Is the Fire/Ice Tanker Dead ?

_Mr_A_ · 08-23-2006 09:47 AM

The answer for all those who still believe this to be true... HELL NO!

Ok, once again it's time to respec my Fire/Ice Tanker, I haven't respec'd her since Issue5 was released

I ran a new build past my good friend Dawnie (aka Shannon) the other day, and well... put it this way, it was total pants, days later I think she is still laughing

Thanks Dawnie for highlighted things about slotting characters that I had previously not considered properly.

So with all Dawnie's suggestions in mind, plus a slow day at the office , I have been reading the Tanker section on the Forums all morning trying to figure out a new Fire/Ice build (mainly slotting).

Here is what I have so far (includes Dawnie's suggestions):
I may have got a few wrong as I did it from memory.

Bare in mind, this is NOT a final build, I am looking for mainly a PvE build which will also fair well in PvP.
Also I am not 100% sure on the Power order yet.

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Name: Sunburn v1.3
Level: 50
Archetype: Tanker
Primary: Fiery Aura
Secondary: Ice Melee
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01) --> Fire Shield==> DmgRes(1) DmgRes(3) DmgRes(3) EndRdx(5)
01) --> Frozen Fists==> Acc(1) EndRdx(5)
02) --> Healing Flames==> Heal(2) Heal(7) Heal(7) Rechg(9) Rechg(9) Rechg(11)
04) --> Blazing Aura==> Taunt(4) Taunt(11) Acc(13) Acc(13) EndRdx(15) EndRdx(15)
06) --> Hasten==> Rechg(6) Rechg(17) Rechg(17)
08) --> Consume==> EndMod(8) EndMod(19) Acc(19) Acc(21) Rechg(21) Rechg(23)
10) --> Taunt==> Taunt(10) Taunt(23) Taunt(25) Acc(25) Rechg(27) Rechg(27)
12) --> Combat Jumping==> DefBuf(12)
14) --> Super Jump==> EndRdx(14)
16) --> Plasma Shield==> DmgRes(16) DmgRes(29) DmgRes(29) EndRdx(31)
18) --> Burn==> Dmg(18) Dmg(31) Dmg(31) Rechg(33) Rechg(33) Rechg(33)
20) --> Ice Patch==> EndRdx(20) EndRdx(34) EndRdx(34) Rechg(34) Rechg(36)
22) --> Swift==> Run(22)
24) --> Health==> Heal(24) Heal(36) Heal(36)
26) --> Stamina==> EndMod(26) EndMod(37) EndMod(37)
28) --> Acrobatics==> EndRdx(28)
30) --> Fiery Embrace==> Rechg(30) Rechg(37) Rechg(39)
32) --> Boxing==> Acc(32) EndRdx(39)
35) --> Tough==> DmgRes(38) DmgRes(42) DmgRes(42) EndRdx(43) EndRdx(43) EndRdx(43)
38) --> Greater Ice Sword==> Dmg(35) Dmg(39) Acc(40) Acc(40) EndRdx(40) Rechg(42)
41) --> Conserve Power==> Rechg(41) Rechg(45) Rechg(45)
44) --> Focused Accuracy==> TH_Buf(44) TH_Buf(45) TH_Buf(46) Rechg(46) Rechg(46) Rechg(48)
47) --> Freezing Touch==> Hold(47) Hold(48) Acc(48) Acc(50) EndRdx(50) Rechg(50)
49) --> Rise of the Phoenix==> Rechg(49)
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01) --> Sprint==> Run(1)
01) --> Brawl==> Acc(1)
01) --> Gauntlet==> Empty(1)
02) --> Rest==> Rechg(2)
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Ebon_Hawk · 08-23-2006 10:02 AM

just a quick one.. you might want to swap those recharge reducers in Focused accuracy for End Reducers

find me: @Ebon Hawk or @Jayd Dragon on Union

MBarUK · 08-23-2006 10:21 AM

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20) --> Ice Patch==> EndRdx(20) EndRdx(34) EndRdx(34) Rechg(34) Rechg(36)

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The Recharges I can understand but three End Redux in a power that only costs about 10 End every 30 seconds?

_Mr_A_ · 08-23-2006 10:58 AM

Oops... like I said I might have made a few mistakes...

I forgot the power time factor.
Should be 1 EndRdx in Ice Patch

Where do you think the 2 free slots taken from Ice Patch should be placed?

