Not sure if its 100% current, but my build is posted at the end of my Grav/Kin guide
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=119946
ok, how about this one?
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I pretty much played this all the way through and had many compliments. Very fun to play.
You skipped Wormhole (and Lift and Propel)? Why roll Gravity?
Wormhole and Propel stink, thats why I skipped them. Propel is simply a very bad sniper attack. Hey! you did not mention Dimension Shift??? 
Crush, Crushing Field, Gravity Distorition, Gravity Distortion Field, and Singularity are all solid Gravity powers. All fit the 'Gravity Concept' IMO.
Propel is easily skippable, the activation time is unacceptable, I can fire off a Crush and GD in the same time Propel fires, I will do more damage and I will immob/hold enemy.
Wormhole is kind of silly. Far too much clicking for not a heck of alot.
Lift - Yes this is a good power, and too bad I could not fit it in. Crush is available all the time anyway.
/Kin, to me is about doing damage, and quickly. Thus; no Dimension Shift (no damage), no Wormhole (no damage), and no Propel (not quick).
I tried wormhole, and when I was out with another Grav controller who actually used it, I realized that was not a power for me (or anyone else). It is *very* annoying.
I always get a kick out of people using Propel, makes me laugh when I see those pieces of garabge hitting an enemy which is long gone, and if you use gravity you know that 1/2 the time you are teamed that propel garbage hits already 'arrested' enemies. Why stand around for 3.5 seconds when you could use that time to apply a control power? I am a controller, I use control powers. Damage? I'll leave that for the SB'd blaster.
Why roll Gravity? Gravity/Potential(/Kinetic) energy are closely related thus my concept.
If all you're taking are the two immobilizes and the two holds, you might as well roll another primary unless you're really sold on Singularity. Wormhole does not "stink", nor is it "annoying" or "silly". It is the signature power of the set and it requires strategy and skill to use it effectively. It is also the longest duration AoE stun in the game, not to mention a mag 4+ teleport. It is certainly a better choice than Maneuvers, Tough or Weave. If it was annoying or ineffective, the problem is the user, not the power.
On the one hand you talk about wanting to do damage quickly, on the other you talk about using control powers and leaving damage for the blaster. While any /Kinetics controller will buff damage, nobody seriously considers a pairing with Gravity as a damage dealer. How can you control stuff if you're skipping the control powers?
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Originally Posted by _Uun_
If all you're taking are the two immobilizes and the two holds, ... unless you're really sold on Singularity.
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It [Wormhole] is the signature power of the set
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... [Wormhole] certainly a better choice than Maneuvers, Tough or Weave.
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Originally Posted by _Uun_
If all you're taking are the two immobilizes and the two holds, ... How can you control stuff if you're skipping the control powers?
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I use Crushing Field, Crush, and Gravity Distortion (Field) to immobilize as many enemy as I can. I like to keep all the mobs on the ground and limited to ranged attacks. I suggested in my sample build a high ranged def as generally not *all* the enemies will be held as GD Field is not up all the time and GD can't hold an entire mob.
This is controlling isn't it!??
I don't think the addition of a radius 15 stun would change much. Besides, I have two /kin powers that buff damage, and Wormhole doesn't do any. Crush, Lift, Gravity Distortion, Crushing Field, and Gravity Distortion Field are the best powers in the gravity set (IMO).
And as far as /kin buffing damage, of course it does! That is my 'buff' set. Most of those powers are intended for a team. They help me when I solo, because really, this is a controller AT, I dont think it is intended for damage. Unfortunately doing damage is how you win, so in this sample build (very much like my own) I slotted 2 damage sets, and have one 'real' attack (Mental Blast). I do the best damage I can without sacrificing holds, I tried slotting damage in the holds they simply did not work as well.
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Originally Posted by _Uun_
nobody seriously considers a pairing with Gravity as a damage dealer
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I just posted a grav/kin build that I use to team and solo some very difficult challenges.
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If it was annoying or ineffective, the problem is the user, not the power.
