Two Cysts in same room...

*sigh* Novella, if you are a 4+ year vet then surely you've read and heard many of the rough scenarios Kheldian Players have had with Cysts. Perhaps some of these are just whiners and complainers, but I know that many are not, because I've experienced it too. Now that I'm a much more accomplished player I don't experience it nearly the level I used to. I, too, can solo Cysts now.

All that begs the point. Cysts, relative to how often they spawn, are much more likely that other foes to cause an extreme situation, especially for less powerful and inexperienced teams. When I described my 8-team wipe scenario, you bring up things such as maybe team makeup wasn't adequate, and suggest that the team shouldn't have kept trying. I don't know how 'optimal' our team was, but we handled all 'normal' mobs and bosses just fine... and since when is giving up on a scenario considered the normal gameplay. Most teams should only give up when a situation is hopeless...and if Cysts can cause an over-abudance of 'hopeless' situations, again relative to spawning rates, then to me that's a problem.

Additionally, when I said that that Cysts are the worst non AV/GM foe out there, I didn't mean for Khelds only (as you seem to have taken it), but all ATs. Yes, my PB can handle Ring Mistress, Rikti Mental Bosses too (solo them fairly easily now), but certain other ATs don't even blink with those foes. And yet just about every AT seems to be wary of a Cysts. A Cyst is the only foe in the game where I've seen non-Khelds make special keybinds just to spot one (well, them and Sappers...a Vs and Qs, but the latter are kheld related too, so doesn't help the topic). I teamed with a Defender once who's keybind included team speech: "I detect the dark presense of Cyst Crystal." or something like that...

I've never seen Tankers and Blasters holler out 'Dark Ring Mistress!!!', or "Look out! Malta Gunslinger!"

Ultimately, Cysts are an 'admitted' bug that the Devs have, for whatever reason, decided not to fix. It doesn't matter how well a prepared or powerful team can handle them, Cysts don't belong in regular missions, physically or thematically. Remember, they're the safe houses of Nicti that don't have a host; the Crystal keeps them alive. Cysts are supposed to be, like, sorta precious... So when I see one on a Sidewalk in Downtown PI while streetsweeping ( and I have ), or hanging out with Devouring Earth I find it more than a little odd...

But you have no problem with it, so lets just leave it at that...

I am not saying that all people are whiners or complainers or saying they are overexaggerating. I simple asked because I was curious and have always been curious about why people make sure a big deal about them. As a vet you are correct in in your assumption that I have heard or read about people having tough times with them, but until now I just ignored them and kept quite. It wasn't until the other night when someone did not want to invite me on a ITF that I didn't take issue with it. After a second they sent me a tell apologizing saying they misread my global and would like to have me, but I told them I had not done the contact to get into Cimerora because at that moment I thought that I didn't until I checked the next day and noticed I had already finished Daedelus.

When you described your team I said what I said because you also mentioned that people were not having fun so I said if they were not having fun then why would they stick around for 8 teamwipes and keep going? They obviously weren't to bothered by it. I also said what I said because your example was very extreme to me and I have never head of anything like it in all the years I have played this game. I just brought up factors that I would have liked to know if you wanted a better answer for your question.

Just last night we ran a Statesman TF and I used my Peacebringer. During our TF we encountered 3 Cysts. The first two were in the Thorn Tree where you take out the vines, and the other was in Grandville just ahead of where the AVs are waiting for you. Each time we just charged ahead and I don't think a person gave them a single thought. I started attacking one them in the Tree and nearly had ti down before our spines Scrapper came over and used Ripper for the finishing blow. Point of my story is that there are plenty of people out there non-Kheldian or Kheldian who don't give them a second thought because they aren't that big a deal, but in my experience it seems like people are just overly sensitive to them in my opinion. I know that is not how you feel, but that is my opinion.

You are right, people don't say anything about other bosses. The only reason I think people say anything about Cysts is because they stick out lke a sore thumb.

If they are an admitted bug by the devs then my mistake, I wasn't aware they were a bug. I understand they house the essence of Nictus, but I had a view completely different than yours. I looked at it as though they appeared randomly looking for bodies to force themselves on, its not like Nictus have manners and are going to ask like a Peacebringer would.

You have said your opinion and I have read it so I guess we can leave it at that.

There is a HUGE difference encountering a Cyst at level 50, versus encountering one at levels below 20, regardless of team make up and experience. At level 20, a nictii blossom from a Cyst can stack enough slows to create a hole in SR's mez protection (considered one of the best in the game, fyi), for example. It can certainly dish out enough AoE damage to overwhelm any individual healing power set (meaning if there isn't another toon with heals on your team, you a likely going to have at least one death). At level 4, your team is dead, period, unless you run, or have an exemplared level 50 with you... It is, in my opinion, one of the main reasons you don't see many teams running at the highest difficulty setting before level 22 when SOs basically double the strength of all your powers. I doubt there are many khelds who can solo a Cyst before level 38, but after level 38 they probably don't even hesitate to try, and more often than not likely succeed (if they took the power that unlocks at 38 ). They ARE challenging, for most of the game, and CAN be a pain, even at level 50, depending on placement. And I for one wouldn't have em any other way

I disagree.

I have been soloing Cyst's since my 20s and I know other Peacebringers (human-only) that I have been able to do the same. I cannot say the same about Warshades though. I wasn't able to solo one with a Warshade (human-only) until my late late 30s even though I am sure there are some Warshades that have been able to solo them just fine.

I've never seen a Cyst before level 10 personally so I can't speak about low levels Cysts and teams. On (2) Warshades and a Peacebringer I didn't start seeing Cysts until in the teens and early 20s and since I don't solo they were never much of an issue, but as stories on here have shown, not everyone has the same experience.