WP tanks on STF


Amy83

 

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My WP tank is now very nearly 50, and I thought that the STF would be a nice way for him to ding. I've seen him stand up to many an AV with little or no support, and with support stand up to just about anything, but the thought of +4 AVs and the big bad himself has me wondering if a WP tank can take it. With a pet emp and enough rad debuffs (most likely at least 2) would he survive ok? He has tough and weave, as well as health, and with AB on him and other buffs, his regen rate is impressive, but spike damage is never his friend.

So, do any other WP tanks have experience of being the tank on STF, or would it be best to bring another tank along to be the primary?


 

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I've run STF a couple of times with a WP tank as the primary. On one run the WP tank went through the whole thing intact without any difficulty.

On another occasion with a different WP tank; had to have buffs to survive.

I guess it must have been slotting or IOs that made the difference. Both tanks where lvl50.

Try doing the Praetorian arc on invincible.
If you feel confident in holding +3 +4 AVs at lvl49 then you shouldnt have a problem on a heroic STF.

Congrats in advance


 

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or would it be best to bring another tank along to be the primary?

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Try not to think that with any type of tank. You will limit yourself and limit others. Go in and concentrate on learning from it. Everyone relies on you and you on everyone else.


He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.

 

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True Shannon, but when it comes to things like STF and LRSF, its pretty frustrating when you get all that way and cant finish it.

I tanked most of the praetorians pretty successfully, and when LK space fell short one time, I was tanking +4/+5s with buffs, and even took on Malaise and Mother Mayhem as +4 to me.

I'm looking forward to doing STF with my tank though!


 

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In some ways the Praetorians are harder than Arachnos. I think thank "" they aren't 54.

You can as a tanker find yourself completing the MoSTF, join another team and dying to a 52 Praetorian. We are what people in the teams help make us and allow us to make of ourselves..as sometimes your forced into a teamwipe position trying to save a chipmunk that you needn't of been in.

I have seen tankers tank +5 as low as in their 20s but its not the same when they have people that are +5 to them controlling. Somehow they think it is and in some cases I didn't really see them with aggro, they were on the team and had a portion of it. Taunt duration as well debuffs have a much lesser impact above certain levels against certain enemies (no set level for all I don't think). Sometimes its safer to have a virtual sense of control than an actual sense. I think its good do know just how much your level of control is worth.

Ofc I generalize across different types of tanks.


He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.

 

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Well yesterday I did the STF as the sole tank and he did brilliantly. With a bubble fender on the team I felt largely untouchable and the emp picked up the slack when it was needed which wasnt much. Recluse hit me hard before his red tower went down, after this, in general my regen could cope with his damage when the bubbler was busy. Only time I got scared was when GW finally managed to hit me and got me in soul storm, was wierd seeing him float about like that. After that the emp did a great job of keeping CM on me, but still, that was the most damage I took for the whole thing. Gotta love a bubbler on the team, though the emp got pretty bored


 

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I have yet to do it with a bubbler but I can imagine some empaths having to spam heals way, way less. My empath currently has power boost which puts fort at 45% (had it checked) so she is a bit "bubbler? per che?". The thing with empaths is that its much better if the tank and the team can make it so that the damage to the team is taken thru the tank, with bubblers you can afford to be less careful unless we are talking about stacked AoEs.


He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.

 

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I tried once STF on a team with two WP tanks on team. None of them had tough, one of them couldn't stand LR for more than 5 seconds on the tower phase, the other one, a more experienced tanker (he's got 2 more tanks at lvl 50) managed barely with a full dedicated empath, a rad and lots of large orange insps. Both of them had trouble with LR spawns afterwards, but I personally think it was more a problem of the blasters refusing to nuke because "but they will kill me" and pooed their pants.

Anyway, for what I've seen, I think a WP tank can tank perfectly LR with the right power choices and proper support, at the end of the day a WP tank with Tough should have similar smashing/lethal resistances than a fire tank if I am not wrong and we've been doing STF for months with a Fire tank without major problem.

Edit: Fixed typos and stuff


 

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The biggest problem with doing the STF is that there has been no real investigation on just what you can make yourself capable of doing on it. A team with one simple interest in dissecting it is bound to come up with simpler methods. You can do a STF live, character copy at each difficult junction to the test server (but you will have whole missions to cover) and really get a chance to play with it in your own time to try and destroy some of the myths. I believe that the way its commonly gone about isn't the most sensible way and that there are methods that can make lighter work of it so that teams don't have to be so fussingly set up requiring certain pool powers and powersets making it easier for more and more PuGs to walk in and do it. Half of the get this and need that is pretty knee jerk imo.


He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.

 

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The biggest problem with doing the STF is that there has been no real investigation on just what you can make yourself capable of doing on it. A team with one simple interest in dissecting it is bound to come up with simpler methods. You can do a STF live, character copy at each difficult junction to the test server (but you will have whole missions to cover) and really get a chance to play with it in your own time to try and destroy some of the myths. I believe that the way its commonly gone about isn't the most sensible way and that there are methods that can make lighter work of it so that teams don't have to be so fussingly set up requiring certain pool powers and powersets making it easier for more and more PuGs to walk in and do it. Half of the get this and need that is pretty knee jerk imo.

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Maybe so, I don't pretend to be an authority on tanks or in STF. I have done a few STF's with a regular team for months with many variations, same players / different toons and as I said, my take on WP tanks is that they breeze through it until it is time to face LR with the 4 towers up, once you get the means to make it through his smashing/lethal damage, there's no difference between any tanker primary, even a scrapper with confront could do it with the appropriate means, call it team mates buffs, debuffs, inspirations, power/pool power choices, temp powers, etc... it's not rocket science, not an easy TF but not rocket science.

I think the only myth about STF is that only a determined team of determined AT's with determined powersets can do it, for what I have seen, any PuG can do STF if they work as a team. Most of the STF failures I have expereinced come often in the last mission and on teams who breezed throuh all previous missions, when they think it is a piece of cake and they start soloing in the team, but now I am drifting off topic anyway, sorry.-


 

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I have to apologize I was wrong about there being no real investigation on how to make it a damn sight easier.


He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.

 

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Well my WP tank has tough and weave, and I tend to run CJ too for that extra bit of defence. When the bubbler forgot to bubble me up and the empath was sorting out another team member, I could easily survive once the red tower was down. Before that tower went down, I was very very glad to have the empath around. Otherwise I think I'de have needed debuffs on LR to cope.

I'le be interested to see how I do on it again with that toon, on a different team.