Spines/Dark

GunNut_EU · 05-29-2006 07:50 PM

Spines/Dark even possible with out someone to keep your end up!? ... got a Dark Meele/Regen don't really want another /Regen.

Cynic · 05-29-2006 07:58 PM

I've known two good Spine/DA's and they both really struggle on end it is normally what cuases their death. So yeah there are serious end issues with spine/da, but they're both amazing AoE killers

"Well, they found my diary today.
They were appropriately appalled
at the discovery of the eight victims
They're now putting it all together.
Women wrapped in silk
with one leg missing
Eight legs, one body, silk,
spider, brilliant!"

Psydock · 05-29-2006 07:59 PM

Bye Bye endurance. You could manage with slotting all your toggles with end reduces and attacks with end reduce but you'll still be out of end a lot.

GunNut_EU · 05-29-2006 08:04 PM

:S Really wanted to make it as well, Unless I can find a perma kin person who's on when I am I've got no other option but to go for /regen again.

Cynic · 05-29-2006 08:06 PM

Spine/Dark survives if it can kill the foes before it runs out of end, it can do this fairly often, but does cause downtime. A kin friend would really help

"Well, they found my diary today.
They were appropriately appalled
at the discovery of the eight victims
They're now putting it all together.
Women wrapped in silk
with one leg missing
Eight legs, one body, silk,
spider, brilliant!"

GunNut_EU · 05-29-2006 08:08 PM

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Spine/Dark survives if it can kill the foes before it runs out of end, it can do this fairly often, but does cause downtime. A kin friend would really help

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I've got 2+ comps and another accout but the problem will be leveling them both with others and them not complaing :S

Psydock · 05-29-2006 08:09 PM

try sr or invulnur if you dont wanna go regen.

GunNut_EU · 05-29-2006 08:10 PM

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try sr or invulnur if you dont wanna go regen.

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:S don't like Invuln and don't really like +DEF and no +Res :S

Cynic · 05-29-2006 08:14 PM

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Spine/Dark survives if it can kill the foes before it runs out of end, it can do this fairly often, but does cause downtime. A kin friend would really help

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I've got 2+ comps and another accout but the problem will be leveling them both with others and them not complaing :S

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You're chucking speed boosts out for them and they're complaining? Cant see that happening

"Well, they found my diary today.
They were appropriately appalled
at the discovery of the eight victims
They're now putting it all together.
Women wrapped in silk
with one leg missing
Eight legs, one body, silk,
spider, brilliant!"

GunNut_EU · 05-29-2006 08:16 PM

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Spine/Dark survives if it can kill the foes before it runs out of end, it can do this fairly often, but does cause downtime. A kin friend would really help

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I've got 2+ comps and another accout but the problem will be leveling them both with others and them not complaing :S

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You're chucking speed boosts out for them and they're complaining? Cant see that happening

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True will have to wait for the comp right next to me to be repaired, don't want to move accros the room.

Cynic · 05-29-2006 08:19 PM

If I had a decent connection I'd probably give it a go on my one PC, one of those things you'd just want to try (I have run two instances of the game before easily, until the servers got busier and connection made me lag)

"Well, they found my diary today.
They were appropriately appalled
at the discovery of the eight victims
They're now putting it all together.
Women wrapped in silk
with one leg missing
Eight legs, one body, silk,
spider, brilliant!"

GunNut_EU · 05-29-2006 08:24 PM

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If I had a decent connection I'd probably give it a go on my one PC, one of those things you'd just want to try (I have run two instances of the game before easily, until the servers got busier and connection made me lag)

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Hmmm normally does not work like that beacuse one will lose conn for not begin active.

Cynic · 05-29-2006 08:27 PM

I didn't let it be inactive I used Alt tab a bit (I was doing a hiest with my MM, and ghosting a mission with my brute)

"Well, they found my diary today.
They were appropriately appalled
at the discovery of the eight victims
They're now putting it all together.
Women wrapped in silk
with one leg missing
Eight legs, one body, silk,
spider, brilliant!"