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Well I got something out of it MrSuzi so thanks. People can have 2 builds can't they, so one build can be about one thing whilst another build is about another. There is nothing wrong with any one build for a suggestion as it doesn't have to be the only build plus any slotting examples help too.
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Wormhole and Propel really are the signature powers of the set, not Crush (Generic Tier 1 ST Immobilize) or Gravity Distortion (Generic Tier 3 ST Hold).
And if you dont take Propel there goes your damage pretty much. Wormhole is, IMO, the best AoE Stun in the game. Large area, decently long Stun, frickin Mag 4 Teleport! It's like herding for dummies.
And Singy is not a decoy. He is god, he is great, he is an amorphous grouping of non-collective molecules and atoms bunched up into the form of a large, visible-to-the-naked-eye atom.
Essentially he's a copy of you. He has all your powers (Save Wormhole and [Duh] Singularity), he's completely (IIRC) invincible, and he comes with his own Repel "aura" thingy. What gets better than that?
Edit: And! Since you're Grav/Kin, you can spawn Singy in a large group and his Fulcrum Shift. Bam! Super Singy.
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Actually it has smaller radius than other stuns : 15ft instead of 25ft making the area about 2.75x smaller. Which sucks quite a bit when you're used to "regular" stuns.|
Originally Posted by Neutrino_Siphon
And if you dont take Propel there goes your damage pretty much. Wormhole is, IMO, the best AoE Stun in the game. Large area, decently long Stun, frickin Mag 4 Teleport! It's like herding for dummies.
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Also range slotting is much better for this than other stuns if you wanna hit from behind corners, which makes slotting slightly harder.
Still, WH is Grav's signature power imo. If you don't want it, you don't want grav!
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Originally Posted by Neutrino_Siphon
And Singy is not a decoy. He is god, ... He has all your powers ..
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Singularity is a highly resistant, hard to hit, repel using agro magnet. Singularity is a computer controlled ally, who has *4* powers (not all) and uses them at random, on almost random targets. This is not a smart ally, its a dumb decoy. Singularity's damage is nothing compared to mine, but then again I spam Crush, GD, and Transfusion.Considering my tactics of using range to my advantage Singularity does even less, as enemies must almost be in melee range for him to do anything at all, otherwise he sits there while I whittle the mob away, I rarely summon him. As I suggested before, staying at range from enemies is a good thing.
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Originally Posted by Neutrino_Siphon
And if you dont take Propel there goes your damage pretty much.
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Someone called out for a build, so I posted one. They asked to not include Purple sets, I didn't. The cost of this build is, imo, rather reasonable (aside from the LotGs, Miracle and Numina's). I use a build very much like this and have great success.
I guess I should probably include that this build is able to solo +4 content and EBs (no insp, no temps). The next step I am taking with this is soloing an AV (again without Inspirations or Temp powers). You can tell me "the problem is with the user", "You are missing the point", or "You are using Gravity wrong" but this is where I, and this build, are at. If you have an AV soloing Grav/Kin build then please post it.
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Well I got something out of it MrSuzi so thanks.
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I skipped Propel and Lift in my Gravity/TA build and have no damage concerns whatsoever. It really does depend on what works for you and in this case, the traditional "signature" gravity powers didn't work for me.
I did take Wormhole and use it situationally, but after AoE debuffs and maybe the AoE hold is applied I can tab between targets and using 2 single target holds and 2 single target immobilize powers everything is pretty locked down. Gravity's single target hold and immobilize each do nice damage over time as well, and holding bosses is never a concern for me.
Now, if I can only stop playing alts long enough to get Oil Slick Arrow I might use Wormhole to invite more "friends to my barbeque"
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Bad idea. Singy's repel will muck up this move.|
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Edit: And! Since you're Grav/Kin, you can spawn Singy in a large group and his Fulcrum Shift. Bam! Super Singy.
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I have an ice/kin whose build resembles MrSuzi's quite a bit in terms of IO slotting--with roughly the same amount of Ranged/AoE and a little more Melee defense. (My grav respec'd out of Propel, because of the animation time. I imagine it would seem even worse on a /kinetic.)
