It could look something like this:
Shield Deflection (6) Toggle: Self +DEF(Melee), +Res(Lethal, Smashing) Shield Agility (6) Toggle: Self +DEF(Ranged), +Res(Defense Debuff) Shield Cover (14) Toggle: Self +Def(AoE), +Res(Fire, Cold, Energy) Shield Team (20) Toggle: PBAoE, Team (but not self) +DEF(All) Anyway. Lots of people probably want a cool shield but not an entire power set, we're not all Captain American Sincerely yours, Blue Hue --- P.S. I'm sorry if this is in the wrong spot. I'm a new player and first time poster to the forums. |
Second, um, gonna have to say no on this one.
Electric Armor already has higher resistances than the other armors. That's because it gets no defense to go along with it. The other resistance sets generally have some defense. Willpower has typed defense, Invuln has Invincibility, Dark Armor has Cloak of Darkness (same numbers as Weave). Only Electric Armor has no defense in the set itself, so it gets higher resistances to make up for it.
If Shields was available as a power pool, an Electric tank would be able to have capped or near capped resistance (definitely capped to Energy) and softcappable defense. That would be insanely overpowered (think Granite with no movement or recharge penalties overpowered)
Also, instead of making new animations for just the melee sets to accomodate a shield, they would have to make new animations for EVERYTHING.
I also think it unlikely that they are going to give something like this to blasters. They are powerful enough without softcapped defense (I have seen a few builds get in the 30-35% range already), if they had that potential, they would get stupid overpowered pretty quickly.
Interesting idea, but the amount of work and the balance issues would be huge on it.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
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Fiery Aura?
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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
The other resistance sets generally have some defense. Willpower has typed defense, Invuln has Invincibility, Dark Armor has Cloak of Darkness (same numbers as Weave). Only Electric Armor has no defense in the set itself, so it gets higher resistances to make up for it.
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It looks like a nightmare waiting to happen.
1: Balancing issues. Characters already close to the resistance or defense caps could go over it with this set. VERY unlikely to be given to blasters, but also for brutes, whose mitigation is aready close to tanker levels with higher offense.
2: Animation issues: as said, some powersets just don't mix with shields, especially 2-handed weapons, but AR, archery, trick arrow, and traps that I can think of would have probems with it.
3: Uniqueness. If you want shields, roll a shield character. It's what they DO, and a defining characteristic of the set. We don't have power pools that give people swords or bows (ignoring that ugly tricorder for medicine) and although shields have some very cool looks, it woudn't be the same if everyone coud run around with one, regardless of powerset.
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Originally Posted by Blue Hue
Shield Deflection (6) Toggle: Self +DEF(Melee), +Res(Lethal, Smashing)
Shield Agility (6) Toggle: Self +DEF(Ranged), +Res(Defense Debuff) Shield Cover (14) Toggle: Self +Def(AoE), +Res(Fire, Cold, Energy) Shield Team (20) Toggle: PBAoE, Team (but not self) +DEF(All) |
Rewrite All Existing Animations to be Compatible With Costume Pets Like Shields (>9000): BAB +Insanity (PBAoE), +BAB Cry Uncontrollably (self)
Throw Game Balance Into Toilet (/0): +Game Shut Down Permanently (targeted AoE (with no target cap or range limitation))
Now it's ready.
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Has more inherent damage than other armor sets. As well as a second Build Up power in Fiery Embrace. |
Originally Posted by Sailboat
Fiery Aura?
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It has decent resistances and gives the tools to make things dead before you are. Also has a damn good heal in it.
Electric has....Lightning Field and Power Sink.
With Fiery Aura you'd have: Good resistances (not as good as Electric, but still pretty good), a very nice heal, possibility of double build up, and a good damage power if you have a primary (or secondary) that can leverage it.
The defense from Shields as a power pool would probably take Fiery Aura from slightly underpowered to very overpowered. Because you would get all the things mentioned above plus the ability to softcap, which I have not managed to do in a Mid's build yet.
Also, how do you deal with a power pool....that is accessible to people already playing Shield Defense?
2 copies of all positional defenses by level 14? With tanker numbers that is 30% defense to everything, unslotted, at level 14. Above softcap with just normal slotting, not even taking IOs into account.
By the nature of power pools, they are available to everyone which is why their effects are generally pretty mediocre.
A set of powers specifically focused on positional defense that is available to everyone would make already powerful builds just insanely broken.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
So I've been thinking that it would be awesome to have a Shields power pool. We already have fighting for if your character needs a little melee boost and medicine for the healing boost but not a pure defensive set. I'll be honest the real reason why I would is for aesthetics. There are so many cool looking elemental shields. Wouldn't it be nice to have an electric shield to match your electric armor or a dark shield too match your dark armor? I think it would be a very popular set for these reasons and could help balance out certain sets. It could look something like this:
Shield Deflection (6) Toggle: Self +DEF(Melee), +Res(Lethal, Smashing)
Shield Agility (6) Toggle: Self +DEF(Ranged), +Res(Defense Debuff)
Shield Cover (14) Toggle: Self +Def(AoE), +Res(Fire, Cold, Energy)
Shield Team (20) Toggle: PBAoE, Team (but not self) +DEF(All)
Anyway. Lots of people probably want a cool shield but not an entire power set, we're not all Captain American
Sincerely yours,
Blue Hue
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P.S. I'm sorry if this is in the wrong spot. I'm a new player and first time poster to the forums.