MA/Regen, can do it?


Panikaze

 

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First of all, I am a roleplayer, so I usually go for concept. But concept alone isn't a good build :P

I wanted to make a good well rounded character since I got tired of roleplaying an week one, even after putting two billion influence it. Well, she is very good for AoE damage but anyway... (50th warshade with perma eclipse and ranged def softcap, can't solo AVs and LOLWARSHADEINPVP?!)

I want a scrapper! Rawr, my first past level 30...
I tried Fire/Dark for concept, and it was relactively weak.
Then I tried BS/Shield and it was.. well, I didn't like broadsword or look like a knight all time with sword and shield.
Then I went for the flavor of the mouth, DM/Shield and.... same problem as above, without the sword.

I was looking on test servers that you can remove /regen FX and change some MA positions and came with a good concept! Now there're some questions I want to make about MA/Regen:

1.) Can MA/Regen solo well? How well? 1-8 spawns? +1, +2?

2.) Can MA/Regen solo AVs with no defense or resist?

3.) Can Ma/Regen pvp some? I'm not a good pvp fan, but it's ridiculous to have a ton of set bonuses and lose to a level 46 blaster with none because you're a LOLShade.

4.) I played with some builds, is it worth to stack regen to it's maximum or recharge is priority? (it got up to 760% base regen with toggles and no IH and 72.5% recharge on mids, I could lower the regen to increase the recharge, how much would I need?)


^^ Thanks ahead for the answers!


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1.) Can MA/Regen solo well? How well? 1-8 spawns? +1, +2?
The answer is... maybe. It depends on how good you are with those click powers. If you can't really predict incoming damage well or have a hard time managing clickies, you're gonna have a hard time soloing large group content. Even if you're not a great player, you should still have no problem soloing normally. There isn't a Scrapper alive that can't solo normal content.

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2.) Can MA/Regen solo AVs with no defense or resist?
This is gonna sound bad, especially since I'm reasonably sure that someone has done it, but, no, you're not going to solo AVs without getting some damage mitigation to augment your damage recovery. */Regen's damage recovery is nice, but it's not enough on its own 99.99% of the time for AVs, especially the harder ones.

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3.) Can Ma/Regen pvp some? I'm not a good pvp fan, but it's ridiculous to have a ton of set bonuses and lose to a level 46 blaster with none because you're a LOLShade.
From what I've been told (I haven't really kept abreast of the PvP changes), MA/Regen is actually one of the better PvP sets. MA is supposed to have decent burst damage in Eagles Claw and */regen is, iirc, considered to be the best PvP Scrapper secondary thanks to the incredible peak survivability.

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4.) I played with some builds, is it worth to stack regen to it's maximum or recharge is priority? (it got up to 760% base regen with toggles and no IH and 72.5% recharge on mids, I could lower the regen to increase the recharge, how much would I need?)
You can stack regen, but recharge is going to do more for you. Honestly, if you're looking for effective, you're best bet is to simply ignore +regen and focus on recharge first, second, and third, and defense 4th. Everything else (after making sure all of your important powers are getting decent values from their enhancements) should take a back seat.


 

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IIRC Wistaria has solod some avs using insps on his MA/Regen


 

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IIRC Wistaria has solod some avs using insps on his MA/Regen
But probably not without some defense and resistance. I don't think Umbral was saying Martial Arts/Regen can't solo AVs. Just that Martial Arts/Regen isn't going to solo AVs without significantly buffing up its damage mitigation.


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Werner! I'm your fan!! :P
I saw your videos, some of them. (/regen ones only)

*coughs* So... about defense, I could come with a soft caped mellee and ranged defense for MA, but I guess it crippled the recharge too much and I wouldn't have the damage necessary to kill an AV.

And I didn't know Katana's DPS was good against AV's, I have a friend with capped defences on a Katana/fire and he was complaining he was immortal, but couldn't kill AVs due to lack of damage.