GunNut_EU · 05-29-2006 08:30 PM

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I didn't let it be inactive I used Alt tab a bit (I was doing a hiest with my MM, and ghosting a mission with my brute)

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Nice Could always try it but normally lag till in mission...

Cynic · 05-29-2006 08:31 PM

I have no graphics or ram lag from two instances, but my dial up cant hack it really, getting to missions can be a real pain.

"Well, they found my diary today.
They were appropriately appalled
at the discovery of the eight victims
They're now putting it all together.
Women wrapped in silk
with one leg missing
Eight legs, one body, silk,
spider, brilliant!"

GunNut_EU · 05-29-2006 08:45 PM

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I have no graphics or ram lag from two instances, but my dial up cant hack it really, getting to missions can be a real pain.

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:S Mine can't be Net lag on 10mbit :S

SpaceDog_EU · 05-29-2006 09:58 PM

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Spines/Dark even possible with out someone to keep your end up!? ... got a Dark Meele/Regen don't really want another /Regen.

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It is possible - just takes some very careful slotting - end reds in attacks and shields.

On my spines/da I run all the shields + COF and OG together with Acrobatics, Tough and Combat Jump.

Carrying a tray full of blues and will see you through some difficult times when comprehensive slotting hasn't been fully achieved.

But when its all ready to rock, its all good

Certainly Speed Boost will help out, but rest assured you won't be the only one asking for it or wanting RA either.

Ahura_EU · 05-31-2006 01:13 PM

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Spines/Dark even possible with out someone to keep your end up!? ... got a Dark Meele/Regen don't really want another /Regen.

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It is possible - just takes some very careful slotting - end reds in attacks and shields.

On my spines/da I run all the shields + COF and OG together with Acrobatics, Tough and Combat Jump.

Carrying a tray full of blues and will see you through some difficult times when comprehensive slotting hasn't been fully achieved.

But when its all ready to rock, its all good

Certainly Speed Boost will help out, but rest assured you won't be the only one asking for it or wanting RA either.

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Would you mind posting your build?

I started a spines / DA - he is only level 8, I wanted to make him for P vs E purposes. I also would like to take fly as I find SJ tiring.

Thanks

SpaceDog_EU · 06-01-2006 10:43 AM

Here's a snapshot of what I've done - soz don't have the time to make a copy on hero planner. I find it works very well in regards to end use, but as I said - will take comprehensive slotting and many levels.

Just a screen Shot of the Enhancement Screen * Sorry if it s a bit fuzzy

Just a word on choice of travel power - be aware that Dark Armour has no knockdown protection and it can be not only a pain, but potentially dangerous to go without it, espcially when your on your back and in the red..

Hover and scrapping may be a bit slow and for me, would slow down your damage output if you decided to use hover as your knockdown protection. So - thats why I choose Combat Jump > Super Jump > Acrobatics.

Super_Shiny · 06-01-2006 12:59 PM

try speak to WFA he has a lvl 30 ish spines/dark (dark spines)

SpaceDog_EU · 06-01-2006 04:59 PM

This is an approximation of my build - I got Buildup earlier and acrobatics much later.