_Mr_A_ · 08-23-2006 11:04 AM

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just a quick one.. you might want to swap those recharge reducers in Focused accuracy for End Reducers

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Really? Focused Accuracy wont recharge quick enough to warrent EndRdx slotting and it only has a 0.59 endurance cost.

Any other opinions on this?

_Mr_A_ · 08-23-2006 11:32 AM

Looking at the build, some of my EndRdx slotting isn't quite as good as it could be...

I've changed a few EndRdx slots, is this build better?
I've highlighted the changes in Blue.

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Name: Sunburn v1.3
Level: 50
Archetype: Tanker
Primary: Fiery Aura
Secondary: Ice Melee
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01) --> Fire Shield==> DmgRes(1) DmgRes(3) DmgRes(3) EndRdx(5)
01) --> Frozen Fists==> Acc(1) EndRdx(5)
02) --> Healing Flames==> Heal(2) Heal(7) Heal(7) Rechg(9) Rechg(9) Rechg(11)
04) --> Blazing Aura==> Taunt(4) Taunt(11) Acc(13) Acc(13) Acc(15) EndRdx(15)
06) --> Hasten==> Rechg(6) Rechg(17) Rechg(17)
08) --> Consume==> EndMod(8) EndMod(19) Acc(19) Acc(21) Rechg(21) Rechg(23)
10) --> Taunt==> Taunt(10) Taunt(23) Acc(25) Range(25) Rechg(27) Rechg(27)
12) --> Combat Jumping==> DefBuf(12)
14) --> Super Jump==> EndRdx(14)
16) --> Plasma Shield==> DmgRes(16) DmgRes(29) DmgRes(29) EndRdx(31)
18) --> Burn==> Dmg(18) Dmg(31) Dmg(31) Rechg(33) Rechg(33) Rechg(33)
20) --> Ice Patch==> EndRdx(20) Rechg(34) Rechg(34) Rechg(34)
22) --> Swift==> Run(22)
24) --> Health==> Heal(24) Heal(36) Heal(36)
26) --> Stamina==> EndMod(26) EndMod(36) EndMod(37)
28) --> Acrobatics==> EndRdx(28)
30) --> Fiery Embrace==> EndRdx(30) Rechg(37) Rechg(37) Rechg(39)
32) --> Boxing==> Acc(32) EndRdx(39)
35) --> Greater Ice Sword==> Dmg(35) Dmg(39) Acc(40) Acc(40) EndRdx(40) Rechg(42)
38) --> Tough==> DmgRes(38) DmgRes(42) DmgRes(42) EndRdx(43) EndRdx(43)
41) --> Conserve Power==> EndRdx(41) Rechg(43) Rechg(45) Rechg(45)
44) --> Focused Accuracy==> TH_Buf(44) TH_Buf(45) TH_Buf(46) Rechg(46) Rechg(46) Rechg(48)
47) --> Freezing Touch==> Hold(47) Hold(48) Acc(48) Acc(50) EndRdx(50) Rechg(50)
49) --> Rise of the Phoenix==> Rechg(49)
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01) --> Sprint==> Run(1)
01) --> Brawl==> Acc(1)
01) --> Gauntlet==> Empty(1)
02) --> Rest==> Rechg(2)
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New Dawn · 08-23-2006 01:29 PM

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20) --> Ice Patch==> EndRdx(20) EndRdx(34) EndRdx(34) Rechg(34) Rechg(36)

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The Recharges I can understand but three End Redux in a power that only costs about 10 End every 30 seconds?

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Mr A can be pure comedy bless him!

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44) --> Focused Accuracy==> TH_Buf(44) TH_Buf(45) TH_Buf(46) Rechg(46) Rechg(46) Rechg(48)

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Id swap the 3 rechg in focused accuracy for end reduxes.

The level you have picked some powers i am not keen on and the level at which you have some slotted powers i am not keen on ill be back with what i would be ok with (i dont have a fire/ice but i do have a fire/fire and a ice/ice)

ok back using Mr A's power choices and from what i can combine in my head i did this:

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Name:
Level: 50
Archetype: Tanker
Primary: Fiery Aura
Secondary: Ice Melee
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01) --> Fire Shield==> DmgRes(1) DmgRes(9) DmgRes(9) EndRdx(42)
01) --> Frozen Fists==> Acc(1) Rechg(11) EndRdx(27)
02) --> Healing Flames==> Rechg(2) Rechg(3) Rechg(3) Heal(5) Heal(5) Heal(15)
04) --> Blazing Aura==> EndRdx(4) Acc(15) Acc(17) Dam(17) Dam(25) Taunt(43)(2acc+foc acc is alot and your taunt will help to keep aggro versus tsoo and storm shamans, spectral daemons etc if you exemp)
06) --> Hasten==> Rechg(6) Rechg(7) Rechg(7)
08) --> Combat Jumping==> DefBuf(8)
10) --> Taunt==> Rechg(10) Rechg(11) Taunt(27) Taunt(40) Range(43)
12) --> Plasma Shield==> DmgRes(12) DmgRes(13) DmgRes(13) EndRdx(43) why you left it late i dont know
14) --> Super Jump==> EndRdx or jump(14) i forget to turn powers off hence i suggested end slotting it
16) --> Consume==> Acc(16) Rechg(19) Rechg(19) Rechg(21) EndMod(21) Acc(25)
18) --> Burn==> Rechg(18) Rechg(23) Rechg(37) Dmg(48) Dmg(48) Dmg(50)i prolly slotted this late, i dont actually have it myself.
20) --> Acrobatics==> EndRdx(20) EndRdx(31)
22) --> Ice Patch==> Rechg(22) Rechg(23) Rechg(34) EndRdx(48)
24) --> Swift==> Run(24)
26) --> Boxing==> Acc(26) EndRdx(46)
28) --> Health==> Heal(28) Heal(29) Heal(29)
30) --> Stamina==> EndMod(30) EndMod(31) EndMod(31)
32) --> Tough==> EndRdx(32) EndRdx(33) EndRdx(33) DmgRes(33) DmgRes(34) DmgRes(34)
35) --> Greater Ice Sword==> Acc(35) EndRdx(36) Dmg(36) Dmg(36) Dmg(37) Rechg(37)
38) --> Freezing Touch==> Acc(38) Acc(39) Hold(39) Hold(39) Rechg(40) Rechg(40)
41) --> Conserve Power==> Rechg(41) Rechg(42) Rechg(42)
44) --> Focused Accuracy==> EndRdx(44) EndRdx(45) EndRdx(45) TH_Buf(45) TH_Buf(46) TH_Buf(46)
47) --> Rise of the Phoenix==> Rechg(47)
49) --> Fiery Embrace==> Rechg(49) Rechg(50) Rechg(50)
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01) --> Sprint==> Empty(1)
01) --> Brawl==> Empty(1)
01) --> Gauntlet==> Empty(1)
02) --> Rest==> Empty(2)
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_Mr_A_ · 08-23-2006 01:46 PM

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20) --> Ice Patch==> EndRdx(20) EndRdx(34) EndRdx(34) Rechg(34) Rechg(36)

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The Recharges I can understand but three End Redux in a power that only costs about 10 End every 30 seconds?

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Mr A can be pure comedy bless him!

[/ QUOTE ]I love you too Dawnie

LoL, Hey Dawn

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The level you have picked some powers i am not keen on and the level at which you have some slotted powers i am not keen on ill be back with what i would be ok with (i dont have a fire/ice but i do have a fire/fire and a ice/ice)

[/ QUOTE ]Like I said above, I am not 100% sure of my power order, this I know I need to sort out.

MaXimillion_Zero · 08-23-2006 02:04 PM

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just a quick one.. you might want to swap those recharge reducers in Focused accuracy for End Reducers

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Really? Focused Accuracy wont recharge quick enough to warrent EndRdx slotting and it only has a 0.59 endurance cost.

Any other opinions on this?

[/ QUOTE ]It's a TOGGLE

_Mr_A_ · 08-23-2006 02:10 PM

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just a quick one.. you might want to swap those recharge reducers in Focused accuracy for End Reducers

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Really? Focused Accuracy wont recharge quick enough to warrent EndRdx slotting and it only has a 0.59 endurance cost.

Any other opinions on this?

[/ QUOTE ]It's a TOGGLE

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OMG... I knew that but I had it in my head that it was like Build Up or Aim... WHAT A BLEEP!

Stupid Stupid Stupid Stupid Stupid Stupid

That changes everything... now I do completely agree!

_Mr_A_ · 08-23-2006 06:07 PM

Doesn't look like you've changed much... your power order looks much better than mine, and your Blazing Aura is slotted slightly different with 2 Dmg instead of my 2 extra taunts.

Thanks Dawnie, looks good

Primaxi · 08-25-2006 07:33 AM

I made a whole difrent fire/ice (the slots and powers) 3 weeks ago

When i am back from work (late this evening) i'll post my (farming) build.

XeoX seen me in action with this new build