Also, a question for you Werner, I noticed on your videos that the enemies were missing alot of ranged attacks, I suposed you have mellee soft cap with divine avalanche and some defence IOs and also ranged softcap. Do you have AoE soft cap too?


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I got a MA/Regen as my main here!

1.) Can MA/Regen solo well? How well? 1-8 spawns? +1, +2?
Oh hell yeah. The bigger the spawn, the bigger the troubles. Depending on your specific build and enemies, your survival rate would vary.

2.) Can MA/Regen solo AVs with no defense or resist?
Even with maxed +regen, I don't think that's possible. You could survive for a while, but you got to find a way to prevent AVs from connecting with you as often (defense) and to make sure that those hits don't hurt as bad (resists).

3.) Can Ma/Regen pvp some? I'm not a good pvp fan, but it's ridiculous to have a ton of set bonuses and lose to a level 46 blaster with none because you're a LOLShade.
Yup, as Umbral has said. I have actually taken my PvE MA/Regen build to duel my friend's brute, which is pretty tough according to some of her other friends. MA hits hard plus it has some stuns inherent to its attacks, which is an extra benefit where there is not mez protection in PvP. Regen, as said before, is probably the top secondary for PvP with its high regen potential and click heals. Of course, if you get hit with slows, -recharge, or -regen, then you'll drop easily.


4.) I played with some builds, is it worth to stack regen to it's maximum or recharge is priority? (it got up to 760% base regen with toggles and no IH and 72.5% recharge on mids, I could lower the regen to increase the recharge, how much would I need?)
Is 72.5% your global recharge from set bonuses (outside of Hasten)? If so, then that's damn good for a MA/Regen build. That would stack nicely with Hasten to get you perma-DP and probably enable MA's high DPS chain. Now if that is your max recharge but no Hasten, then you should fix your build so you can get Hasten into your build. If that is your global recharge with Hasten, then you should probably rework it to get more recharge.

You don't need to work for regen bonuses, but if it's there, then it's there. 760% regen looks nice, but you can do just as well even if that rate drops by 100%. Once you got Integration and IH slotted up, all the nickel and diming from set bonuses don't see any real great return from all the effort. You are better off trying to increase +recharge or even +defense.


 

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4.) I played with some builds, is it worth to stack regen to it's maximum or recharge is priority? (it got up to 760% base regen with toggles and no IH and 72.5% recharge on mids, I could lower the regen to increase the recharge, how much would I need?)
Is 72.5% your global recharge from set bonuses (outside of Hasten)? If so, then that's damn good for a MA/Regen build. That would stack nicely with Hasten to get you perma-DP and probably enable MA's high DPS chain. Now if that is your max recharge but no Hasten, then you should fix your build so you can get Hasten into your build. If that is your global recharge with Hasten, then you should probably rework it to get more recharge.

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Thanks! And it's 72.5% + 70% of hasten, yes
with that regen + panacea unique
without counting the new body master power but with room for it already in the build, so add + 35% regen to that. Almost 800% base regen, without IH and a nice bonus healing, 56% heal on reconstruction, 20sec recharge.


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Werner! I'm your fan!! :P
And I didn't know Katana's DPS was good against AV's, I have a friend with capped defences on a Katana/fire and he was complaining he was immortal, but couldn't kill AVs due to lack of damage.

Also, a question for you Werner, I noticed on your videos that the enemies were missing alot of ranged attacks, I suposed you have mellee soft cap with divine avalanche and some defence IOs and also ranged softcap. Do you have AoE soft cap too?
Not even close to the soft cap on Ranged (28.7%) or AoE (17.4%). At the time (I12), those were very good defense numbers. They're almost laughable now, or at least laughable if you knew how much I had to give up to get there.

Katana's DPS is actually very good. You sacrifice some of that to double stack Parry, which is what you'll want on a Regen, but you'll still be OK. I do about 175 DPS, which is plenty for most AVs. One of the key components of that is an Achilles' Heel in Gambler's Cut and an attack chain to spam it.


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