b]---------------------------------------------
[/b]Exported from Ver: 1.7.6.0 of the CoH_CoV Character Builder
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Name:
Level: 50
Archetype: Scrapper
Primary: Spines
Secondary: Dark Armor
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01) --> Lunge==> Dmg(1)Dmg(3)Dmg(9)Acc(11)EndRdx(37)EndRdx(40)
01) --> Dark Embrace==> DmgRes(1)DmgRes(3)DmgRes(15)EndRdx(21)
02) --> Spine Burst==> Dmg(2)Dmg(5)Dmg(9)Acc(17)EndRdx(37)EndRdx(45)
04) --> Death Shroud==> Dmg(4)Dmg(5)Dmg(13)Acc(19)EndRdx(29)EndRdx(45)
06) --> Murky Cloud==> DmgRes(6)DmgRes(7)DmgRes(7)EndRdx(15)
08) --> Combat Jumping==> DefBuf(8)
10) --> Impale==> Dmg(10)Dmg(11)Dmg(13)Acc(31)EndRdx(34)EndRdx(42)
12) --> Swift==> Run(12)
14) --> Super Jump==> Jump(14)
16) --> Dark Regeneration==> Rechg(16)Acc(17)EndRdx(43)EndRdx(43)EndRdx(43)
18) --> Obsidian Shield==> DmgRes(18)DmgRes(19)DmgRes(21)EndRdx(34)
20) --> Health==> Heal(20)
22) --> Stamina==> EndMod(22)EndMod(23)EndMod(23)EndMod(40)
24) --> Quills==> Dmg(24)Dmg(25)Dmg(25)Acc(27)EndRdx(27)
26) --> Acrobatics==> EndRdx(26)EndRdx(39)
28) --> Ripper==> Dmg(28)Dmg(29)Dmg(31)Acc(31)EndRdx(34)EndRdx(45)
30) --> Boxing==> Empty(30)
32) --> Tough==> DmgRes(32)DmgRes(33)DmgRes(33)EndRdx(33)
35) --> Throw Spines==> Dmg(35)Dmg(36)Dmg(36)Acc(36)EndRdx(37)EndRdx(50)
38) --> Cloak Of Darkness==> EndRdx(38)EndRdx(39)DefBuf(39)EndRdx(40)DefBuf(50)
41) --> Conserve Power==> Rechg(41)EndRdx(42)Rechg(42)
44) --> Cloak Of Fear==> EndRdx(44)EndRdx(46)Acc(46)Acc(46)TH_DeBuf(48)
47) --> Build Up==> Rechg(47)Rechg(48)Rechg(48)
49) --> Oppressive Gloom==> Acc(49)Acc(50)
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01) --> Sprint==> Empty(1)
01) --> Brawl==> Empty(1)
01) --> Critical Hit==> Empty(1)
02) --> Rest==> Empty(2)
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As youy can see, endreds are a part of life - but its all about taste and how your playstyle matches your endurance usage. For example, my tactic is to run in milliseconds after a tank does and mow everything down fast, frantic and furious.

A more lesiurely approach might not cost as much end and you can maybe lose some in the attacks.

Have fun.

Now off to my taskforce

Shift · 06-01-2006 05:09 PM

only 1 acc and no FA. i guess thats viable for end in pve.

Too bad i want my DM/DA to PvP too, ill try to make a screenshto of his slotting.

edit: also, i run in BEFORE the tank does Dark Regen ftw :P

@Shift
Shift 50 DM/DA Scrapper ][ TTL 50 Kat/Reg Scrapper ][ Shabriel 50 Peacebringer ][ Ion Shift 46 Rad/Rad Corruptor ][ Thermal Shift 35 Fire/Fire Blaster
"A Scrapper is a lot like a chainsaw. Somewhat hard to handle, incredibly dangerous, and by far the most fun when wielded by the slightly insane."

Cynic · 06-01-2006 05:20 PM

Dark Regen, the only sefl heal worth praising

"Well, they found my diary today.
They were appropriately appalled
at the discovery of the eight victims
They're now putting it all together.
Women wrapped in silk
with one leg missing
Eight legs, one body, silk,
spider, brilliant!"

Shift · 06-01-2006 05:50 PM

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Dark Regen, the only sefl heal worth praising

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thank god it also got the end cut with ED. 50 end unslotted was just what a DA needed when he was in trouble :/

@Shift
Shift 50 DM/DA Scrapper ][ TTL 50 Kat/Reg Scrapper ][ Shabriel 50 Peacebringer ][ Ion Shift 46 Rad/Rad Corruptor ][ Thermal Shift 35 Fire/Fire Blaster
"A Scrapper is a lot like a chainsaw. Somewhat hard to handle, incredibly dangerous, and by far the most fun when wielded by the slightly insane."

Cynic · 06-01-2006 05:54 PM

I've only had it since march, for me it's always been good has also taken down 3 AV's (been the final blow) I wont mention how good fury actually makes it here, as this is the wrong place

"Well, they found my diary today.
They were appropriately appalled
at the discovery of the eight victims
They're now putting it all together.
Women wrapped in silk
with one leg missing
Eight legs, one body, silk,
spider, brilliant!"