An argument for Wormhole, per MrSuzi's build. The +4 defense (all) from Maneuvers for the team really isn't that useful. Fully capped defense for a team is often better than mezzing a spawn (not dependent on reacting, targeting, spawn spread, or activation times), but +4 ain't gonna provide near as much protection as an almost constant Wormhole that a hastened, siphon-speeded grav/kin can put out.
Wormhole also will be of more use while leveling, because the character's main self-defense of +def (ranged) is something that won't be achieved until the 40s, since most of the defense bonuses require six slotting. The +def (ranged) is very nice for Wormholing* actually, since you don't have to hide behind something.
Skipping Wormhole also means missing out on the chance of combining two spawns into one for maximum Fulcrum Shifting/AoE carnage, for when you're not playing on full teams. It also means missing out on Wormholing critters into the ceiling and sky, a source of (in my case, nearly endless) chuckles. As said before, if you take immobx2 + holdsx2 + pet only from primary, you should select Fire as a primary. (Yeah, yeah, I know.)
Always standing at long range also minimizes some of the benefits of playing /kin; it means you can't take full advantage of Fulcrum Shift and Transfusion (if needed).
Using MrSuzi's build, I would sub out the Leadership powers for Hasten and Wormhole, slot Wormhole with Stupefy and put Blood Mandate into Singularity in place of Expedient Reinforcement.
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That could work out very well. If I could spend the time to get the wormhole mechanic working quickly I can understand how much easier it would make mobs. Unfortunately the loss of the leadership pool, means the loss of Tactics. With the AoEs having .9 and .8 Acc base, I think Tactics turns these powers into 95% hit chance, which is great.|
Originally Posted by Reptlbrain
Using MrSuzi's build, I would sub out the Leadership powers for Hasten and Wormhole, slot Wormhole with Stupefy and put Blood Mandate into Singularity in place of Expedient Reinforcement.
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Yes the 4% def(all) is pretty marginal, but its something, and I share it with my team. If a team of 8 each 'shared' 4% def(all) the team would have 32% def! I took it to help me, and my team, really the tohit buff from Tactics is the 'best in class' power of leadership, Maneuvers topped up my Def and opened Tactics. When I team my priority is to use primary powers to control, keep speed boost up, use Fulcrum Shift/Siphon Power on as many teammates as I can, and use transfusion as often as possible (not always in that order, on a fast team its something like Use Fulcrum Shift as often as possible, make sure SB is always up, stand around and watch the team nuke things)
As far as slotting goes the build I posted is a bit off. I whippped it up at work. I dont belive fully slotting transference with Performance Shifter is a very good idea, as I recall the 'chance for +end' will actually give the nasty endurance, not that it really matters. It would probably do just as well fully slotting stamina over Transference.
I tried to avoid hasten, although I am thinking if I want to solo AVs I will probably need it, and maybe Indomitable Will up all the time. Getting there is a stretch, and likely left to those who can afford some very pricy sets. Not sure if the DPS is enough at the end of the day anyway. My regen debuff is only -50%, so far behind a /rad. Not sure if AVs are possible, I can do +4 EBs, so this build must be close.
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This certainly makes tactics helpful*--and being a /kinetic when tohit debuffs are flying, it's important too.|
Originally Posted by MrSuzi
With the AoEs having .9 and .8 Acc base, I think Tactics turns these powers into 95% hit chance, which is great.
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Yes the 4% def(all) is pretty marginal, but its something, and I share it with my team. If a team of 8 each 'shared' 4% def(all)** the team would have 32% def!
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*Both my Ice/Kin and Grav/TA have Tactics, though it's somewhat redundant on the /TA.
**Scrap/Tank/Blaster Maneuvers is a little shabbier. Try 2.something%.
Decided to take one to 50 and starting to look at full set slotting.
Anyone have one they'd like to post?
Prefer non-purple sets if possible.
Haven't decided on epic pool, but not going with fire.
Any advice welcome!