Not a nerf. The first two attacks in Dark Melee have never debuffed accuracy, only ToHit--by about 5 percent.
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Maybe you're thinking of Defender Dark Blast. Most of the set (including the first two powers) does "ToHit -9.375%" for varying durations, according to City of Data.
Dark Melee does "ToHit -5.625%" with most of its attacks.
City of Data hasn't been updated in a while, I think, but that makes it more likely that these are not newly changed values, if you think about it.
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Thanks for the replys. I must have totally misread it or something then. I would have bet a paycheck that it specifically said -10% acc as the secondary affect of the first two attacks. And I have not even looked at any ranged dark attacks. Not sure why/how I had myself convinced of this.
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Originally Posted by Sailboat
Maybe you're thinking of Defender Dark Blast. Most of the set (including the first two powers) does "ToHit -9.375%" for varying durations, according to City of Data.
Dark Melee does "ToHit -5.625%" with most of its attacks. City of Data hasn't been updated in a while, I think, but that makes it more likely that these are not newly changed values, if you think about it. |
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Well, if you ADD the -5.625% -To Hit of the first two attacks together, you get 11% or so. |
Originally Posted by JohnX
I would have bet a paycheck that it specifically said -10% acc as the secondary affect of the first two attacks.
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It could be -10% ToHit without AT modifiers. Tankers have IIRC the lowest -ToHit modifier which is why RttC (and any other -ToHit power) has higher -ToHit on scrappers than tankers.
Also, offhand I'd be ready to say that Accuracy debuffs don't exist, but don't quote me on this!
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What is it? If you were looking at a build planner (hero builder, mid's, whatever), that information was never worth real money, and if not filled with in-game information or values from City of Data, then it was a guess at best.|
Originally Posted by JohnX
I would have bet a paycheck that it specifically said -10% acc
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Planners used to say aim provided 100% acc. Heh.
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And if i recall correctly: -tohit >-to acc. I don't recall the formula off hand, but the -5.25 To-hit might just equate to around -10% acc. if not more. I'm sure someone who's played with the formulas before would have a much more accurate number then I.|
Originally Posted by JohnX
I made a Inv/DMtanker recently, I think he isabout level 6 or 7.
I swear that the two inital attacks in DM said that the secondary affect was a -10% acc. Now, it reads as (something like) -5.25 To-hit. Can someone else confirm that I'm not dreaming here? I need to know if I should start whining. |
Actually, go to this link: http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Attack...cy_for_Players gives a very good description of the attack mechanics.
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Originally Posted by PapaSlade
Rangle's right....this is fun.
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Ok. No Guarantee I've got this correct but based on nothing other then a PvE enemy having a base 50% to hit you with no other modifications added in to muddy things:
-5.25% to hit debuff would result in them having a 44.75% chance to hit you.
-10% to acc. debuff would result in them having a 45% chance to hit you.
so the -5.25% to hit debuff is nearly identical to the -10% acc you were thinking you weren't getting, and actually a tad bit better.
If my math is incorrect, plz let me know.
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Originally Posted by PapaSlade
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Your maths looks good to me.
Against an even level target: Hit_Chance = (ToHit_Base + ToHit_Buff_Self - ToHit_DeBuff_Self + Def_DeBuff_Target - Def_Buff_Target) * (Accuracy_Base + Accuracy_Enhancement)
Now, if we just skip the Defense part of the equation and assume the enemy has basic accuracy modifier and no ToHit buffs available we get this:
NPC Hit_Chance = (0.5 + 0 - 0.0525) * (1 + 0) = 0.4475 = 44.75%
Compare this to the formula with no ToHit debuff, but with the Acc debuff (which I don't think actually exist):
NPC Hit_Chance = (0.5 + 0 - 0) * (1 - 0.1) = 0.45 = 45%
It looks like -5.25% ToHit is very similar to 10% ToHit, but that's only the case where neither of the two attributes are buffed beyond base. Also NPC ToHit debuffs will work differently against players who have 75% base ToHit.
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I was refrencing the in game dropdown thingy that has the numbers for the powers. Again, in my little brain, I swear it had said -10% acc before i16. The toon is only like level 6 or something so I didn't have much time in the toon...I guess my memory is flawed if no one else can confirm it.|
Originally Posted by Dersk
What is it? If you were looking at a build planner (hero builder, mid's, whatever), that information was never worth real money, and if not filled with in-game information or values from City of Data, then it was a guess at best.
Planners used to say aim provided 100% acc. Heh. |
Nonetheless, it seems to not be making much difference anyway. This Inv/dark is slowly becoming a main. Looking forward to changing his colors if I can get a chance to log in this week.
I made a Inv/DMtanker recently, I think he isabout level 6 or 7.
I swear that the two inital attacks in DM said that the secondary affect was a -10% acc. Now, it reads as (something like) -5.25 To-hit.
Can someone else confirm that I'm not dreaming here? I need to know if I should start whining.