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Just thinking about putting a +recharge enhancement in a pet - would it speed up the attack speed?
I'm thinking, of course, about the secondary effects - a +Recharge from Undermined Defences in Audrey - or a +End/Rec from Kinetic Crash in the Phantasm.
[/ QUOTE ]Pretty sure that the answer is yes.
+ Recharge Enh/IO's dont effect pet attack speed only how quickly you can respawn them.
The only way to increase attack speed is through buffs such as Speed Boost and Accelerate Metabolism.
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+ Recharge Enh/IO's dont effect pet attack speed only how quickly you can respawn them.
The only way to increase attack speed is through buffs such as Speed Boost and Accelerate Metabolism.
[/ QUOTE ]And I'm still pretty sure multi-aspect IOs that affect one property of a pet's attack apply their other effects to the pet's attacks as well. I'm never 100% sure of anything but I could swear slotting stuff like Heal/Rech into Dark Servant, for example, would make it cast Twilight Grasp with a shorter recharge.
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+ Recharge Enh/IO's dont effect pet attack speed only how quickly you can respawn them.
The only way to increase attack speed is through buffs such as Speed Boost and Accelerate Metabolism.
[/ QUOTE ]And I'm still pretty sure multi-aspect IOs that affect one property of a pet's attack apply their other effects to the pet's attacks as well. I'm never 100% sure of anything but I could swear slotting stuff like Heal/Rech into Dark Servant, for example, would make it cast Twilight Grasp with a shorter recharge.
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I think you'll find that it doesn't.
What you're forgetting is that IO's affect the power that they're slotted into, the pet is the power not the power that the pet is using.
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Except that there are definite IOs that trigger when a pet uses a power. My Audrey has a Lady Grey: Proc for negative damage, and that thing fires off often enough. But only from the attacks that do defence debuffs.
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Except that there are definite IOs that trigger when a pet uses a power. My Audrey has a Lady Grey: Proc for negative damage, and that thing fires off often enough. But only from the attacks that do defence debuffs.
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I'm not saying that a +rechange wont work whether it's a proc or in an IO. What I'm saying is that the +recharge in whatever form IO, Proc, Global is applied to the power itself (or all or your alts powers if proc or global); it wont however increase the recharge on the pets own powers.
For example until recently Force Feedback +recharge was bugged and used to give 100% recharge when it fired this allowed Perma PA relativley easily as the +recharge was applied to all of the alts powers and not super recharging the Phantasm if the FF proc was slotted in it.
Having said that I did read on the US forums recently that +rechage in PET specific IO Sets do seem to be effecting the Pets own rechange as well as the alts although I've not tested this and I assume its a bug.
Simply slotting Pet specific IO's might be all that you need to do.
If you do test this I'd be very interested to know.
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Americans are wrong then? (continues on page 4)
And I'm still 99.99% sure the FF +rech proc affects the pet when the pet uses attacks with knockback components and the proc rolls successfully. It only affects you, the summoner, when you use the pet summon power, upon which a roll is triggered as well on the summoner. More linky that I found.
That's very interesting, my Phanstasms got an FF +Rechange for the melee bug (Ilusion/Kinetic). I can see when it fires so I'll keep an eye on him.
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Currently Levelling: Angelic Blade - BS/WP Scrapper | Seeds of Destruction - Plant/Kin Controller
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Americans are wrong then? (continues on page 4)
And I'm still 99.99% sure the FF +rech proc affects the pet when the pet uses attacks with knockback components and the proc rolls successfully. It only affects you, the summoner, when you use the pet summon power, upon which a roll is triggered as well on the summoner. More linky that I found.
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Looks like there was a bug; from todays patch.
"Fixed a bug that caused the +recharge components from Recharge Intensive Pet enhancements to carry over to the pet attack speed. These enhancement sets are designed to speed up the powers recharge time, not the pets attacks."
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You can't even slot Recharge Intensive Pet sets into Mastermind Pets. And Masterminds have reported things like this before i13.
Granted, I do realize these aren't the Mastermind forums, but aside from controllability and upgradability, I was under the impression they operate in much the same manner anyway.
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+ Recharge Enh/IO's dont effect pet attack speed only how quickly you can respawn them.
The only way to increase attack speed is through buffs such as Speed Boost and Accelerate Metabolism.
[/ QUOTE ]And I'm still pretty sure multi-aspect IOs that affect one property of a pet's attack apply their other effects to the pet's attacks as well. I'm never 100% sure of anything but I could swear slotting stuff like Heal/Rech into Dark Servant, for example, would make it cast Twilight Grasp with a shorter recharge.
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I think you'll find that it doesn't.
What you're forgetting is that IO's affect the power that they're slotted into, the pet is the power not the power that the pet is using.
[/ QUOTE ]well that's pretty obviously wrong, otherwise Pet Damage Ios wouldn't work. Also yot can slot Dark Servants with Heal set ios and easily prove they do work, i've done it myself. I asked this myself a while back, the behaviour seems a little random and undefined, from my tests as far as i could tell Set Ios pass their bonuses on, normal Ios don't. But Real Numbers report that they do, along with Sos. It's all rather confusing really and could do with proper official confirmation.
Sorry if i missed something though, i just speed read the thread on a mobile from my hospital bed. Blame the drugs if i'm wrong.
Actually i'd be happy to be wrong if it meant a definate answer.
Edit: those patch notes suggest to me that the new sets highlighted the 'bug' with set Ios and they may have fixed it. Damn it.
Hi Carni,
Sorry to hear that you're not feeling very well, nothing serious I hope.
I dont follow your logic on Pet Damage though; how is slotting Damage IO's in a Pet any different to slotting them in any other attack.
Attacks have a base damage and you slot an enhancement in it that increase the damage of that power by X amount. In the case of pet damage, all attacks will now deal base damage plus X.
In regards to the +recharge in pet attacks increasing attack rate it's not something that I've heard about prior to this thread and I've been reading the forums since i3.
Must have slipped under the radar if its true.
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From the patch notes for Dec 9
Invention
Fixed a bug that caused the +recharge components from Recharge Intensive Pet enhancements to carry over to the pet attack speed. These enhancement sets are designed to speed up the power's recharge time, not the pets' attacks.
so they should no longer boost the attack rate - just the power's recharge
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I dont follow your logic on Pet Damage though; how is slotting Damage IO's in a Pet any different to slotting them in any other attack.
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The bugfix specifically refers to the new Recharge-intensive pet sets, which does not strictly imply that it also applies to all other sets slotted into pets. Pretty sure Soulbound Allegiance still boosts the recharge of pet attacks, for example, at least on observation. Of course, this is hardly credible evidence. An official word would be cool.
Just thinking about putting a +recharge enhancement in a pet - would it speed up the attack speed?
I'm thinking, of course, about the secondary effects - a +Recharge from Undermined Defences in Audrey - or a +End/Rec from Kinetic Crash in the Phantasm.